Coronavirus COVID-19

[JohnStOnge]

I am at the point of thinking this is not that big a deal.

[93henfan]

I am at the point of thinking this is not that big a deal.

You're about two weeks behind Wall Street.

[JohnStOnge]

I am at the point of thinking this is not that big a deal.

You're about two weeks behind Wall Street.

Fair enough.

[CID1990]

Not a big deal in the US, really. Not yet, anyway.

Its a bit of a panic in Asia but mostly in a political sense. I’m in another Asian country now helping deal with some of the political consequences as we speak

Part of the issue right now is over a lack of understanding about the virus itself - incubation period, effectiveness of testing, and virulence/transmissibility


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[mainejeff]

You guys are STILL talking about this sh*t?

[BDKJMU]

The dumbest thing I've seen is they quarantined these people on the ship for 2 weeks, and then decide to fly the 400 or whatever Americans, including the 14 infected, to the US and quarantine them for another 2 weeks. May as well have flown them to the US 2 weeks ago and started a real quarantine then. On that ship it just kept spreading and spreading- 370 some people apparently as of last count.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

They want people to get it....................it helps spread the fear and control over people

[mainejeff]

They want people to get it....................it helps spread the fear and control over people

Oh good grief. One thing I've realized since joining MAGA is that you guys are as paranoid as the libtards! Must be an "American" thing.

[BDKJMU]

They want people to get it....................it helps spread the fear and control over people

Oh good grief. One thing I've realized since joining MAGA is that you guys are as paranoid as the libtards! Must be an "American" thing.

You don’t make a very good imposter.
In fairness, if I tried to join the TDS libtards, I wouldn’t make a very good imposter either.

[∞∞∞]

I'd guesstimate 30-40% of the passengers in Doha airport were wearing masks. A group of Chinese travelers (all wearing masks) were walking together and it was like a parting of the Red Sea as they walked through the airport. Kinda felt bad for them.

I get it though, it's a new virus and people fear the unknown, but so far this thing is far less deadly than the flu. FFS, we have people around the world thinking the flu shot causes autism and probably doing worse damage than this thing...so not gonna fear a virus that's only infected an extremely small percentage of the Chinese population.

If the virus is part of our new reality, it is what it is. I'm sure in time a vaccine or seasonal shot will be developed.

[CID1990]

I'd guesstimate 30-40% of the passengers in Doha airport were wearing masks. A group of Chinese travelers (all wearing masks) were walking together and it was like a parting of the Red Sea as they walked through the airport. Kinda felt bad for them.

I get it though, it's a new virus and people fear the unknown, but so far this thing is far less deadly than the flu. FFS, we have people around the world thinking the flu shot causes autism and probably doing worse damage than this thing...so not gonna fear a virus that's only infected an extremely small percentage of the Chinese population.

If the virus is part of our new reality, it is what it is. I'm sure in time a vaccine or seasonal shot will be developed.

Agreed on an eventual vaccine- but where do you get that it is less deadly than the flu? I just spent a long weekend in a crash course on the virus with advice directly from CDC and that is not what we are getting.

Here’s NYT on what we were up to:


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/16/worl ... icans.html


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[∞∞∞]

I'd guesstimate 30-40% of the passengers in Doha airport were wearing masks. A group of Chinese travelers (all wearing masks) were walking together and it was like a parting of the Red Sea as they walked through the airport. Kinda felt bad for them.

I get it though, it's a new virus and people fear the unknown, but so far this thing is far less deadly than the flu. FFS, we have people around the world thinking the flu shot causes autism and probably doing worse damage than this thing...so not gonna fear a virus that's only infected an extremely small percentage of the Chinese population.

If the virus is part of our new reality, it is what it is. I'm sure in time a vaccine or seasonal shot will be developed.

Agreed on an eventual vaccine- but where do you get that it is less deadly than the flu? I just spent a long weekend in a crash course on the virus with advice directly from CDC and that is not what we are getting.

Here’s NYT on what we were up to:


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/16/worl ... icans.html

Hasn't the flu killed far more people this year?

Honestly, I'm more afraid of anti-vaxxers than the coronavirus. Considering the amount of people it's infected and the actual population of China (or even Wuhan), doesn't seem like too big of a deal...but of course we should take steps to contain it.

Just seems like the newness of it has triggered people's fears, which again is understandable.

[CID1990]

Agreed on an eventual vaccine- but where do you get that it is less deadly than the flu? I just spent a long weekend in a crash course on the virus with advice directly from CDC and that is not what we are getting.

Here’s NYT on what we were up to:


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/16/worl ... icans.html

Hasn't the flu killed far more people this year?

