Zimmerman is being RACE Railroaded

[Wedgebuster]

That don't look like no beaner's bean.

[BlueHen86]

Let's break this down a bit:

1) Are you saying that arming yourself is irresponsible? If so, then we know where you stand.
2) "playing cop" - are you saying all neighborhood watch people, you know, people who are watching their neighborhoods, are irresponsible? Anyone who sees a suspicious person, and reports them to police, is irresponsible? Oh, wait, people should just report things and then go about their business...because you just know the police are there whenever you need them. In fact, I bet that there isn't a single incident that ended well where a person followed a suspect.

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Wait, you mean someone actually played cop and followed up on a hunch...instead of just calling it in and going about their errands?

Wonder what would have happened to this good citizen if the driver of the truck, with or without the girl, had gotten out and jumped the citizen and started banging his head on the ground because he was, you know, in over his head? What if the citizen felt he had to shoot the driver? BlueHen86 would have tld him that he was irresponsible.

Too funny.

No, following someone and "playing cop" isn't irresponsible. Being armed isn't irresponsible.

Attacking someone is irresponsible. Whether Zimmerman attacked Trayvon, or whether Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, is the issue. The only issue.

You're making some valid points here but I'm guessing most cops would disagree with the notion that playing cop in the case of George Zimmerman is not irresponsible. Especially considering how many 911 calls he had made and the fact that he didn't drop of pursuit. Guys like him are dangerous and a pain in the ass to professional law enforcement. It takes more than just handling a weapon to be a cop and/or keep your neighborhood safe.

That and the fact that cops gets lots of training before they are given a gun and a badge. Any nitwit can carry a gun, it's know how to use the gun that is important, and Zimmerman failed badly in that area.

[BlueHen86]

Maybe not everytime, but certainly in this case. If you follow someone enough that they notice it and are uncomfortable, and then continue to follow when they try to get away you're stalking, chasing and harassing them. You're trying too hard to give Zimmerman a pass here. Are you related to him?

If, IF, IF. You have no idea if that's how it went down or not.

I'm not giving him a pass. He might be guilty of something. He might not be guilty of something. I'm just pointing out that someone who wasn't there, doesn't know all the facts, yet says Zimmerman is 100% at fault here is a retard.

IF IF IF? Nothing I said is in dispute.
Zimmerman admitted to following Martin in the 9-1-1 call.
Martin told his girlfriend he was being followed
- and even if you doubt her statement there is the fact that Zimmerman also said on the 9-1-1 call that Martin was trying to get away. He wouldn't have been trying to get away unless he knew was being followed.

As for 100% - I stick by that. You can assign any number you like, but it still comes down to an irresponsible adult shooting a teenager.

[BlueHen86]

Arming yourself, playing cop and then having to shoot someone because you got in over your head is irresponsible. Zimmerman may not be a criminal, but he is guilty of being a dumbass. Had Zimmerman acted responsibilily he would not have had to shoot Martin.

If Zimmerman had called the police and then continued on to run his errands then I would agree with you, but he continued to follow Martin, even after he was told it wasn't necessary by the 9-1-1 operator and after Martin was aware that Zimmerman was following him.

Let's break this down a bit:

1) Are you saying that arming yourself is irresponsible? If so, then we know where you stand.
2) "playing cop" - are you saying all neighborhood watch people, you know, people who are watching their neighborhoods, are irresponsible? Anyone who sees a suspicious person, and reports them to police, is irresponsible? Oh, wait, people should just report things and then go about their business...because you just know the police are there whenever you need them. In fact, I bet that there isn't a single incident that ended well where a person followed a suspect.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/amber-alert-sh ... 6EhmRwe9Tg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wait, you mean someone actually played cop and followed up on a hunch...instead of just calling it in and going about their errands?

Wonder what would have happened to this good citizen if the driver of the truck, with or without the girl, had gotten out and jumped the citizen and started banging his head on the ground because he was, you know, in over his head? What if the citizen felt he had to shoot the driver? BlueHen86 would have tld him that he was irresponsible.

Too funny.

No, following someone and "playing cop" isn't irresponsible. Being armed isn't irresponsible.

Attacking someone is irresponsible. Whether Zimmerman attacked Trayvon, or whether Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, is the issue. The only issue.

Yeah, you're right. Zimmerman was being responsible.
Carrying a gun while acting as watch captain - even though police suggested against it.
Continuing to follow Zimmerman - even though the 9-1-1 operator said it wasn't necessary.

C'mon cluck, you're smarter than this. Zimmerman was irresponsible. The responsible thing would have been to heed the police advice.

[BDKJMU]

If, IF, IF. You have no idea if that's how it went down or not.

I'm not giving him a pass. He might be guilty of something. He might not be guilty of something. I'm just pointing out that someone who wasn't there, doesn't know all the facts, yet says Zimmerman is 100% at fault here is a retard.

IF IF IF? Nothing I said is in dispute.
Zimmerman admitted to following Martin in the 9-1-1 call.
Martin told his girlfriend he was being followed
- and even if you doubt her statement there is the fact that Zimmerman also said on the 9-1-1 call that Martin was trying to get away. He wouldn't have been trying to get away unless he knew was being followed.

