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Re: 2016 Republican Primary

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D1B wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Really? Because over 5 million of them who'd never voted before took the time to put their "X" on a piece of paper for Obama.
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First time voters may have determined the outcome of the 2008 presidential election. According to
the 2008 National Election Day Exit Poll, of the 131,406,895 ballots counted in the 2008 election,
approximately 15,112,000 ballots were cast by first time voters.

As a percentage of total votes cast for the two major presidential candidates, first time voters heavily weighted their support to Barack Obama, comprising nearly 15.2 percent of all votes cast for him, compared to 7.5 percent of all votes cast for Obama’s opponent, John McCain. Exit polls find that 68.7 percent or approximately
10,382,000 first time voters cast their ballots for Obama
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It was 10 million, not 5 million. Get your shit straight next time Z. :-P
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Re: 2016 Republican Primary

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My apologies. Although I always find humor in D's insistence on "links" when the man hasn't sourced a single claim he's ever made on cs.com or ags.
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Re: 2016 Republican Primary

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bluehenbillk wrote:How many of the 17 call it quits before New Hampshire/Iowa/South Carolina?

Perry may be the first...

Perry's cash-strapped 2016 campaign stops paying staffers

Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry has stopped paying his presidential campaign staff amid slow fundraising that has left his 2016 bid starving for cash barely two months after it began
Texas' longest-serving governor raised only about $1 million in the first four weeks of after formally entering the race on June 4, which apparently is not enough cash to cover his staffing expenses.

Perry's Iowa state chairman, Sam Clovis, said Tuesday he was on a conference call with Austin campaign headquarters Monday night where staffers were told pay would be suspended.


http://news.yahoo.com/perrys-cash-strap ... ction.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: 2016 Republican Primary

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dbackjon wrote:
bluehenbillk wrote:How many of the 17 call it quits before New Hampshire/Iowa/South Carolina?

Perry may be the first...

Perry's cash-strapped 2016 campaign stops paying staffers

Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry has stopped paying his presidential campaign staff amid slow fundraising that has left his 2016 bid starving for cash barely two months after it began
Texas' longest-serving governor raised only about $1 million in the first four weeks of after formally entering the race on June 4, which apparently is not enough cash to cover his staffing expenses.

Perry's Iowa state chairman, Sam Clovis, said Tuesday he was on a conference call with Austin campaign headquarters Monday night where staffers were told pay would be suspended.


http://news.yahoo.com/perrys-cash-strap ... ction.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Heard this today too. Perry's never had a chance. Trump's "he's wearing glasses to look smart" quip about Perry sealed the deal.
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Re: 2016 Republican Primary

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HI54UNI wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

Perry may be the first...

Perry's cash-strapped 2016 campaign stops paying staffers

Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry has stopped paying his presidential campaign staff amid slow fundraising that has left his 2016 bid starving for cash barely two months after it began
Texas' longest-serving governor raised only about $1 million in the first four weeks of after formally entering the race on June 4, which apparently is not enough cash to cover his staffing expenses.

Perry's Iowa state chairman, Sam Clovis, said Tuesday he was on a conference call with Austin campaign headquarters Monday night where staffers were told pay would be suspended.


http://news.yahoo.com/perrys-cash-strap ... ction.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Heard this today too. Perry's never had a chance. Trump's "he's wearing glasses to look smart" quip about Perry sealed the deal.
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Re: 2016 Republican Primary

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So when is Trump gonna go away? RCP composite has him more than doubling up the next competitor, Bush at 22-10.7 and Fox has him with a 25-9 lead.

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kalm wrote:So when is Trump gonna go away? RCP composite has him more than doubling up the next competitor, Bush at 22-10.7 and Fox has him with a 25-9 lead.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -3823.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I think there's plenty of time for another candidate to move to the forefront. Trump is still busy sucking all the air out of every room like he normally does and it's just a matter of time before he's pressed to actually come up with some concrete stands on the issues, which he won't have.
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Re: 2016 Republican Primary

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ASUG8 wrote:
kalm wrote:So when is Trump gonna go away? RCP composite has him more than doubling up the next competitor, Bush at 22-10.7 and Fox has him with a 25-9 lead.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -3823.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I think there's plenty of time for another candidate to move to the forefront. Trump is still busy sucking all the air out of every room like he normally does and it's just a matter of time before he's pressed to actually come up with some concrete stands on the issues, which he won't have.
Perhaps, but I think part of what's happening is that voters don't really give a shit or have the attention span for 30 page policy papers or heady, convoluted strategy talks on the issues.

In Trump voice:

Taxes? Cut 'em
Immigrants? Deport 'em
Isis? Kill 'em
Democrats? Stupid dummies.

This shit sells and people are becoming cynical enough to not believe the wonkish bullshit or that it will ever be enacted. Especially after Obama.
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kalm wrote:So when is Trump gonna go away? RCP composite has him more than doubling up the next competitor, Bush at 22-10.7 and Fox has him with a 25-9 lead.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -3823.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't think Trump will go away. In previous elections there were frontrunners that faded away but people forget & Trump brings it up - he's been in the eye of the NYC media for decades - if that doesn't prep someone for the spotlight of a presidential campaign I don't know what will. He's very savvy with the media & he has them eating out of his hand with free press right now. Anyone else catch the hour long interview on CNN last night? Every candidate on both sides would kill for that opportunity.
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kalm wrote:So when is Trump gonna go away?
Pwns wrote:I will call it now...Trump's moment in the spotlight is over after the debate this week. He can throw bombs, but I bet he debates like Fred Thompson.
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AZGrizFan wrote:My apologies. Although I always find humor in D's insistence on "links" when the man hasn't sourced a single claim he's ever made on cs.com or ags.
Yeah, find one, Mayor McCheese.

