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If you are in ANY government position for 15 years you should be fired and jailed.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:23 am
kalm wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 8:28 am This isn’t about MAGA or efficiency. This is about power and control. If you don’t see that, you are blind deserve every accusation of cult membership thrown at you.

Dude. Your thinking got voted out decisively this last election. Integrity and scruples don't apply anymore.
FYP

Satisfaction with trump/musk/vance is dropping. Looks like integrity and scruples might be making a comeback in the next couple of years.

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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:23 am
kalm wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 8:28 am This isn’t about MAGA or efficiency. This is about power and control. If you don’t see that, you are blind deserve every accusation of cult membership thrown at you.

Dude. Your thinking got voted out decisively this last election. Your old thinking doesn't apply anymore.
You seem challenged by the reality of what’s happening. My thinking is you retain key personnel with experience and a track record of serving their country.

You do realize Trumpmusk doesn’t give a slippery shit about you or efficiency, right?

They care about wealth and power. This isn’t arguable.
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kalm wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:03 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:23 am

Dude. Your thinking got voted out decisively this last election. Your old thinking doesn't apply anymore.
You seem challenged by the reality of what’s happening. My thinking is you retain key personnel with experience and a track record of serving their country.

You do realize Trumpmusk doesn’t give a slippery shit about you or efficiency, right?

They care about wealth and power. This isn’t arguable.
they might but again, your kids need someone to stop the wild and unhinged spending. Politicians have already proven they have no interest. These entitled Federal employees are demonstrating in public exactly what's wrong with the Federal Gov and it needs to be corrected
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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:23 am
kalm wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 8:28 am This isn’t about MAGA or efficiency. This is about power and control. If you don’t see that, you are blind deserve every accusation of cult membership thrown at you.

Dude. Your thinking got voted out decisively this last election. Your old thinking doesn't apply anymore.
Yep. I bet $$$ that guy had something to do with the lawfare against Trump, and/or J6ers, or pro lifers, or like that whistleblower doc in Texas, etc...
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Re: Trump 2.0: MAGAA

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:20 am
kalm wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:03 am

You seem challenged by the reality of what’s happening. My thinking is you retain key personnel with experience and a track record of serving their country.

You do realize Trumpmusk doesn’t give a slippery shit about you or efficiency, right?

They care about wealth and power. This isn’t arguable.
they might but again, your kids need someone to stop the wild and unhinged spending. Politicians have already proven they have no interest. These entitled Federal employees are demonstrating in public exactly what's wrong with the Federal Gov and it needs to be corrected
My sons mostly disagree. They want a system that does reward entitled captains of industry who bleed the treasury . They don’t like kleptocracy.
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Your kids and others like them are the problem, its not arguable.
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kalm wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:03 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:23 am

Dude. Your thinking got voted out decisively this last election. Your old thinking doesn't apply anymore.
You seem challenged by the reality of what’s happening. My thinking is you retain key personnel with experience and a track record of serving their country.

You do realize Trumpmusk doesn’t give a slippery shit about you or efficiency, right?

They care about wealth and power. This isn’t arguable.
No shit. They both were already worth tons before, so that is obvious, but you can't seem to get over the aspect that our government has their thumbs up their asses way too much. Trump and Elon don't have to give a shit about efficiency either, they just have to expose it and they already have.

They especially don't have to give a shit if they simply offload the assignment to the process improvement team. The government has process efficiency employees that can assist. Maybe the government is inefficient because it places too much burden on it's processes and people simply give up due to how much effort simple things take to get done. Remove that burden. That's really easy to do, it just needed to be exposed.
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kalm wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:48 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:20 am

they might but again, your kids need someone to stop the wild and unhinged spending. Politicians have already proven they have no interest. These entitled Federal employees are demonstrating in public exactly what's wrong with the Federal Gov and it needs to be corrected
My sons mostly disagree. They want a system that does reward entitled captains of industry who bleed the treasury . They don’t like kleptocracy.
I don‘t either. The Swamp is the kleptocracy.
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Re: trump 0.2: MAQAA

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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:13 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:48 am
My sons mostly disagree. They want a system that does reward entitled captains of industry who bleed the treasury . They don’t like kleptocracy.
I don‘t either. The Swamp is the kleptocracy.
How do you justify what musk is attempting with the FAA and Verizon/starlink?