As for 100% - I stick by that. You can assign any number you like, but it still comes down to an irresponsible adult shooting a teenager.

And you say Zimmerman is 100% guilty without knowing all the facts. You're no different than the irresponsible media doing the early reporting as if Zimmerman was 100% guilty without being there, without knwoing exactly what happened. You just proved my point.

[BlueHen86]

IF IF IF? Nothing I said is in dispute.
Zimmerman admitted to following Martin in the 9-1-1 call.
Martin told his girlfriend he was being followed
- and even if you doubt her statement there is the fact that Zimmerman also said on the 9-1-1 call that Martin was trying to get away. He wouldn't have been trying to get away unless he knew was being followed.

As for 100% - I stick by that. You can assign any number you like, but it still comes down to an irresponsible adult shooting a teenager.

And you say Zimmerman is 100% guilty without knowing all the facts. You're no different than the irresponsible media doing the early reporting as if Zimmerman was 100% guilty without being there, without knwoing exactly what happened. You just proved my point.

I never said guilty. I said responsible. I don't know if Zimmerman committed a crime or not, but he is responsible for Martin's death.

[CID1990]

Agreed that guys like Zimmerman are a pain in the a$$. I had to deal with a few guys like that. In the bad ok days they used to tie up 911 incessantly.

That said, if it went down the way Zimmerman said, he walks (and given the law, he SHOULD walk... I don't know all the particulars of the stand your ground law in FL, but it sounds like empowering these neighborhood watch weenies to place themselves in deadly force situations is an unintended consequence).


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[CID1990]

And you say Zimmerman is 100% guilty without knowing all the facts. You're no different than the irresponsible media doing the early reporting as if Zimmerman was 100% guilty without being there, without knwoing exactly what happened. You just proved my point.

I never said guilty. I said responsible. I don't know if Zimmerman committed a crime or not, but he is responsible for Martin's death.

That's a backpedal if I ever saw one.

Anyone who ever pulled a trigger on anyone else is "responsible".... Duh. I have some relatives who were responsible for a few deaths in Germany in 1944.


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[BDKJMU]

And you say Zimmerman is 100% guilty without knowing all the facts. You're no different than the irresponsible media doing the early reporting as if Zimmerman was 100% guilty without being there, without knwoing exactly what happened. You just proved my point.

I never said guilty. I said responsible. I don't know if Zimmerman committed a crime or not, but he is responsible for Martin's death.

Ok Herr Spindoktor. Are you sure you're not a politician? Because you sure spin like one.

[BlueHen86]

I never said guilty. I said responsible. I don't know if Zimmerman committed a crime or not, but he is responsible for Martin's death.

That's a backpedal if I ever saw one.

Anyone who ever pulled a trigger on anyone else is "responsible".... Duh. I have some relatives who were responsible for a few deaths in Germany in 1944.


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Not at all. I pretty much just said what you said about Zimmerman being a consequence of the stand your ground law. I've said all along that I think he walks, but he did put himself into a position where he had to use lethal force - that's his responsiblilty.

[BlueHen86]

I never said guilty. I said responsible. I don't know if Zimmerman committed a crime or not, but he is responsible for Martin's death.

Ok Herr Spindoktor. Are you sure you're not a politician? Because you sure spin like one.

Where's the spin? I've been saying the same thing all along. I never said Zimmerman was guilty of a crime, feel free to go back a reread my posts.

Early on I wasn't happy that Zimmerman hadn't been charged, not because I thought he was guilty, but because I didn't think the authorities did their due dilligence. Once he was charged I have no more complaints. Whatever the court decides won't cost me any sleep - and may not change my opinion that Zimmerman acted irresponsibily and caused Martin's death.

[YoUDeeMan]

As for 100% - I stick by that. You can assign any number you like, but it still comes down to an irresponsible adult shooting a teenager.

Did Trayvon act irresponsibly? Heck, if he had just called the police and kept walking, then he might be 100% alive.

But if he did jump Zimmerman when Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle, then Trayvon was 100% at fault for his own death. Unless, of course, you are one of those folks who says, "We always give it 110% of our effort!", in which case there is another 10% to be assigned.

[kalm]

As for 100% - I stick by that. You can assign any number you like, but it still comes down to an irresponsible adult shooting a teenager.

Did Trayvon act irresponsibly? Heck, if he had just called the police and kept walking, then he might be 100% alive.

But if he did jump Zimmerman when Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle, then Trayvon was 100% at fault for his own death. Unless, of course, you are one of those folks who says, "We always give it 110% of our effort!", in which case there is another 10% to be assigned.

Unfortunately, the burden of proof lies with the deceased.

[BDKJMU]

As for 100% - I stick by that. You can assign any number you like, but it still comes down to an irresponsible adult shooting a teenager.

Did Trayvon act irresponsibly? Heck, if he had just called the police and kept walking, then he might be 100% alive.

But if he did jump Zimmerman when Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle, then Trayvon was 100% at fault for his own death. Unless, of course, you are one of those folks who says, "We always give it 110% of our effort!", in which case there is another 10% to be assigned.