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"Wall Street's latest panic: Trump could win
With Bush and Clinton taking their lumps, financial executives face populist critics in both parties.


NEW YORK — Wall Street is growing increasingly terrified that Donald Trump — once viewed as an amusing summertime distraction — could actually win the Republican nomination for president.

The real estate billionaire, who took another populist shot on Sunday by ripping into lavish executive pay, continues to rise in the polls. Would-be Wall Street saviors like Jeb Bush are languishing in single digits. The belief that Trump's candidacy would quickly fade is now evaporating in a wave of fear......

.......The latest frightening broadside for the Wall Street class came on Sunday when Trump said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” that executive pay in America is “a complete joke” and promised to raise taxes on “the hedge fund guys.” In a statement sent to POLITICO on Monday from his campaign, Trump relished in the attacks from Wall Street, singling out both Bush and Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, another favorite on Wall Street.

"Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton will continue to let Wall Street and the 'hedge fund guys' rip off the people by paying no or very little in taxes," Trump said. "They have total and complete control of Hillary, Jeb and others running. My campaign is self- funded. The only people that have control of me are the people of the United States."......

......The frustration on Wall Street goes beyond just Trump’s rise and staying power. The industry’s other preferred candidate, Clinton, is also suffering under the populist wave, losing ground to independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, a self-described socialist and outspoken Wall Street critic.

The industry began this election cycle confident that a GOP candidate like Bush would win, and offer some reprieve from populist anger. And if that didn’t happen they would at least get Clinton, who has long and deep ties to the industry and is viewed as largely moderate on financial regulation.

Both Bush and Clinton have tacked populist with pledges to increase taxes on some wealthy investors. But they are still both establishment-friendly, with policies on trade, immigration and other issues that line up closely with elite opinion. And Wall Street does not view either candidate as likely to use the office to further stoke populist resentments.

“Neither of them are doing very well right now,” said one Wall Street Democrat of Bush and Clinton. “Both Trump and Sanders have done a pretty great job tapping into this sense of frustration not just with Wall Street but with all of the establishment.”........
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"...."I don't know anyone who is a Donald Trump supporter. I don’t know anyone who knows anyone who is a Donald Trump supporter. They are like this huge mystery group,” the CEO said....."

Just shows how out of touch this unnamed CEO is. Like all the rest of the Manhattan elites, be they country club republicans or limousine liberals, they don't know, much less associate with inland middle class folks...
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Trump rally draws 15k in Dallas..

At Trump rally, Republicans experience Obama-sized crowd, excitement
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2572046" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"...Tickets were free to the Trump event, but once they were all handed out, the only tickets available were going for as much as $100 online......."
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BDKJMU wrote:Trump rally draws 15k in Dallas..

At Trump rally, Republicans experience Obama-sized crowd, excitement
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2572046" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"...Tickets were free to the Trump event, but once they were all handed out, the only tickets available were going for as much as $100 online......."
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics/Don ... 34961.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wouldn't waste a vote on Trump, but It would be interesting to see what he would do. Career politicians have destroyed this country so what harm can a Republican (former liberal) billionaire with bad hair and no internal monologue do?
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Ibanez wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:Trump rally draws 15k in Dallas..

At Trump rally, Republicans experience Obama-sized crowd, excitement
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2572046" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"...Tickets were free to the Trump event, but once they were all handed out, the only tickets available were going for as much as $100 online......."
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics/Don ... 34961.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wouldn't waste a vote on Trump, but It would be interesting to see what he would do. Career politicians have destroyed this country so what harm can a Republican (former liberal) billionaire with bad hair and no internal monologue do?
No kidding.

It would be easy to get bent out of shape over either Trump or Sanders, but at the end of the day the real question is if it really matters anymore.
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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:

I wouldn't waste a vote on Trump, but It would be interesting to see what he would do. Career politicians have destroyed this country so what harm can a Republican (former liberal) billionaire with bad hair and no internal monologue do?
No kidding.

It would be easy to get bent out of shape over either Trump or Sanders, but at the end of the day the real question is if it really matters anymore.
Exactly.
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We'll see what happens at the debate tonight - but all these "establishment" candidates that are stuck at 2%-5% of the vote seem to be wasting their time. Donations are WAY down this election & I think you'll see the field thin considerably before NH & IA.

It seems like a 2-horse race for the GOP. Maybe Fiorina could shock things & vault into serious consideration but I don't see how anyone else makes up that ground. :coffee:
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I'm Rick Santorum. Some of you may know me, because you use lube while having anal sex.


Seriously, why is there even a debate with these four chuckleheads?

Santorum, Graham, Jindal, and Pataki? Seriously? :lol:
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I don't know Lindsey Graham personally, but I think it's pretty safe to say he sucks cock.
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93henfan wrote:I'm Rick Santorum. Some of you may know me, because you use lube while having anal sex.


Seriously, why is there even a debate with these four chuckleheads?

Santorum, Graham, Jindal, and Pataki? Seriously? :lol:
Perry saved himself the embarrassment of being on stage by dropping out, and Gilmore didn't even qualify for the JV Debate
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93henfan wrote:I don't know Lindsey Graham personally, but I think it's pretty safe to say he sucks cock.


Duh - he's from South Carolina, home of the Citadel.
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So, um, why are audience members still filing in while the candidates are giving their opening statements? :lol:

I mean, seriously, two people just walked between Christie and the camera. WTF is CNN doing?
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93henfan wrote:So, um, why are audience members still filing in while the candidates are giving their opening statements? :lol:

I mean, seriously, two people just walked between Christie and the camera. WTF is CNN doing?
So they had to grab a few people off the street to fill the seats. BFD.
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