Right wing Radio host waterboarded, admits it's torture

[CID1990]

SMFH at the conks and Joltin Joes of the world: violent killers, no better than and more dangerous than terrorists.

D1B we don't take you seriously when you pretend to be indignant at torture. We all know you like to have your balls pinched with hot tongs by transvestites.

[D1B]

SMFH at the conks and Joltin Joes of the world: violent killers, no better than and more dangerous than terrorists.

D1B we don't take you seriously when you pretend to be indignant at torture. We all know you like to have your balls pinched with hot tongs by transvestites.

If I like it it aint torture.

I certainly understand the counterpoints (as well as the utter hypocrisy and moral relativism of people like Joltin Joe) but the torture issue is a joke. We shouldn't be doing it and more important, we should be addressing the underlying causes of the terrorist attacks: our dependence on Middle East oil. As if torture will solve all our problems.

Typical conks = taking the easy, but in the long run - most destructive way out.

[AZGrizFan]

SMFH at the conks and Joltin Joes of the world: violent killers, no better than and more dangerous than terrorists.

Quick question: How many people have the conks (and Joltin' Joe in particular, since you chose to name him by name) beheaded in their lives?
Nothin' like DRAMA, D. You don't agree with us....we get that. We REALLY get that....but comparing us to terrorists is just hyperbole at the highest levels.

You used to be better than that. What happened?

[D1B]

SMFH at the conks and Joltin Joes of the world: violent killers, no better than and more dangerous than terrorists.

Quick question: How many people have the conks (and Joltin' Joe in particular, since you chose to name him by name) beheaded in their lives?
Nothin' like DRAMA, D. You don't agree with us....we get that. We REALLY get that....but comparing us to terrorists is just hyperbole at the highest levels.

You used to be better than that. What happened?

Z, you kill people through your support of atrocities committed in the Middle East by the United States during the Bush Administration. An administration who's actions you blindly supported, and continue to support to this day, even with a glaring record of failure.

Z, killers like you need to be held accountable for your political beliefs, which can, and in your case - DO kill people.

Joe does the same through his blind support of the Catholic Church. He, like you in Iraq and Afghanistan, bears partial responsibility for the overpopulation of Africa and the resulting genocides and wars.




"You see Greg, beliefs can kill people. Now drop your pants"

[JoltinJoe]

Not quite the quote I would expect from Nietzsche. Are you sure he said it? I googled it, and saw this quote attributed to him, but I also saw this quote, which sounds more like him: “Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured?”

Anyway, quoting Nietzsche isn't going to win over a lot of people to your viewpoint. I thought quoting Nietzsche went out after the Third Reich.

Why?

Sorry. I'd have to use big words to explain.

[JoltinJoe]

Quick question: How many people have the conks (and Joltin' Joe in particular, since you chose to name him by name) beheaded in their lives?
Nothin' like DRAMA, D. You don't agree with us....we get that. We REALLY get that....but comparing us to terrorists is just hyperbole at the highest levels.

You used to be better than that. What happened?

Z, you kill people through your support of atrocities committed in the Middle East by the United States during the Bush Administration. An administration who's actions you blindly supported, and continue to support to this day, even with a glaring record of failure.

Z, killers like you need to be held accountable for your political beliefs, which can, and in your case - DO kill people.

Joe does the same through his blind support of the Catholic Church. He, like you in Iraq and Afghanistan, bears partial responsibility for the overpopulation of Africa and the resulting genocides and wars.




"You see Greg, beliefs can kill people. Now drop your pants"

[D1B]

Why?

Sorry. I'd have to use big words to explain.

Another classic Joltin Joe dodge.

[JoltinJoe]

Sorry. I'd have to use big words to explain.

Another classic Joltin Joe dodge.

Maybe someday you and Hitler can chat about your mutual admiration of Nietzsche.

[D1B]

Another classic Joltin Joe dodge.

Maybe someday you and Hitler can chat about your mutual admiration of Nietzsche.

Yeah, right after I kick Pope Pius in the balls for allowing the mass extermination of jews to happen, right under his nose.

[D1B]

Another classic Joltin Joe dodge.

Maybe someday you and Hitler can chat about your mutual admiration of Nietzsche.

Joe, did Hitler admire Nietzsche?

[Grizalltheway]

Another classic Joltin Joe dodge.

Maybe someday you and Hitler can chat about your mutual admiration of Nietzsche.

Hitler also admired Wagner, does that mean his music wasn't good?

