Colin Kaepernick

[dbackjon]

Because of this, AZ Gov Douchey has withdrawn, in a series of 2 am tweets (He REALLY is sucking up to Trump), economic incentives to Nike to build a 500 job, half-billion impact facility in Arizona.


Which begs the greater question - why are we using tax dollars for economic bribes to multi-billion $$ companies?

[GannonFan]

Oh good lord

Pretty much anything in the US can be construed as having a link to slavery

I’m starting to think Kap just doesn’t like people

I believe the concern is that some white supremacist groups use the flag as a symbol. Marketed properly, this could have been an opportunity to help take the flag back from groups that have co-opted it. How would those groups react if Kap endorsed the sneaker?

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Of course, groups like that use a whole bunch of different flags and symbols, including the actual, current, 50 star US flag. No go on the regular flag too now?

[dbackjon]

Fun fact - Arizona road markers used to look like this:




Up until Hitler appropriated the swastika.

[dbackjon]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... df179d498a

The right has its own version of political correctness. It’s just as stifling.
Conservatives use “patriotic correctness” to regulate speech, behavior and acceptable opinions.

[UNI88]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... df179d498a

The right has its own version of political correctness. It’s just as stifling.
Conservatives use “patriotic correctness” to regulate speech, behavior and acceptable opinions.

Truth!

Both sides are sensitive little buttercups who get their undies in a wad over perceived infractions and then hypocritically criticize the other side for doing the same thing.

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[UNI88]

I believe the concern is that some white supremacist groups use the flag as a symbol. Marketed properly, this could have been an opportunity to help take the flag back from groups that have co-opted it. How would those groups react if Kap endorsed the sneaker?

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Yup

And those groups would have been b!tching up a storm and tripping over themselves to change the symbol if Kap had endorsed the sneaker. Sales would be yuge and the irony would be delicious.

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[Ibanez]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... df179d498a

The right has its own version of political correctness. It’s just as stifling.
Conservatives use “patriotic correctness” to regulate speech, behavior and acceptable opinions.

Yup. There are snowflakes and cupcakes on both sides that want to regulate your behavior, thoughts and speech.

[Chizzang]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... df179d498a

The right has its own version of political correctness. It’s just as stifling.
Conservatives use “patriotic correctness” to regulate speech, behavior and acceptable opinions.

Yup. There are snowflakes and cupcakes on both sides that want to regulate your behavior, thoughts and speech.

Whatever you do...
do NOT take a knee during the National Anthem



unless you want a three year debate on who's "American enough"
and a lot of hurt feelings

[Ibanez]

Yup. There are snowflakes and cupcakes on both sides that want to regulate your behavior, thoughts and speech.

Whatever you do...
do NOT take a knee during the National Anthem



unless you want a three year debate on who's "American enough"
and a lot of hurt feelings

The NA is a song..it's not a pledge or anything. I don't get the outrage. I also don't remove my hat when it plays. Again...it's a song.

[GannonFan]

Because of this, AZ Gov Douchey has withdrawn, in a series of 2 am tweets (He REALLY is sucking up to Trump), economic incentives to Nike to build a 500 job, half-billion impact facility in Arizona.


Which begs the greater question - why are we using tax dollars for economic bribes to multi-billion $$ companies?

Well, technically we're not using tax dollars. Promising not to tax those companies at a certain rate just means that we'll never get those tax dollars. But we'll also not get those tax dollars if they weren't there at all. It's a future thing.

As for the concept, what would you propose as an alternative? Each state already sets their own tax rates anyway (should we do away with state control of taxes? Local control as well?). It would be hard to set one flat rate in the country. What would that be? Wouldn't one particular region or regions be permanently advantaged by doing so? Wouldn't you be locking in the inequalities between states and regions permanently then? As for the tax dollars, taxing the company themselves is like the horse already out of the barn - everyone else (including worldwide) is competing to get these companies into their districts or areas so that they can get the tax benefits of income taxes for the actual employees as well as benefits from ancillary economic activity. So, we can adjust to the reality of today and adjust how we use taxes to sustain and grow areas, or we can cling to models from the past on how to tax companies and then wonder why they don't want to set up shop here.

[dbackjon]

Because of this, AZ Gov Douchey has withdrawn, in a series of 2 am tweets (He REALLY is sucking up to Trump), economic incentives to Nike to build a 500 job, half-billion impact facility in Arizona.