Honestly, I'm more afraid of anti-vaxxers than the coronavirus. Considering the amount of people it's infected and the actual population of China (or even Wuhan), doesn't seem like too big of a deal. Just the newness of it has triggered people's fears.

Isn’t the flu already in every corner of the world and has infected millions of people?

I get that we aren’t immunologists but your logic is a simple failure of mathematics and has nothing to do with the lethality of COVID-19


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[∞∞∞]

Hasn't the flu killed far more people this year?

Honestly, I'm more afraid of anti-vaxxers than the coronavirus. Considering the amount of people it's infected and the actual population of China (or even Wuhan), doesn't seem like too big of a deal. Just the newness of it has triggered people's fears.

Isn’t the flu already in every corner of the world and has infected millions of people?

I get that we aren’t immunologists but your logic is a simple failure of mathematics and has nothing to do with the lethality of COVID-19

That's fair, but how lethal is it beyond China? From what I read it's been about twice as deadly as the flu in China, but significantly less deadly elsewhere in the world. I'm sure there's plenty of variables at play though.

In the end, I trust the scientists and medical professionals will do their best.

edit: just doing the quick math based on the latest numbers, seems like 0.6% of non-Chinese that were infected have passed away (5/894), while 2.6% of Chinese people infected have died (1863/72363)

[CID1990]

Isn’t the flu already in every corner of the world and has infected millions of people?

I get that we aren’t immunologists but your logic is a simple failure of mathematics and has nothing to do with the lethality of COVID-19

That's fair, but how lethal is it beyond China? From what I read it's been about twice as deadly as the flu in China, but significantly less deadly elsewhere in the world. I'm sure there's plenty of variables at play though.

In the end, I trust the scientists and medical professionals will do their best.

edit: just doing the quick math based on the latest numbers, seems like 0.6% of non-Chinese that were infected have passed away (5/894), while 2.6% of Chinese people infected have died (1863/72363)

Those numbers are about right - but we need another couple weeks when the sample size will be significantly larger. Also, a mitigating factor is the availability of state of the art medical care available in mire developed countries. We have access to membrane blood oxygenators which can help people survive the killing aspect of this virus- the respiratory lesions that lead to pneumonia and organ failure.
All of this, though, has little to do with the lethality of the virus itself

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[mainejeff]

Oh good grief. One thing I've realized since joining MAGA is that you guys are as paranoid as the libtards! Must be an "American" thing.

You don’t make a very good imposter.
In fairness, if I tried to join the TDS libtards, I wouldn’t make a very good imposter either.

I'm not an "imposter". Are people allowed to change their minds about politics on here.....or were y'all just born this way?

[BDKJMU]

You don’t make a very good imposter.
In fairness, if I tried to join the TDS libtards, I wouldn’t make a very good imposter either.

I'm not an "imposter". Are people allowed to change their minds about politics on here.....or were y'all just born this way?

Evolving is one thing. Going full TDS, to full MAGA overnight, is another..

[mainejeff]

I'm not an "imposter". Are people allowed to change their minds about politics on here.....or were y'all just born this way?

Evolving is one thing. Going full TDS, to full MAGA overnight, is another..

Well Trump switched from Dem to Rep overnight so there is a precedent!

[Ibanez]

I'd guesstimate 30-40% of the passengers in Doha airport were wearing masks. A group of Chinese travelers (all wearing masks) were walking together and it was like a parting of the Red Sea as they walked through the airport. Kinda felt bad for them.

I get it though, it's a new virus and people fear the unknown, but so far this thing is far less deadly than the flu. FFS, we have people around the world thinking the flu shot causes autism and probably doing worse damage than this thing...so not gonna fear a virus that's only infected an extremely small percentage of the Chinese population.

If the virus is part of our new reality, it is what it is. I'm sure in time a vaccine or seasonal shot will be developed.

This has already been debunked. You're probably going off the seasonal mortality percentage and not the actual rates. Millions infected. 10s of 1000s die each season. As a percentage of the infected population, yeah it's low. But in overall deaths, the flu has been killing for centuries. Where was this virus last year or the year before?

[89Hen]

I'd guesstimate 30-40% of the passengers in Doha airport were wearing masks. A group of Chinese travelers (all wearing masks) were walking together and it was like a parting of the Red Sea as they walked through the airport. Kinda felt bad for them.

I get it though, it's a new virus and people fear the unknown, but so far this thing is far less deadly than the flu. FFS, we have people around the world thinking the flu shot causes autism and probably doing worse damage than this thing...so not gonna fear a virus that's only infected an extremely small percentage of the Chinese population.

If the virus is part of our new reality, it is what it is. I'm sure in time a vaccine or seasonal shot will be developed.