[JoltinJoe]

Maybe someday you and Hitler can chat about your mutual admiration of Nietzsche.

Yeah, right after I kick Pope Pius in the balls for allowing the mass extermination of jews to happen, right under his nose.

"Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks….
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Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly."
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- Albert Einstein, Time magazine, 23rd December, 1940 p. 38

[JoltinJoe]

Maybe someday you and Hitler can chat about your mutual admiration of Nietzsche.

Hitler also admired Wagner, does that mean his music wasn't good?

DId he frequently quote Wagner to justify the policies of the Third Reich?

[Grizalltheway]

Hitler also admired Wagner, does that mean his music wasn't good?

DId he frequently quote Wagner to justify the policies of the Third Reich?

From wikipedia (because I know you love it so much )

Adolf Hitler was an admirer of Wagner's music and anti-Jewish sentiments and saw in Wagner's operas an embodiment of his own vision of the German nation. There continues to be debate about the extent to which Wagner's views might have influenced Nazi thinking. As with the works of Nietzsche, the Nazis used those parts of Wagner's thought that were useful for propaganda and ignored or suppressed the rest.

[D1B]

Maybe someday you and Hitler can chat about your mutual admiration of Nietzsche.

Hitler also admired Wagner, does that mean his music wasn't good?

Hitler greatly admired Wagner while Nietzsche broke a close friendship with him and was a bitter rival to his death. One of many glaring differences between the two.

Personally, I'm not aware of a close connection between Nietzsche's philosophy and Hitler. Hitler was not very sophisticated and was a christian until his death. The Third Reich has much more to do with christianity than Nietzche. His view on the race come from two sources (both mentioned in Mein Kampf)

1. The bible and catholic anti=semitism

2. Gobeneux writings on the superiority of the aryan race

Faith and christianity mentioned in Mein Kampf = Hundreds of times
Nietzsche mentioned in Mein Kampf = 0


I think Joe is talkin out his ass again.

[D1B]

Hitler also admired Wagner, does that mean his music wasn't good?

DId he frequently quote Wagner to justify the policies of the Third Reich?

Did he Joe? Let's see em.

[D1B]

Yeah, right after I kick Pope Pius in the balls for allowing the mass extermination of jews to happen, right under his nose.

"Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks….
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Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly."
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- Albert Einstein, Time magazine, 23rd December, 1940 p. 38

Joe, do you really want to get into this? The overwhelming consencus is the pope did not do enough. It is a fact that many prominent Jews praised the church for saving a few thousand people when the Hitler was on his knees, and dismissing the fact that 11 million were already killed on their watch, in order to get Vatica approval for the creation Jewish state.

Pope Pius allowed the mass extermination of millions of people to happen right on thier doorstep. Yet another shameful period of cowardess and inaction by the church.

[JoltinJoe]

DId he frequently quote Wagner to justify the policies of the Third Reich?

From wikipedia (because I know you love it so much )

Adolf Hitler was an admirer of Wagner's music and anti-Jewish sentiments and saw in Wagner's operas an embodiment of his own vision of the German nation. There continues to be debate about the extent to which Wagner's views might have influenced Nazi thinking. As with the works of Nietzsche, the Nazis used those parts of Wagner's thought that were useful for propaganda and ignored or suppressed the rest.

There is a difference between and man's music and his thought. Wagner wrote sublime music, even though his personal thoughts were pretty reprehensible.

As for the observation that the Nazis used from Nietzsche those parts of his work "that were useful for propaganda and ignored or suppressed the rest," that claim is true but has to be taken in context. There has been some work underway in the past 30-40 years to try to clean-up Nietzsche's image (thus, the quote which started all this, which I suspected -- and found evidence to support -- is a translation which tries to clean-up a more accurate earlier translation), and trying to disassociate Nietzsche from the Third Reich is one goal of this movement.

Yes, I think the Nazis intentionally and selectively quoted Nietzsche, as they did with virtually everyone and everything they quoted. The main problem with Nietzsche, however, is that he never really expressed an overall consistent viewpoint with his writings, which made his writing particularly fertile ground for Nazi propagandists. While Nietzsche certainly would have been appalled by the way he was employed by the Nazis, there was something logical, in a second generation kind of way, about the manner that the Nazis read and applied Nietzsche.

[JoltinJoe]

Hitler also admired Wagner, does that mean his music wasn't good?

Hitler greatly admired Wagner while Nietzsche broke a close friendship with him and was a bitter rival to his death. One of many glaring differences between the two.