We traded one kleptocracy for another. Time will tell which is worse.
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The one that you support is definitely worse. It even has a proven track record, unlike the one you rant about that just started
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:16 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:13 pm
I don‘t either. The Swamp is the kleptocracy.
How do you justify what musk is attempting with the FAA and Verizon/starlink?

We traded one kleptocracy for another. Time will tell which is worse.
Musk, Vance, and Peter Thiel (who Musk, Vance, and the DOGE boys are a school of) are all ardent believers of Curtis Yarvin's neo-feudalism world view (which he calls Dark Enlightenment). They think corporations should own cities and countries around the world, including corporations having their own militaries. Basically the world is a bunch of techno-monarchies, but they justify it because people have "choice" by moving to the cities which offer the most to their citizens (which ironically means open borders).

I also want to mention that all four are nerds, but the shitty type. They're your neckbeard types who play Mtg (Vance played) and Dungeons & Dragons (Musk, Thiel, Yarvin played) and think they know everything and don't let others actually have fun. I have no doubt Dark Enlightenment is something Yarvin came up with playing some tabletop RPG in a basement and told his other nerd friends about how cool it is.

It's amazing that rural Americans and the Christian right think that neo-feudalist nerds and a billionaire from New York City care about them or the United States in any sense of the word. We're truly in the dumbest timeline.
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Re: trump 0.2: MAQAA

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∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 3:10 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:16 pm

How do you justify what musk is attempting with the FAA and Verizon/starlink?

We traded one kleptocracy for another. Time will tell which is worse.
Musk, Vance, and Peter Thiel (who Musk, Vance, and the DOGE boys are a school of) are all ardent believers of Curtis Yarvin's neo-feudalism world view (which he calls Dark Enlightenment). They think corporations should own cities and countries around the world, including corporations having their own militaries. Basically the world is a bunch of techno-monarchies, but they justify it because people have "choice" by moving to the cities which offer the most to their citizens (which ironically means open borders).

I also want to mention that all four are nerds, but the shitty type. They're your neckbeard types who play Mtg (Vance played) and Dungeons & Dragons (Musk, Thiel, Yarvin played) and think they know everything and don't let others actually have fun. I have no doubt Dark Enlightenment is something Yarvin came up with playing some tabletop RPG in a basement and told his other nerd friends about how cool it is.

It's amazing that rural Americans and the Christian right think that neo-feudalist nerds and a billionaire from New York City care about them or the United States in any sense of the word. We're truly in the dumbest timeline.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:00 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:23 am

Dude. Your thinking got voted out decisively this last election. Integrity and scruples don't apply anymore.
FYP

Satisfaction with trump/musk/vance is dropping. Looks like integrity and scruples might be making a comeback in the next couple of years.

:coffee:
:rofl: You go look in the mirror pal. The hilarious part is your thinking was soundly defeated and you still keep throwing a fit like your thinking has ANY relevance.

You didn't say ONE thing about unelected officials running the Biden administration. To complain about adults being in charge now, tells us all you an angry, bitter gubmint worker. :ohno:
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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 7:28 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:00 am
FYP

Satisfaction with trump/musk/vance is dropping. Looks like integrity and scruples might be making a comeback in the next couple of years.

:coffee:
:rofl: You go look in the mirror pal. The hilarious part is your thinking was soundly defeated and you still keep throwing a fit like your thinking has ANY relevance.

You didn't say ONE thing about unelected officials running the Biden administration. To complain about adults being in charge now, tells us all you an angry, bitter gubmint worker. :ohno:
1) I didn't vote for trump or harris.

