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CAA Flagship wrote:There are a lot of ingredients in this Turkey-Kurd soup. And when you stack up the arguments for each side of Trump's order, I'm not so sure he didn't make the right move.

Aho Old Guy wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: Yours too, Tink.

At least __ until Jan, 2021 ...

"My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over ... Our Constitution works; our great Republic is a government of laws and not of men."
- Gerald Ford

(The May 20, 2015 series finale of the Late Show with David Letterman was introduced by archival footage of Ford's speech, and prerecorded cameos of former Presidents George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and then-incumbent Barack Obama all saying, "our long national nightmare is over.")

CID1990 wrote:
This is what being World Police gets us, among other things

The binary choice is -

1) boots on the ground expending blood and treasure forever

2) abandon the Kurds to their fate

It is painfully obvious that #2 was inevitable.

Oh, look!
--- Just another hypocritical polemic abdicating responsibility for a disaster of their own creation.

You are no better than Trump. You are a wannabe Project for the New American Century (PNAC) hack, turning tail, running away, with hollow platitudes and false-flag misdirection.

What’s next for you? Saudi boot-licking in a PNAC proxy war? Been there – doing that.

America IS global law enforcement. Don’t be a coward. Take some dang responsibility for once in your life. That’s what patriots do …

CID1990 wrote:
You obviously don’t follow me much. I suggest some catch-up remedial reading. Ask Jelly how to do it - he’s misread every post I’ve ever made about 5 times. Which is what you’ve done here.

I’m pointing out that the sudden sympathy for the Kurds (and now retroactively for the Montagnards!) is basically a feckless cunt litmus test

Let’s stop pretending we give a damn about the Kurds and admit that we just don’t like who’s abandoning them

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93henfan wrote:Reuters reporting that Turkey has shelled the ISIS detention facility, possibly allowing a mass breakout of ISIS prisoners: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syri ... SKBN1WP15C

BDKJMU wrote:

93henfan wrote:Reuters reporting that Turkey has shelled the ISIS detention facility, possibly allowing a mass breakout of ISIS prisoners: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syri ... SKBN1WP15C

We should have obliterated it with a few cruise missiles beforehand. ISIS fighters dead, problem solved.

kalm wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: We should have obliterated it with a few cruise missiles beforehand. ISIS fighters dead, problem solved.

With the Kurdish guards and staff still in it?

kalm wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: We should have obliterated it with a few cruise missiles beforehand. ISIS fighters dead, problem solved.

With the Kurdish guards and staff still in it?

kalm wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: We should have obliterated it with a few cruise missiles beforehand. ISIS fighters dead, problem solved.

With the Kurdish guards and staff still in it?

BDKJMU wrote:

93henfan wrote:Reuters reporting that Turkey has shelled the ISIS detention facility, possibly allowing a mass breakout of ISIS prisoners: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syri ... SKBN1WP15C

We should have obliterated it with a few cruise missiles beforehand. ISIS fighters dead, problem solved.

UNI88 wrote:This is a crappy situation and Trump did not handle it well.

On one hand, the Kurds are one of the few groups in the ME that have earned a level of loyalty and support.

On the other, Western nations have been seriously mucking around in the ME since WWI and we've fvcked it up. What would the world look like if the West had allowed self-determination and not created artificial boundaries. We can't undo the past but doing the same thing over and over isn't going to change the paradigm. We might be better off getting out and letting the region determine its own future.

One of the things that I most appreciate about Trump's approach is that he is bucking the status quo and IMO that's a good thing.

Skjellyfetti wrote:He has no plans or desire to get us out of the Middle East.

Chizzang wrote:

SDHornet wrote:
I love the irony of abortionists decrying the evils and horrors of lost life caused by warfare. It makes me chuckle inside.

Interesting to note:
That ^ overt hypocrisy observation seems to only cut one way
Why are so many pro-lifers not at all pro life in matters such as these (war and whatnot)



we've had that same conversation on this forum - and it gets no traction from the Pro lifers

BDKJMU wrote:

93henfan wrote:
The guy is insane.

I saw a reporter ask him, "What about the ISIS prisoners held in Syria?"

He said, "they'll be escaping to Europe; that's where they want to go".

Whowhat?

He literally made no plan.

I don't have full-blown TDS, but I will thoroughly enjoy his downfall, especially after the fucker put me out of work without pay for over a month. Fuck him.

After all was said and done, didn't you get paid for that month?

Chizzang wrote:Trump sends troops to protect his hotels in Saudi Arabia
"Remember when Donald Trump tweeted that he was 'trying to end the endless wars?' That was yesterday."

CID1990 wrote:Before the circle jerk in here gets any bigger, can we have a show of hands?

Does anybody here agree with Trump sending troops to Saudi Arabia?

CID1990 wrote:Before the circle jerk in here gets any bigger, can we have a show of hands?

Does anybody here agree with Trump sending troops to Saudi Arabia?

Ivytalk wrote:

CID1990 wrote:Before the circle jerk in here gets any bigger, can we have a show of hands?

Does anybody here agree with Trump sending troops to Saudi Arabia?

How many hotels does he have there?

kalm wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: How many hotels does he have there?

Many?

Very many?

Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, wants more than control over a wide swath of Syria along his country’s border. He says he wants the Bomb.

In the weeks leading up to his order to launch the military across the border to clear Kurdish areas, Mr. Erdogan made no secret of his larger ambition. “Some countries have missiles with nuclear warheads,” he told a meeting of his governing party in September. But the West insists “we can’t have them,” he said. “This, I cannot accept.”

With Turkey now in open confrontation with its NATO allies, having gambled and won a bet that it could conduct a military incursion into Syria and get away with it, Mr. Erdogan’s threat takes on new meaning. If the United States could not prevent the Turkish leader from routing its Kurdish allies, how can it stop him from building a nuclear weapon or following Iran in gathering the technology to do so?

It was not the first time Mr. Erdogan has spoken about breaking free of the restrictions on countries that have signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, and no one is quite sure of his true intentions. The Turkish autocrat is a master of keeping allies and adversaries off balance, as President Trump discovered in the past two weeks.
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Ivytalk wrote:

kalm wrote:
Many?

Very many?

JSO’s favorite source, PolitiFact, says that Trump has no hotels or towers in KSA, but the Saudis have given him plenty of hotel and other business elsewhere.

The group planned to hold the event after Trump's recent decision to remove U.S. troops from the northeastern border of Syria. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan followed Trump's announcement by initiating a military offensive into Syria to fight the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), a group Erdoğan believes to be an enemy of Turkey.

kalm wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: We should have obliterated it with a few cruise missiles beforehand. ISIS fighters dead, problem solved.

With the Kurdish guards and staff still in it?