Which begs the greater question - why are we using tax dollars for economic bribes to multi-billion $$ companies?

Well, technically we're not using tax dollars. Promising not to tax those companies at a certain rate just means that we'll never get those tax dollars. But we'll also not get those tax dollars if they weren't there at all. It's a future thing.

As for the concept, what would you propose as an alternative? Each state already sets their own tax rates anyway (should we do away with state control of taxes? Local control as well?). It would be hard to set one flat rate in the country. What would that be? Wouldn't one particular region or regions be permanently advantaged by doing so? Wouldn't you be locking in the inequalities between states and regions permanently then? As for the tax dollars, taxing the company themselves is like the horse already out of the barn - everyone else (including worldwide) is competing to get these companies into their districts or areas so that they can get the tax benefits of income taxes for the actual employees as well as benefits from ancillary economic activity. So, we can adjust to the reality of today and adjust how we use taxes to sustain and grow areas, or we can cling to models from the past on how to tax companies and then wonder why they don't want to set up shop here.

What they are avoiding is paying for the increase in services they require - the roads, sewer, added burden on school districts.

Personally, I would ban these incentives nation-wide. Stop the race to the bottom to poach one company from elsewhere in the US. It is a net negative for the country.

[GannonFan]

Well, technically we're not using tax dollars. Promising not to tax those companies at a certain rate just means that we'll never get those tax dollars. But we'll also not get those tax dollars if they weren't there at all. It's a future thing.

As for the concept, what would you propose as an alternative? Each state already sets their own tax rates anyway (should we do away with state control of taxes? Local control as well?). It would be hard to set one flat rate in the country. What would that be? Wouldn't one particular region or regions be permanently advantaged by doing so? Wouldn't you be locking in the inequalities between states and regions permanently then? As for the tax dollars, taxing the company themselves is like the horse already out of the barn - everyone else (including worldwide) is competing to get these companies into their districts or areas so that they can get the tax benefits of income taxes for the actual employees as well as benefits from ancillary economic activity. So, we can adjust to the reality of today and adjust how we use taxes to sustain and grow areas, or we can cling to models from the past on how to tax companies and then wonder why they don't want to set up shop here.

What they are avoiding is paying for the increase in services they require - the roads, sewer, added burden on school districts.

Personally, I would ban these incentives nation-wide. Stop the race to the bottom to poach one company from elsewhere in the US. It is a net negative for the country.

So you end up hurting places that are close to the border where companies can go a little bit further to get the tax breaks they will get, or you hurt anyplace where the same company can locate in a different country and get the benefits you're denying. And if you ban them nation-wide, do you freeze what's in place already? Tax rates are different at the state and local levels all across the country. Who has the correct tax rate? You could be grandfathering in locales that have already moved to a more competitive rate and locking out other locales that haven't adjusted theirs yet.

I don't deny that paying for the increased services isn't a big deal, of course it is. But a lot of times you can do that with personal income taxing. At the end of the day, companies are just collections of people. You tax the people. Couple that with good land management (and again, that varies widely from township to township as to how good things are managed, but again, that's a local issue) and proper regulations (e.g. the business still has to abide by sound environmental practices) and it works out. Far better than trying to tax a business that can just walk away to somewhere where the business activity isn't taxed. It's a small world, pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist isn't a viable governing model.

[dbackjon]

Companies will relocate to Mexico even with tax breaks.

A company like Wal-mart isn't going to locate a store in Mexico because of tax breaks - what they do is play one county or town against another to make more profit, at the expense of taxpayers. Nike needs a distribution center that makes logistical sense (and would have likely located in Arizona regardless of tax breaks, but if they can get them, why not take them)

What I am against are special breaks for certain companies. If Alabama wants to lure a company because the tax rate they charge corporations is less than Illinois - great. But luring a company by waiving the taxes that everyone else in Alabama pays is wrong, IMHO.

[AZGrizFan]

Yup. There are snowflakes and cupcakes on both sides that want to regulate your behavior, thoughts and speech.

Whatever you do...
do NOT take a knee during the National Anthem



unless you want a three year debate on who's "American enough"
and a lot of hurt feelings

I’ll take out your OTHER knee, motherfucker.

[UNI88]

Yup. There are snowflakes and cupcakes on both sides that want to regulate your behavior, thoughts and speech.