This has already been debunked. You're probably going off the seasonal mortality percentage and not the actual rates. Millions infected. 10s of 1000s die each season. As a percentage of the infected population, yeah it's low. But in overall deaths, the flu has been killing for centuries. Where was this virus last year or the year before?

[Chizzang]

I'd guesstimate 30-40% of the passengers in Doha airport were wearing masks. A group of Chinese travelers (all wearing masks) were walking together and it was like a parting of the Red Sea as they walked through the airport. Kinda felt bad for them.

I get it though, it's a new virus and people fear the unknown, but so far this thing is far less deadly than the flu. FFS, we have people around the world thinking the flu shot causes autism and probably doing worse damage than this thing...so not gonna fear a virus that's only infected an extremely small percentage of the Chinese population.

If the virus is part of our new reality, it is what it is. I'm sure in time a vaccine or seasonal shot will be developed.

This has already been debunked. You're probably going off the seasonal mortality percentage and not the actual rates. Millions infected. 10s of 1000s die each season. As a percentage of the infected population, yeah it's low. But in overall deaths, the flu has been killing for centuries. Where was this virus last year or the year before?

Corona has a 2% mortality rate...
1-in-50 Corona virus contractions dies

So... you might want to check your math
I believe flu deaths are about 1-in-1,000

[JohnStOnge]

This has already been debunked. You're probably going off the seasonal mortality percentage and not the actual rates. Millions infected. 10s of 1000s die each season. As a percentage of the infected population, yeah it's low. But in overall deaths, the flu has been killing for centuries. Where was this virus last year or the year before?

Corona has a 2% mortality rate...
1-in-50 Corona virus contractions dies

So... you might want to check your math
I believe flu deaths are about 1-in-1,000

I think the 1 in 50 thing is probably wrong because it appears that there are a lot of asymptomatic infections. In other words, I think it's likely that the total number of infections is being dramatically undercounted right now. Whether counting all of the infections would get it down to 1 in 1,000 is something we'll have to see.

In any case, I think the safe bet is that the various strains of influenza combined will kill a lot more people this year than this coronavirus does. Even if the death rate is lower the infection rate is just so much higher. At this point in the United States alone we've had an estimated 14.000 people die from he flu during the 2019-2020 flu season.

[CID1990]

Corona has a 2% mortality rate...
1-in-50 Corona virus contractions dies

So... you might want to check your math
I believe flu deaths are about 1-in-1,000

In any case, I think the safe bet is that the various strains of influenza combined will kill a lot more people this year than this coronavirus does.

“Well, Duh” statement of the year



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[Chizzang]

Corona has a 2% mortality rate...
1-in-50 Corona virus contractions dies

So... you might want to check your math
I believe flu deaths are about 1-in-1,000

I think the 1 in 50 thing is probably wrong because it appears that there are a lot of asymptomatic infections. In other words, I think it's likely that the total number of infections is being dramatically undercounted right now. Whether counting all of the infections would get it down to 1 in 1,000 is something we'll have to see.

In any case, I think the safe bet is that the various strains of influenza combined will kill a lot more people this year than this coronavirus does. Even if the death rate is lower the infection rate is just so much higher. At this point in the United States alone we've had an estimated 14.000 people die from he flu during the 2019-2020 flu season.

if it stays anywhere near 1-in-50 death rate that makes it incredibly lethal by any standard
the kicker for me was the part where in patients over 60 yrs old mortality rate was 8% (4-in-50)
and in toddlers is 1-in-4 mortality rate

This "ain't the flu"

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronaviruses

[CID1990]

I think the 1 in 50 thing is probably wrong because it appears that there are a lot of asymptomatic infections. In other words, I think it's likely that the total number of infections is being dramatically undercounted right now. Whether counting all of the infections would get it down to 1 in 1,000 is something we'll have to see.

In any case, I think the safe bet is that the various strains of influenza combined will kill a lot more people this year than this coronavirus does. Even if the death rate is lower the infection rate is just so much higher. At this point in the United States alone we've had an estimated 14.000 people die from he flu during the 2019-2020 flu season.

if it stays anywhere near 1-in-50 death rate that makes it incredibly lethal by any standard
the kicker for me was the part where in patients over 60 yrs old mortality rate was 8% (4-in-50)
and in toddlers is 1-in-4 mortality rate

This "ain't the flu"

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronaviruses

I spent the long weekend intimately involved with CDC/WHO guidance on the virus and there’s a LOT of people who are dead wrong about it mainly due to simple ignorance

Here are the people who are dead wrong:

1) people who believe it is Captain Trips

2) people who think it is no big deal, a la influenza

In other news, I’m under self monitoring for 14 days


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