Good and Bad news from Exit Polling

[Winterborn]

* lying - the rest of your post is irrelevant due to a typo. Please try to do better next time.

People who mispell words disgust me.

Same here.

[JohnStOnge]

I stopped reading right there..

I believe you don't trust anything that doesn't support your views or your political ideology.

That, unfortunately, is how it is with the majority of conservatives nowadays. It's why they are so divorced from the truth in so many areas of inquiry.

I assure you, political professionals are paying a lot of attention to what the exit polling indicates.

There is absolutely no doubt that there is an association between being more educated and being more likely to vote Democrat. And it's a lot stronger than it was 20 years ago when I first started really following the matter. If only people with at least a bachelor's degree could vote, Republicans would have zero shot of winning the Presidency. I guarantee you that political professionals know that.

[CAA Flagship]

* lying - the rest of your post is irrelevant due to a typo. Please try to do better next time.

People who mispell words disgust me.

mi spell, su spell

[houndawg]

I believe you don't trust anything that doesn't support your views or your political ideology.

That, unfortunately, is how it is with the majority of conservatives nowadays. It's why they are so divorced from the truth in so many areas of inquiry.

I assure you, political professionals are paying a lot of attention to what the exit polling indicates.

There is absolutely no doubt that there is an association between being more educated and being more likely to vote Democrat. And it's a lot stronger than it was 20 years ago when I first started really following the matter. If only people with at least a bachelor's degree could vote, Republicans would have zero shot of winning the Presidency. I guarantee you that political professionals know that.

About the same amount of time we've been starving education to fund the never-ending wars.

[89Hen]

Houndy, you are a necroposter of Dal's proportion. Good God man.

[CAA Flagship]

People who mispell words disgust me.

mi spell, su spell

[UNI88]

Houndy, you are a necroposter of Dal's proportion. Good God man.

He just came down and needed to pass some time before his next trip.

[AZGrizFan]

I believe you don't trust anything that doesn't support your views or your political ideology.

That, unfortunately, is how it is with the majority of conservatives nowadays. It's why they are so divorced from the truth in so many areas of inquiry.

I assure you, political professionals are paying a lot of attention to what the exit polling indicates.

There is absolutely no doubt that there is an association between being more educated and being more likely to vote Democrat. And it's a lot stronger than it was 20 years ago when I first started really following the matter. If only people with at least a bachelor's degree could vote, Republicans would have zero shot of winning the Presidency. I guarantee you that political professionals know that.

And if only landowners could vote, Democrats would have zero chance of winning the presidency. So there.

[Winterborn]

That, unfortunately, is how it is with the majority of conservatives nowadays. It's why they are so divorced from the truth in so many areas of inquiry.

I assure you, political professionals are paying a lot of attention to what the exit polling indicates.

There is absolutely no doubt that there is an association between being more educated and being more likely to vote Democrat. And it's a lot stronger than it was 20 years ago when I first started really following the matter. If only people with at least a bachelor's degree could vote, Republicans would have zero shot of winning the Presidency. I guarantee you that political professionals know that.

And if only landowners could vote, Democrats would have zero chance of winning the presidency. So there.

Or no voting if receiving any government assistance.

[JohnStOnge]

That, unfortunately, is how it is with the majority of conservatives nowadays. It's why they are so divorced from the truth in so many areas of inquiry.

I assure you, political professionals are paying a lot of attention to what the exit polling indicates.

There is absolutely no doubt that there is an association between being more educated and being more likely to vote Democrat. And it's a lot stronger than it was 20 years ago when I first started really following the matter. If only people with at least a bachelor's degree could vote, Republicans would have zero shot of winning the Presidency. I guarantee you that political professionals know that.

And if only landowners could vote, Democrats would have zero chance of winning the presidency. So there.

That's possible but I don't know if it is a sure thing. People with at least a bachelor's degree, on average, are more affluent than those without that. I'm guessing they have a higher home ownership rate than people without degrees do. If "landowner" includes people that own their own houses with their yards no matter how small they are, I don't know how the numbers would turn out.

Went ahead and did a Google and found this: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-h ... %2067.3%25.

It'd be interesting to see exit polling on that.

In any case, what we're talking about here is the fact that being more informed (educated) is associated with being more likely to vote Democrat. It is what it is.

[JohnStOnge]

And if only landowners could vote, Democrats would have zero chance of winning the presidency. So there.

Or no voting if receiving any government assistance.

Everybody receives government assistance.