Personally, I'm not aware of a close connection between Nietzsche's philosophy and Hitler. Hitler was not very sophisticated and was a christian until his death. The Third Reich has much more to do with christianity than Nietzche. His view on the race come from two sources (both mentioned in Mein Kampf)

1. The bible and catholic anti=semitism

2. Gobeneux writings on the superiority of the aryan race

Faith and christianity mentioned in Mein Kampf = Hundreds of times
Nietzsche mentioned in Mein Kampf = 0


I think Joe is talkin out his ass again.

What a load. Why don't you google (like you always do) Hiter & Nietzsche. I bet you find a lot of stuff.

[JoltinJoe]

"Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks….
.
Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly."
.
- Albert Einstein, Time magazine, 23rd December, 1940 p. 38

Joe, do you really want to get into this? The overwhelming consencus is the pope did not do enough. It is a fact that many prominent Jews praised the church for saving a few thousand people when the Hitler was on his knees, and dismissing the fact that 11 million were already killed on their watch, in order to get Vatica approval for the creation Jewish state.

Pope Pius allowed the mass extermination of millions of people to happen right on thier doorstep. Yet another shameful period of cowardess and inaction by the church.

How many times do you want to debate this? No matter how many times, you always lose. You are a glutton for punishment.

[D1B]

Joe, do you really want to get into this? The overwhelming consencus is the pope did not do enough. It is a fact that many prominent Jews praised the church for saving a few thousand people when the Hitler was on his knees, and dismissing the fact that 11 million were already killed on their watch, in order to get Vatica approval for the creation Jewish state.

Pope Pius allowed the mass extermination of millions of people to happen right on thier doorstep. Yet another shameful period of cowardess and inaction by the church.

How many times do you want to debate this? No matter how many times, you always lose. You are a glutton for punishment.

Another Classic Joltin Joe dodge.

Come on Joe. Where is this bond between Hitler and Nietzche?

If memory serves Nietzche was not particularly fond of anti semitism and as mentioned earlier (Wagner) was not fond of fanatic german nationalism.

[JoltinJoe]

Personally, I'm not aware of a close connection between Nietzsche's philosophy and Hitler.

If you are not aware of this, you better stay out of this conversation. And you better not bring up the names Nietzsche or Hitler ever again.

This is some pretty basic stuff in a subject matter that you discuss all the time. Nice to have your admission that you are really not qualified to speak on these matters.

I guess you just don't know something unless it is said on one of your atheist websites.

[D1B]

Hitler greatly admired Wagner while Nietzsche broke a close friendship with him and was a bitter rival to his death. One of many glaring differences between the two.

Personally, I'm not aware of a close connection between Nietzsche's philosophy and Hitler. Hitler was not very sophisticated and was a christian until his death. The Third Reich has much more to do with christianity than Nietzche. His view on the race come from two sources (both mentioned in Mein Kampf)

1. The bible and catholic anti=semitism

2. Gobeneux writings on the superiority of the aryan race

Faith and christianity mentioned in Mein Kampf = Hundreds of times
Nietzsche mentioned in Mein Kampf = 0


I think Joe is talkin out his ass again.

What a load. Why don't you google (like you always do) Hiter & Nietzsche. I bet you find a lot of stuff.

I have Joe, but nothing that leads me to believe Hitler really read Nietzche or was influence by his philosophy. I suggest you read Mein Kampf if you want to know more about who really influenced him. Again, Nietzche was never mentioned.

Joe, this line of argument by you betrays a serious lack of knowledge both of Nietzche and Hitler.

Hitler died a catholic.

[D1B]

Personally, I'm not aware of a close connection between Nietzsche's philosophy and Hitler.

If you are not aware of this, you better stay out of this conversation. And you better not bring up the names Nietzsche or Hitler ever again.

This is some pretty basic stuff in a subject matter that you discuss all the time. Nice to have your admission that you are really not qualified to speak on these matters.

I guess you just don't know something unless it is said on one of your atheist websites.

Joe, I've asked you numerous time to come up with a substantial connection and so far you have not. At this point the burden is on you. Perhaps you should refrain from your classic personal attacks and come up with something to back up your claim.

Or better yet, admit that I caught you talking out of your ass, again, and move on.

[D1B]

Hitler also admired Wagner, does that mean his music wasn't good?

DId he frequently quote Wagner to justify the policies of the Third Reich?

We're waiting for the quotes Joe...