Whatever you do...
do NOT take a knee during the National Anthem



unless you want a three year debate on who's "American enough"
and a lot of hurt feelings

I never understood the outrage. How is taking a knee during the NA that much different than kneeling during church or before a ruler? It's a respectful way of trying to bring attention to a cause that they feel is important. It's not like they stayed standing and turned their back on the flag.

It is a great example of the overly sensitive & silly cupcakes on the right.

[clenz]

Whatever you do...
do NOT take a knee during the National Anthem



unless you want a three year debate on who's "American enough"
and a lot of hurt feelings

I never understood the outrage. How is taking a knee during the NA that much different than kneeling during church or before a ruler? It's a respectful way of trying to bring attention to a cause that they feel is important. It's not like they stayed standing and turned their back on the flag.

It is a great example of the overly sensitive & silly cupcakes on the right.

Because a non white/orange person did it...and Trump got all kinds of pissy about it

[GannonFan]

Whatever you do...
do NOT take a knee during the National Anthem



unless you want a three year debate on who's "American enough"
and a lot of hurt feelings

I never understood the outrage. How is taking a knee during the NA that much different than kneeling during church or before a ruler? It's a respectful way of trying to bring attention to a cause that they feel is important. It's not like they stayed standing and turned their back on the flag.

It is a great example of the overly sensitive & silly cupcakes on the right.

Truth be told, a little bit of racism in there to boot.

[Baldy]

This is so delicious.

'member when we all got the lecture that Colin was only taking a knee to protest against police brutality, not to disrespect the flag.

Yeah, it was about the flag.

[Ibanez]

Whatever you do...
do NOT take a knee during the National Anthem



unless you want a three year debate on who's "American enough"
and a lot of hurt feelings

I never understood the outrage. How is taking a knee during the NA that much different than kneeling during church or before a ruler? It's a respectful way of trying to bring attention to a cause that they feel is important. It's not like they stayed standing and turned their back on the flag.

It is a great example of the overly sensitive & silly cupcakes on the right.

I’d bet the farm that non of these Uber Patriot cupcakes stand when they’re watching an event at home at the anthem is played.


Including the resident cupcakes- AG1 and BDK


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[Ivytalk]

Whatever you do...
do NOT take a knee during the National Anthem



unless you want a three year debate on who's "American enough"
and a lot of hurt feelings

I never understood the outrage. How is taking a knee during the NA that much different than kneeling during church or before a ruler? It's a respectful way of trying to bring attention to a cause that they feel is important. It's not like they stayed standing and turned their back on the flag.

It is a great example of the overly sensitive & silly cupcakes on the right.

C’mon, 88, you’re better than that. This jackass is just milking it for publicity purposes now. His NFL career is fucked.

[Chizzang]

This is so delicious.

'member when we all got the lecture that Colin was only taking a knee to protest against police brutality, not to disrespect the flag.

Yeah, it was about the flag.

did it really ever matter what it was about..?



a guy with an afro wasn't following instructions
and all hell broke loose

[Ivytalk]

This is so delicious.

'member when we all got the lecture that Colin was only taking a knee to protest against police brutality, not to disrespect the flag.

Yeah, it was about the flag.

did it really ever matter what it was about..?



a guy with an afro wasn't following instructions
and all hell broke loose

Kap’s Afro reminds me of the one that OJ wore in Naked Gun.

[Chizzang]

did it really ever matter what it was about..?



a guy with an afro wasn't following instructions
and all hell broke loose

Kap’s Afro reminds me of the one that OJ wore in Naked Gun.

Rule No. 1
If you have an Afro you need to follow instructions and beholden to the man
See: Keapernick

If you have a Cowboy hat and don't follow instructions you're a hero
See: Cliven Bundy

[Ivytalk]

Kap’s Afro reminds me of the one that OJ wore in Naked Gun.

Rule No. 1
If you have an Afro you need to follow instructions and beholden to the man
See: Keapernick

If you have a Cowboy hat and don't follow instructions you're a hero
See: Cliven Bundy

You obviously didn’t bring up the video clip in favor of scoring a few cheap debate points.

[Skjellyfetti]

This is so delicious.

'member when we all got the lecture that Colin was only taking a knee to protest against police brutality, not to disrespect the flag.

Yeah, it was about the flag.

Putting the flag on sneakers is disrespecting the flag.