[BDKJMU]

That, unfortunately, is how it is with the majority of conservatives nowadays. It's why they are so divorced from the truth in so many areas of inquiry.

I assure you, political professionals are paying a lot of attention to what the exit polling indicates.

There is absolutely no doubt that there is an association between being more educated and being more likely to vote Democrat. And it's a lot stronger than it was 20 years ago when I first started really following the matter. If only people with at least a bachelor's degree could vote, Republicans would have zero shot of winning the Presidency. I guarantee you that political professionals know that.

About the same amount of time we've been starving education to fund the never-ending wars.

Yeah, the US has been starving education so much that as if 2016 its 5th out of 3 doz+ OECD countries in per pupil spending.
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_cmd.pdf

[Winterborn]

Or no voting if receiving any government assistance.

Everybody receives government assistance.

You have some numbers to back that up?

[Ibanez]

About the same amount of time we've been starving education to fund the never-ending wars.

Yeah, the US has been starving education so much that as if 2016 its 5th out of 3 doz+ OECD countries in per pupil spending.
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_cmd.pdf

Where are we in relation to other nations?

The most recent PISA results, from 2015, placed the U.S. an unimpressive 38th out of 71 countries in math and 24th in science. Among the 35 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which sponsors the PISA initiative, the U.S. ranked 30th in math and 19th in science.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... h-science/

In terms of the quality of the educational system, the average student scored 488 in reading literacy, maths and science in the OECD's Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), slightly higher than the OECD average of 486. On average in the United States, girls outperformed boys by 1 points, slightly less than the average OECD gap of 2 points.

http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/coun ... ed-states/

We're 2pts above avg.

[Ibanez]

Or no voting if receiving any government assistance.

Everybody receives government assistance.

What are we defining as "assistance"? Welfare? Social Security and Medicare can be argued as gov't assistance. What about farmers who get paid NOT to farm.

Or are we just talking about the poor on food stamps and welfare who are living in the projects?

[UNI88]

Everybody receives government assistance.

What are we defining as "assistance"? Welfare? Social Security and Medicare can be argued as gov't assistance. What about farmers who get paid NOT to farm.

Or are we just talking about the poor on food stamps and welfare who are living in the projects?

I think JSO is spreading the description much further than that ... probably along the lines of the government maintains the roads, you drive on the roads, you are receiving government assistance.

[AZGrizFan]

Everybody receives government assistance.

What are we defining as "assistance"? Welfare? Social Security and Medicare can be argued as gov't assistance. What about farmers who get paid NOT to farm.

Or are we just talking about the poor on food stamps and welfare who are living in the projects?

Nothing that’s paid for with tax dollars equates to assistance. If you do not work, but receive money, THAT is assistance. If you’re an employed individual who pays NET federal income tax, everything you receive back is in the form of a benefit paid for by your tax dollars. If you get back every dollar you pay in, everything you get is assistance from someone ELSE, paid for by THEIR tax dollars. NONE of it is “government” assistance, even though it’s funneled THROUGH the government, very inefficiently, I might add.

[BDKJMU]

Yeah, the US has been starving education so much that as if 2016 its 5th out of 3 doz+ OECD countries in per pupil spending.
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_cmd.pdf

Where are we in relation to other nations?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... h-science/

In terms of the quality of the educational system, the average student scored 488 in reading literacy, maths and science in the OECD's Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), slightly higher than the OECD average of 486. On average in the United States, girls outperformed boys by 1 points, slightly less than the average OECD gap of 2 points.

http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/coun ... ed-states/

We're 2pts above avg.

Sure our bang for our buck is terrible. But that wasn’t the point. Densedawg’s claim that we’re “starving education” is 100% false. Our secondary public educational system overall nationwide might be avg (at best), but the reason its not better is not because of lack of spending..

[houndawg]

What are we defining as "assistance"? Welfare? Social Security and Medicare can be argued as gov't assistance. What about farmers who get paid NOT to farm.

Or are we just talking about the poor on food stamps and welfare who are living in the projects?

Nothing that’s paid for with tax dollars equates to assistance. If you do not work, but receive money, THAT is assistance. If you’re an employed individual who pays NET federal income tax, everything you receive back is in the form of a benefit paid for by your tax dollars. If you get back every dollar you pay in, everything you get is assistance from someone ELSE, paid for by THEIR tax dollars. NONE of it is “government” assistance, even though it’s funneled THROUGH the government, very inefficiently, I might add.