2) Getting 49% of the vote isn't soundly defeating anything.

3) Who are these mysterious adults who are in charge? When are they going to make an appearance? Attempting to degrade a foreign dignitary and then kicking him out when he wouldn't capitulate isn't what an adult does. Calling people juvenile names isn't being an adult.

4) I've never worked for the gubmit despite your lame attempts to make that connection.

5) We'll see what happens to the MAQA yahoo qult in the next couple of elections.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 7:56 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 7:28 pm

:rofl: You go look in the mirror pal. The hilarious part is your thinking was soundly defeated and you still keep throwing a fit like your thinking has ANY relevance.

You didn't say ONE thing about unelected officials running the Biden administration. To complain about adults being in charge now, tells us all you an angry, bitter gubmint worker. :ohno:
1) I didn't vote for trump or harris.

2) Getting 49% of the vote isn't soundly defeating anything.

3) Who are these mysterious adults who are in charge? When are they going to make an appearance? Attempting to degrade a foreign dignitary and then kicking him out when he wouldn't capitulate isn't what an adult does. Calling people juvenile names isn't being an adult.

4) I've never worked for the gubmit despite your lame attempts to make that connection.

5) We'll see what happens to the MAQA yahoo qult in the next couple of elections.
50%
A lot closer than your 49%
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kalm wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:03 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:23 am

Dude. Your thinking got voted out decisively this last election. Your old thinking doesn't apply anymore.
You seem challenged by the reality of what’s happening. My thinking is you retain key personnel with experience and a track record of serving their country.

You do realize Trumpmusk doesn’t give a slippery shit about you or efficiency, right?

They care about wealth and power. This isn’t arguable.
He's a spokesman for an agency. Don't think that is key personnel where experience really matters. Finding a new spokesman would be easy. :coffee:

More important, if it's so bad why is his resignation submitted on February 27 but not effective until September 30? :roll:
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Re: trump 0.2: MAQAA

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∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 3:10 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:16 pm

How do you justify what musk is attempting with the FAA and Verizon/starlink?

We traded one kleptocracy for another. Time will tell which is worse.
Musk, Vance, and Peter Thiel (who Musk, Vance, and the DOGE boys are a school of) are all ardent believers of Curtis Yarvin's neo-feudalism world view (which he calls Dark Enlightenment). They think corporations should own cities and countries around the world, including corporations having their own militaries. Basically the world is a bunch of techno-monarchies, but they justify it because people have "choice" by moving to the cities which offer the most to their citizens (which ironically means open borders).

I also want to mention that all four are nerds, but the shitty type. They're your neckbeard types who play Mtg (Vance played) and Dungeons & Dragons (Musk, Thiel, Yarvin played) and think they know everything and don't let others actually have fun. I have no doubt Dark Enlightenment is something Yarvin came up with playing some tabletop RPG in a basement and told his other nerd friends about how cool it is.

It's amazing that rural Americans and the Christian right think that neo-feudalist nerds and a billionaire from New York City care about them or the United States in any sense of the word. We're truly in the dumbest timeline.
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HI54UNI wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 9:51 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:03 am

You seem challenged by the reality of what’s happening. My thinking is you retain key personnel with experience and a track record of serving their country.

You do realize Trumpmusk doesn’t give a slippery shit about you or efficiency, right?

They care about wealth and power. This isn’t arguable.
He's a spokesman for an agency. Don't think that is key personnel where experience really matters. Finding a new spokesman would be easy. :coffee:

More important, if it's so bad why is his resignation submitted on February 27 but not effective until September 30? :roll:
Everyone is replaceable, including you. That’s not what this is about.

It’s about burning it all down by dudes who don’t think they’ll suffer the consequences of reduced services, social safety nets, a further damaged environment, reduced affordable healthcare (not that it’s affordable now), etc.

