The Ukraine Crisis

[AZGrizFan]

Somebody obviously has never looked up the incidents/gallon/mile comparison of a pipeline vs. trucking vs. rail.

Pipelines are the safest way by far to transport mass amounts liquids.

100% of them leak

Re-read his first sentence.

[UNI88]

Fellas

At this juncture I think we are getting to the point that Putin is realizing that he cannot win this thing regardless of the outcome

So, it is time to talk about tripwires

If Putin decides to use a tactical nuke in Ukraine or possibly a NATO staging area, things will escalate, probably within hours

If you live near a strategic center, I would suggest having your family put together a go bag of essentials to get them (and you) out to a rural area. If grandma lives in a house in the middle of nowhere, I suggest that be your destination. I have mine in NC.

When I say “strategic center” I am not talking about you living beside a Goodyear plant that makes airplane tires… dont flatter yourself. I’m talking about those of us who live in the Delmarva area, near any air force base or major Army fort, any defense companies footprints that actually *make* things, like F-35s or Tomahawk missiles. ANY naval base.

I’m pretty sure Houndawg and klam are safe already but I dont know about the rest of you.

Trust me, this guy is not right in the head. Just look at his actions of the last two weeks. None of it comes as a surprise to me


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I'll have a 2,000 mile trek across the Cascades, Rockies and Great Plains to get to my kids. Long odds but I'd rather go down trying to reach them than live wondering if they made it.

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[Ibanez]

Fellas

At this juncture I think we are getting to the point that Putin is realizing that he cannot win this thing regardless of the outcome

So, it is time to talk about tripwires

If Putin decides to use a tactical nuke in Ukraine or possibly a NATO staging area, things will escalate, probably within hours

If you live near a strategic center, I would suggest having your family put together a go bag of essentials to get them (and you) out to a rural area. If grandma lives in a house in the middle of nowhere, I suggest that be your destination. I have mine in NC.

When I say “strategic center” I am not talking about you living beside a Goodyear plant that makes airplane tires… dont flatter yourself. I’m talking about those of us who live in the Delmarva area, near any air force base or major Army fort, any defense companies footprints that actually *make* things, like F-35s or Tomahawk missiles. ANY naval base.

I’m pretty sure Houndawg and klam are safe already but I dont know about the rest of you.

Trust me, this guy is not right in the head. Just look at his actions of the last two weeks. None of it comes as a surprise to me


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MrsCCU and I had that discussion a week or so ago. Charlotte is a major financial HQ on the east coast. We're bugging out to WNC, we can get there via back roads in 2hr35min.

[houndawg]

So you're backing Biden on shutting down Keystone over environmental concerns but like Biden, you're ok with Nordstream 2? Do you really believe that Russia has better environmental and safety protocols than the US?

Somebody obviously has never looked up the incidents/gallon/mile comparison of a pipeline vs. trucking vs. rail.

Pipelines are the safest way by far to transport mass amounts liquids.

Somebody has obviously never realized that that the Keystone XL won't have anything to do with gasoline prices and will be only tranporting Canadian tar sands oil to a refinery in Texas for sale overseas

And: Why should a foreign company be allowed to take land from American citizens by eminent domain?

[houndawg]

Is that the one that will be leaking into our largest aquifer?

So you're backing Biden on shutting down Keystone over environmental concerns but like Biden, you're ok with Nordstream 2? Do you really believe that Russia has better environmental and safety protocols than the US?

Keystone is in operation, I'm talking about the Keystone XL which will only be transporting foreign oil of very low quality to Texas across the largest aquifer in the nation. Tar sands oil has to be transported at higher pressure guaranteeing more than the usual amount of leakage. Oil is a big deal but not as big a deal as fresh water - I think we can all agree on that.

[houndawg]

100% of them leak

Re-read his first sentence.

[Winterborn]

Somebody obviously has never looked up the incidents/gallon/mile comparison of a pipeline vs. trucking vs. rail.

Pipelines are the safest way by far to transport mass amounts liquids.

Somebody has obviously never realized that that the Keystone XL won't have anything to do with gasoline prices and will be only tranporting Canadian tar sands oil to a refinery in Texas for sale overseas

And: Why should a foreign company be allowed to take land from American citizens by eminent domain?

And I said nothing about what the Keystone XL may or may not do. I commented specifically on the safety record of pipelines. Which you are conveniently sidestepping and trying to change the topic.

Look up the data and post it.

[UNI88]

So you're backing Biden on shutting down Keystone over environmental concerns but like Biden, you're ok with Nordstream 2? Do you really believe that Russia has better environmental and safety protocols than the US?