Wrong, Poindexter, social security is not government assistance. . And if Joe Biden want to impress me he needs to do something about the 3 trillion dollars he and his thieving friends have been spending for decades now. And while they're at it they had better start paying serious attention to Switzerland's experiment with UBI because eventually thats what's going to save them when the pitchfork mob wants their money back.

[houndawg]

People who mispell words disgust me.

mi spell, su spell

nice play

[Ibanez]

Where are we in relation to other nations?


https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... h-science/




http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/coun ... ed-states/

We're 2pts above avg.

Sure our bang for our buck is terrible. But that wasn’t the point. Densedawg’s claim that we’re “starving education” is 100% false. Our secondary public educational system overall nationwide might be avg (at best), but the reason its not better is not because of lack of spending..

I was adding something new to the conversation, BDK. Yeah we spend a good deal on students but what do we have to show for our money?

[UNI88]

Nothing that’s paid for with tax dollars equates to assistance. If you do not work, but receive money, THAT is assistance. If you’re an employed individual who pays NET federal income tax, everything you receive back is in the form of a benefit paid for by your tax dollars. If you get back every dollar you pay in, everything you get is assistance from someone ELSE, paid for by THEIR tax dollars. NONE of it is “government” assistance, even though it’s funneled THROUGH the government, very inefficiently, I might add.

Wrong, Poindexter, social security is not government assistance. . And if Joe Biden want to impress me he needs to do something about the 3 trillion dollars he and his thieving friends have been spending for decades now. And while they're at it they had better start paying serious attention to Switzerland's experiment with UBI because eventually thats what's going to save them when the pitchfork mob wants their money back.

Are you saying that social security is 100% not government assistance? For that to be true, social security payouts would vary based on how much interest the money made while the government had it. If payouts are set (i.e. defined benefits) then it's likely that the government is subsidizing those payouts. The difference between what an individual pays in and how much interest that money makes vs. what is paid out is assistance.

[AZGrizFan]

Nothing that’s paid for with tax dollars equates to assistance. If you do not work, but receive money, THAT is assistance. If you’re an employed individual who pays NET federal income tax, everything you receive back is in the form of a benefit paid for by your tax dollars. If you get back every dollar you pay in, everything you get is assistance from someone ELSE, paid for by THEIR tax dollars. NONE of it is “government” assistance, even though it’s funneled THROUGH the government, very inefficiently, I might add.

Wrong, Poindexter, social security is not government assistance. . And if Joe Biden want to impress me he needs to do something about the 3 trillion dollars he and his thieving friends have been spending for decades now. And while they're at it they had better start paying serious attention to Switzerland's experiment with UBI because eventually thats what's going to save them when the pitchfork mob wants their money back.

Try and keep up, dipshit. If you do not work (but are of working age), anything you receive is assistance. If you receive SS, you’re getting money back that you paid in. That is not assistance.

[AZGrizFan]

Wrong, Poindexter, social security is not government assistance. . And if Joe Biden want to impress me he needs to do something about the 3 trillion dollars he and his thieving friends have been spending for decades now. And while they're at it they had better start paying serious attention to Switzerland's experiment with UBI because eventually thats what's going to save them when the pitchfork mob wants their money back.

Are you saying that social security is 100% not government assistance? For that to be true, social security payouts would vary based on how much interest the money made while the government had it. If payouts are set (i.e. defined benefits) then it's likely that the government is subsidizing those payouts. The difference between what an individual pays in and how much interest that money makes vs. what is paid out is assistance.

I disagree. If I was allowed to keep that money and invest it myself, I’d make a shitload more interest than the government doles out in dribs and drabs. The government takes YOUR money, gives it back to you piecemeal, and that’s somehow “assistance” from the government?

[UNI88]

Are you saying that social security is 100% not government assistance? For that to be true, social security payouts would vary based on how much interest the money made while the government had it. If payouts are set (i.e. defined benefits) then it's likely that the government is subsidizing those payouts. The difference between what an individual pays in and how much interest that money makes vs. what is paid out is assistance.

I disagree. If I was allowed to keep that money and invest it myself, I’d make a shitload more interest than the government doles out in dribs and drabs. The government takes YOUR money, gives it back to you piecemeal, and that’s somehow “assistance” from the government?

We're both right. Yes you or I would make more money if we were allowed to keep and invest what we pay into SS. But I don't think the government gets enough in premium and interest to equal what they pay out. The difference is government assistance. SS is more like a union negotiated defined benefit plan and the employer/government underwrites the risk.