Exactly- why is why anyone who says that Zimmerman is 100% responsible without knowing all the facts is

[YoUDeeMan]

Did Trayvon act irresponsibly? Heck, if he had just called the police and kept walking, then he might be 100% alive.

But if he did jump Zimmerman when Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle, then Trayvon was 100% at fault for his own death. Unless, of course, you are one of those folks who says, "We always give it 110% of our effort!", in which case there is another 10% to be assigned.

Unfortunately, the burden of proof lies with the deceased.

Well, the burden of proof may lie with the deceased, but don't think that if the deceased wasn't laid in the ground that if he lived he might have not have lied about his ways so he wouldn't have to lay with other liars behind bars.

[BlueHen86]

Did Trayvon act irresponsibly? Heck, if he had just called the police and kept walking, then he might be 100% alive.

But if he did jump Zimmerman when Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle, then Trayvon was 100% at fault for his own death. Unless, of course, you are one of those folks who says, "We always give it 110% of our effort!", in which case there is another 10% to be assigned.

Exactly- why is why anyone who says that Zimmerman is 100% responsible without knowing all the facts is

I'm a "buck stops here" kind of guy. No doubt we can find things that both Martin and Zimmerman could have done differently to get a better outcome, but at the end of the day it's still comes down to Zimmerman (the adult) initiating the chain of events that led to Martin's (the minor) death. Use all the emoticons you like, it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

[YoUDeeMan]

I'm a "buck stops here" kind of guy. No doubt we can find things that both Martin and Zimmerman could have done differently to get a better outcome, but at the end of the day it's still comes down to Zimmerman (the adult) initiating the chain of events that led to Martin's (the minor) death. Use all the emoticons you like, it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Ahhhh, the old "initiating the chain of events" theory. Well, if Trayvon hadn't gotten suspended from school...and if the wind wasn't blowing from the West two months prior...and if Zimmerman wasn't teased as a child...and if God, instead of resting, had rolled up his sleeves and taken an extra day to iron out some minor glitches before launching Mankind 1.0...

[BlueHen86]

I'm a "buck stops here" kind of guy. No doubt we can find things that both Martin and Zimmerman could have done differently to get a better outcome, but at the end of the day it's still comes down to Zimmerman (the adult) initiating the chain of events that led to Martin's (the minor) death. Use all the emoticons you like, it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Ahhhh, the old "initiating the chain of events" theory. Well, if Trayvon hadn't gotten suspended from school...and if the wind wasn't blowing from the West two months prior...and if Zimmerman wasn't teased as a child...and if God, instead of resting, had rolled up his sleeves and taken an extra day to iron out some minor glitches before launching Mankind 1.0...

Yeah, that's all relevant.

[BDKJMU]

"ABC News Exclusive: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Trayvon Martin Shooting

A medical report compiled by the family physician of Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation..............."
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[BDKJMU]

"Autopsy results show Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles

SANFORD, Fla. — WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.

The information could support George Zimmerman's claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him..............................................................."
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/aut ... s-h/nN6gs/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[89Hen]

If this is true, I don't see how he could get convicted using Florida law.

[travelinman67]

If this is true, I don't see how he could get convicted using Florida law.

Wait...

...it's Florida.

Every credible report I've read supports the "Trayvon on top of Zimmerman striking his face with a closed fist" scenario. While I'm sure Trotskyhen86 will disagree, it's not unusual for death to result from a blow to the head/face.

Give all the facts to the jury; let justice have it's day.

Then sit back and watch the riots.

[BlueHen86]

If this is true, I don't see how he could get convicted using Florida law.

Wait...

...it's Florida.

Every credible report I've read supports the "Trayvon on top of Zimmerman striking his face with a closed fist" scenario. While I'm sure Trotskyhen86 will disagree, it's not unusual for death to result from a blow to the head/face.

Give all the facts to the jury; let justice have it's day.

Then sit back and watch the riots.

Environmentkillingman67,

Just because Martin beat the shit out of Zimmerman (allegedly) it doesn't mean that Martin STARTED the fight. So far the only person that has claimed Martin started the fight is Zimmerman.

[Wedgebuster]

That settles it, Martin must be executed...oh wait..

[travelinman67]

Wait...

...it's Florida.

Every credible report I've read supports the "Trayvon on top of Zimmerman striking his face with a closed fist" scenario. While I'm sure Trotskyhen86 will disagree, it's not unusual for death to result from a blow to the head/face.

Give all the facts to the jury; let justice have it's day.

Then sit back and watch the riots.

"Environmentkillingman67,

Just because Martin beat the shit out of Zimmerman (allegedly) it doesn't mean that Martin STARTED the fight. So far the only person that has claimed Martin started the fight is Zimmerman."

Though not familiar with Florida law, I'm intimately familiar with CA criminal law.

Once deadly force occurs, "who started it" is criminally irrelevant. The party utilizing deadly force merely needs to support the assertion that they were reasonably in fear of losing their life. That will be the only issue.

If Trayvon's family chooses to civilly pursue damages claiming but for Zimmerman's wrongful pursuit, Trayvon wouldn't have lost his life, that is another case for another day.

BTW, get a haircut.