Keystone is in operation, I'm talking about the Keystone XL which will only be transporting foreign oil of very low quality to Texas across the largest aquifer in the nation. Tar sands oil has to be transported at higher pressure guaranteeing more than the usual amount of leakage. Oil is a big deal but not as big a deal as fresh water - I think we can all agree on that.

They're going to move the oil regardless so please answer:

• Winter's question about the safety of pipelines vs other methods of transport.
• My question comparing the safety of American (Keystone XL) vs. Russian pipelines (Nordstream 2).

[kalm]

Fellas

At this juncture I think we are getting to the point that Putin is realizing that he cannot win this thing regardless of the outcome

So, it is time to talk about tripwires

If Putin decides to use a tactical nuke in Ukraine or possibly a NATO staging area, things will escalate, probably within hours

If you live near a strategic center, I would suggest having your family put together a go bag of essentials to get them (and you) out to a rural area. If grandma lives in a house in the middle of nowhere, I suggest that be your destination. I have mine in NC.

When I say “strategic center” I am not talking about you living beside a Goodyear plant that makes airplane tires… dont flatter yourself. I’m talking about those of us who live in the Delmarva area, near any air force base or major Army fort, any defense companies footprints that actually *make* things, like F-35s or Tomahawk missiles. ANY naval base.

I’m pretty sure Houndawg and klam are safe already but I dont know about the rest of you.

Trust me, this guy is not right in the head. Just look at his actions of the last two weeks. None of it comes as a surprise to me


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Good thoughts.

Not many opportunities for an exit strategy. Neither the west or Ukraine are going to be happy by rewarding him with more land. While sanctions can be lifted, the damage they have/will inflict will create instability and take years to unravel. Most of the world has decided to cancel Putin. Dangerous times.

We’re about 15 miles from Fairchild which houses a major refueling wing. Not a juicy target but perhaps strategic?

Good to have a kit ready I suppose. We can be at empty and lower elevation points south in minutes and continue on dirt roads with no traffic to a safer location.

[kalm]

Kind of cool if you want to check blast radius and casualty and radiation exposure from your locations. You select for airburst or surface strike and yield.

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/



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[BDKJMU]

Unreal..

[GannonFan]

Kind of cool if you want to check blast radius and casualty and radiation exposure from your locations. You select for airburst or surface strike and yield.

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/



https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/gal ... BokxNaVQbU

Cool. I have to hope they are accurate in hitting Philly or any nuclear power plant near here. Might be able to ride things out, but I'm woefully prepared for a zombie apocalypse.

[Winterborn]

Unreal..

That's not good. I really wanted the fast tract applied to those instahoes I follow on Instagram and tik-tok.

[Winterborn]

Kind of cool if you want to check blast radius and casualty and radiation exposure from your locations. You select for airburst or surface strike and yield.

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/



https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/gal ... BokxNaVQbU

Cool. I have to hope they are accurate in hitting Philly or any nuclear power plant near here. Might be able to ride things out, but I'm woefully prepared for a zombie apocalypse.

Human zombies I can work with. IF the disease goes after animals, it is going to be tough. Herds of mutant cows/buffalo will be tough to navigate.

[Ibanez]

Unreal..

I took it as her laughing in response to the Polish President and not the question about refugees. But if you're already biased against her, then of course someone will think otherwise.

[GannonFan]

Unreal..

I took it as her laughing in response to the Polish President and not the question about refugees. But if you're already biased against her, then of course someone will think otherwise.

Eh, I didn't think anything of it. But she's already damaged goods, she's basically Dan Quayle at this point, completely unelectable. But the Dems, with their adherence to identity politics, might find it impossible to run anyone but her in 2024. GOP just has to avoid running Trump and they'll win at this point. Might be easier said than done though.

[GannonFan]

So you're backing Biden on shutting down Keystone over environmental concerns but like Biden, you're ok with Nordstream 2? Do you really believe that Russia has better environmental and safety protocols than the US?

Keystone is in operation, I'm talking about the Keystone XL which will only be transporting foreign oil of very low quality to Texas across the largest aquifer in the nation. Tar sands oil has to be transported at higher pressure guaranteeing more than the usual amount of leakage. Oil is a big deal but not as big a deal as fresh water - I think we can all agree on that.