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kalm wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:09 pm
HI54UNI wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 9:51 pm

He's a spokesman for an agency. Don't think that is key personnel where experience really matters. Finding a new spokesman would be easy. :coffee:

More important, if it's so bad why is his resignation submitted on February 27 but not effective until September 30? :roll:
Everyone is replaceable, including you. That’s not what this is about.

It’s about burning it all down by dudes who don’t think they’ll suffer the consequences of reduced services, social safety nets, a further damaged environment, reduced affordable healthcare (not that it’s affordable now), etc.

:coffee: :coffee:
Exactly, everyone is replaceable. And the day after you're gone no one gives a shit about you. And I notice you did not address the September 30 thing. :coffee:
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HI54UNI wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:12 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:09 pm

Everyone is replaceable, including you. That’s not what this is about.

It’s about burning it all down by dudes who don’t think they’ll suffer the consequences of reduced services, social safety nets, a further damaged environment, reduced affordable healthcare (not that it’s affordable now), etc.

:coffee: :coffee:
Exactly, everyone is replaceable. And the day after you're gone no one gives a shit about you. And I notice you did not address the September 30 thing. :coffee:
Because it’s one employee. Losing one employee is not the debate here and I haven’t seen DOGE suggest they were interesting in replacing anyone.

It’s the shotgun approach by ignorant and inexperienced Musk flackies without an evaluation process that’s problematic.

I’m fine with efficiency and cuts. But it requires transparency and a process.
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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 8:32 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 7:56 pm
1) I didn't vote for trump or harris.

2) Getting 49% of the vote isn't soundly defeating anything.

3) Who are these mysterious adults who are in charge? When are they going to make an appearance? Attempting to degrade a foreign dignitary and then kicking him out when he wouldn't capitulate isn't what an adult does. Calling people juvenile names isn't being an adult.

4) I've never worked for the gubmit despite your lame attempts to make that connection.

5) We'll see what happens to the MAQA yahoo qult in the next couple of elections.
50%
A lot closer than your 49%
49.8%

0.8% is YUGE like Arnold Palmer's ...

Regardless, getting 49.8% of the vote isn't soundly defeating anything either.

SG's argument is rendered moot but I'd love to know when the adults are going to make an appearance.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:38 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 8:32 pm
50%
A lot closer than your 49%
49.8%

0.8% is YUGE like Arnold Palmer's ...

Regardless, getting 49.8% of the vote isn't soundly defeating anything either.

SG's argument is rendered moot but I'd love to know when the adults are going to make an appearance.
So less than half of the 2/3’s of the country who voted went for Trump.

Did I apply my BDK logic correctly?
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kalm wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:58 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:38 pm

49.8%

0.8% is YUGE like Arnold Palmer's ...

Regardless, getting 49.8% of the vote isn't soundly defeating anything either.

SG's argument is rendered moot but I'd love to know when the adults are going to make an appearance.
So less than half of the 2/3’s of the country who voted went for Trump.

Did I apply my BDK logic correctly?
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kalm wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 9:59 pm
∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 3:10 pm

Musk, Vance, and Peter Thiel (who Musk, Vance, and the DOGE boys are a school of) are all ardent believers of Curtis Yarvin's neo-feudalism world view (which he calls Dark Enlightenment). They think corporations should own cities and countries around the world, including corporations having their own militaries. Basically the world is a bunch of techno-monarchies, but they justify it because people have "choice" by moving to the cities which offer the most to their citizens (which ironically means open borders).

I also want to mention that all four are nerds, but the shitty type. They're your neckbeard types who play Mtg (Vance played) and Dungeons & Dragons (Musk, Thiel, Yarvin played) and think they know everything and don't let others actually have fun. I have no doubt Dark Enlightenment is something Yarvin came up with playing some tabletop RPG in a basement and told his other nerd friends about how cool it is.

It's amazing that rural Americans and the Christian right think that neo-feudalist nerds and a billionaire from New York City care about them or the United States in any sense of the word. We're truly in the dumbest timeline.
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