If it was only just as simple as if the pipeline were in operation or not. However, in the big picture, energy policy is much more than just one pipeline. The current administration has made it very clear that they are in favor of phasing out fossil fuels (not a bad goal, per se) and they are in favor of doing it as quickly as they can. While not a bad goal, everything is in the timing. We're not anywhere close to being able to turn off the oil supply and go all renewables, and we're likely decades away from that. Where the damage to the economy comes in the meantime, and this includes gas prices, is when you advertise that you are anti-fossil fuels to the extent that the current administration has, then you've made any investment in anything related to fossil fuels so unattractive that those business have to turn elsewhere. Therefore capital spend on new drilling dries up, the ability to quickly turn on and off supply goes away, and you generally start to increase gas prices as a result. Throw in an ill-timed war, happening partly because of previous poor performance on the world stage by this administration (and certainly by previous ones, no doubt), and you have a genuine gas price crisis. Plus it starts to make people more aware of the incredibly regressive tax (i.e. hurts poorer people far more than richer people) on gas. Quite the conundrum for the current administration, and largely of their own doing.

[kalm]

I took it as her laughing in response to the Polish President and not the question about refugees. But if you're already biased against her, then of course someone will think otherwise.

Eh, I didn't think anything of it. But she's already damaged goods, she's basically Dan Quayle at this point, completely unelectable. But the Dems, with their adherence to identity politics, might find it impossible to run anyone but her in 2024. GOP just has to avoid running Trump and they'll win at this point. Might be easier said than done though.

It’s hard to imagine someone worse than Kamala. So….

Trump vs. Hillary. I’m taking action on that bet.

[93henfan]

I took it as her laughing in response to the Polish President and not the question about refugees. But if you're already biased against her, then of course someone will think otherwise.

Eh, I didn't think anything of it. But she's already damaged goods, she's basically Dan Quayle at this point, completely unelectable. But the Dems, with their adherence to identity politics, might find it impossible to run anyone but her in 2024. GOP just has to avoid running Trump and they'll win at this point. Might be easier said than done though.

It's not as odd as Nancy Pelosi excitedly cheering a statement that our military men are dying of cancer at alarming rates from exposure to toxic burn pits.

I hope that cunt gets cancer in her ass

[GannonFan]

Eh, I didn't think anything of it. But she's already damaged goods, she's basically Dan Quayle at this point, completely unelectable. But the Dems, with their adherence to identity politics, might find it impossible to run anyone but her in 2024. GOP just has to avoid running Trump and they'll win at this point. Might be easier said than done though.

It's not as odd as Nancy Pelosi excitedly cheering a statement that our military men are dying of cancer at alarming rates from exposure to toxic burn pits.

I hope that cunt gets cancer in her ass

She's proof that we shouldn't have elected officials over the age of 75, and certainly not over the age of 80. She's just there to keep making a fortune for her husband with the insider information a Speaker of the House is more than privy. She would've left after losing the majority in that devastating election in 2010 but it was far too lucrative to leave then. Here we are 12 years later and she's still around.

[GannonFan]

Eh, I didn't think anything of it. But she's already damaged goods, she's basically Dan Quayle at this point, completely unelectable. But the Dems, with their adherence to identity politics, might find it impossible to run anyone but her in 2024. GOP just has to avoid running Trump and they'll win at this point. Might be easier said than done though.

It’s hard to imagine someone worse than Kamala. So….

Trump vs. Hillary. I’m taking action on that bet.

Disaster part 2 really (or 3 I guess, Biden has turned out to be very close to completely incompetent). Elections of 2016, 2020, and if that matchup comes to be, 2024, could rival the 1850's for just horrendous Presidential outcomes.

[Ibanez]

Eh, I didn't think anything of it. But she's already damaged goods, she's basically Dan Quayle at this point, completely unelectable. But the Dems, with their adherence to identity politics, might find it impossible to run anyone but her in 2024. GOP just has to avoid running Trump and they'll win at this point. Might be easier said than done though.

It’s hard to imagine someone worse than Kamala. So….

Trump vs. Hillary. I’m taking action on that bet.

If it comes to that...i'll write in Bob Sagat.

[CID1990]

Somebody obviously has never looked up the incidents/gallon/mile comparison of a pipeline vs. trucking vs. rail.

Pipelines are the safest way by far to transport mass amounts liquids.

Somebody has obviously never realized that that the Keystone XL won't have anything to do with gasoline prices and will be only tranporting Canadian tar sands oil to a refinery in Texas for sale overseas

And: Why should a foreign company be allowed to take land from American citizens by eminent domain?

Why are you repeating that obviously dumb talking point?

Keystone XL would not have been online in time to affect prices today but the idea that Canadian oil somehow is already spoken for and cannot be purchased domestically is stupid, and being pushed by people who think you’re stupid.


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[Skjellyfetti]

If there's an escalation - it will be chemical or biological before nuclear.

[BDKJMU]