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kalm wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:08 pm
There’s a very good chance we won’t be out of stay at home orders until summer. The best weapons for returning to some sense of normal are hammering it now and massive financial aid. Regardless, will be years of financial consequences and economic restructuring.
Minnesota is planning moving the date of the peak and ramping up ICU capacity. More or less, sacrifice for your grandchildren, but we will have a hospital bed for you.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:23 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:08 pm

There’s a very good chance we won’t be out of stay at home orders until summer. The best weapons for returning to some sense of normal are hammering it now and massive financial aid. Regardless, will be years of financial consequences and economic restructuring.
Minnesota is planning moving the date of the peak and ramping up ICU capacity. More or less, sacrifice for your grandchildren, but we will have a hospital bed for you.
At some point that is going to be the point of flattening the curve - you can't stop the number of people who are going to get it (well, to a point you can't) but you need to buy time to get the ICU's and the equipment up and running and ready for the wave when it happens. Nothing short of a vaccine is going to stop this so buy time to be prepared and then hope you prepared enough to manage it when it happens.
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GannonFan wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:31 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:23 pm

Minnesota is planning moving the date of the peak and ramping up ICU capacity. More or less, sacrifice for your grandchildren, but we will have a hospital bed for you.
At some point that is going to be the point of flattening the curve - you can't stop the number of people who are going to get it (well, to a point you can't) but you need to buy time to get the ICU's and the equipment up and running and ready for the wave when it happens. Nothing short of a vaccine is going to stop this so buy time to be prepared and then hope you prepared enough to manage it when it happens.
Governor said we are past the point of flattening the curve. Expecting 2.5 million to have the virus by the peak, in 14 weeks. Stay at home is pushing the date out to help the ICU capacity. Otherwise 6000 people that need 235 beds in 9 weeks. He's giving it time to ramp up ICU capacity.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:38 pm
GannonFan wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:31 pm

At some point that is going to be the point of flattening the curve - you can't stop the number of people who are going to get it (well, to a point you can't) but you need to buy time to get the ICU's and the equipment up and running and ready for the wave when it happens. Nothing short of a vaccine is going to stop this so buy time to be prepared and then hope you prepared enough to manage it when it happens.
Governor said we are past the point of flattening the curve. Expecting 2.5 million to have the virus by the peak, in 14 weeks. Stay at home is pushing the date out to help the ICU capacity. Otherwise 6000 people that need 235 beds in 9 weeks. He's giving it time to ramp up ICU capacity.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:38 pm Expecting 2.5 million to have the virus by the peak, in 14 weeks.
Yikes, that's a lot!

Only 50,000,000 behind the number that got the flu this year.
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89Hen wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:55 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:38 pm Expecting 2.5 million to have the virus by the peak, in 14 weeks.
Yikes, that's a lot!

Only 50,000,000 behind the number that got the flu this year.
That's only Minnesota
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:56 pm
89Hen wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:55 pm

Yikes, that's a lot!

Only 50,000,000 behind the number that got the flu this year.
That's only Minnesota
You think he'll be right?
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89Hen wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:04 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:56 pm

That's only Minnesota
You think he'll be right?
I hope not. Would probably lose a few friends and family if that happened. Concerned about my wife for one.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:12 pm
89Hen wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:04 pm

You think he'll be right?
I hope not. Would probably lose a few friends and family if that happened. Concerned about my wife for one.
I'm with you there Gil. :thumb:
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89Hen wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:16 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:12 pm
I hope not. Would probably lose a few friends and family if that happened. Concerned about my wife for one.
I'm with you there Gil. :thumb:
Maybe there is hope for 89 ...
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GannonFan wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:31 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:23 pm

Minnesota is planning moving the date of the peak and ramping up ICU capacity. More or less, sacrifice for your grandchildren, but we will have a hospital bed for you.
At some point that is going to be the point of flattening the curve - you can't stop the number of people who are going to get it (well, to a point you can't) but you need to buy time to get the ICU's and the equipment up and running and ready for the wave when it happens. Nothing short of a vaccine is going to stop this so buy time to be prepared and then hope you prepared enough to manage it when it happens.
Permanently stop it yes. If this thing is cyclical like some docs have been saying then it will peter out, then flare up again, peter out then flare up again...
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:38 pm
GannonFan wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:31 pm

At some point that is going to be the point of flattening the curve - you can't stop the number of people who are going to get it (well, to a point you can't) but you need to buy time to get the ICU's and the equipment up and running and ready for the wave when it happens. Nothing short of a vaccine is going to stop this so buy time to be prepared and then hope you prepared enough to manage it when it happens.
Governor said we are past the point of flattening the curve. Expecting 2.5 million to have the virus by the peak, in 14 weeks. Stay at home is pushing the date out to help the ICU capacity. Otherwise 6000 people that need 235 beds in 9 weeks. He's giving it time to ramp up ICU capacity.
I've heard a number of epidemiologists saying for the last week that will likely peak in 3-4 weeks, with some areas later..
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:53 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:38 pm

Governor said we are past the point of flattening the curve. Expecting 2.5 million to have the virus by the peak, in 14 weeks. Stay at home is pushing the date out to help the ICU capacity. Otherwise 6000 people that need 235 beds in 9 weeks. He's giving it time to ramp up ICU capacity.
I've heard a number of epidemiologists saying for the last week that will likely peak in 3-4 weeks, with some areas later..
I hope you are right and the Minnesota guys are wrong.
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I think we’re going to be locked down well into the summer. I’m fully expecting to extend well past my 1 July departure date here.


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89Hen wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:16 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:12 pm

I hope not. Would probably lose a few friends and family if that happened. Concerned about my wife for one.
I'm with you there Gil. :thumb:
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:31 pm Maybe there is hope for 89 ...
Nah, I only care about children and poor.
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CID1990 wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:29 am I think we’re going to be locked down well into the summer. I’m fully expecting to extend well past my 1 July departure date here.
Yeah, no offense Cid, but we don't want folks from SE Asia here. :?
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89Hen wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:23 am
UNI88 wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:31 pm Maybe there is hope for 89 ...
Nah, I only care about children and poor.
*Fetuses.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:58 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:53 pm
I've heard a number of epidemiologists saying for the last week that will likely peak in 3-4 weeks, with some areas later..
I hope you are right and the Minnesota guys are wrong.
The company I work for has the corporate headquarters in Bloomington, MN. Right now they're working as normal, but are having people work at home where they can (and for a corporate site that can be a fair number of people).
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:38 pm
GannonFan wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:31 pm

At some point that is going to be the point of flattening the curve - you can't stop the number of people who are going to get it (well, to a point you can't) but you need to buy time to get the ICU's and the equipment up and running and ready for the wave when it happens. Nothing short of a vaccine is going to stop this so buy time to be prepared and then hope you prepared enough to manage it when it happens.
Governor said we are past the point of flattening the curve. Expecting 2.5 million to have the virus by the peak, in 14 weeks. Stay at home is pushing the date out to help the ICU capacity. Otherwise 6000 people that need 235 beds in 9 weeks. He's giving it time to ramp up ICU capacity.
That would be close to 45% of Minnesota's current 2020 5.7 million population estimate. Was he talking about confirmed positive, or also including assuming numerous untested with it?

Dr Birx clearly knows her stuff. She covers more of the data analysis side, while Dr Fauci covers more of the virus itself. Birx pointed out yesterday during the daily briefing, there's not a single country yet that has had positive tests in more than 1 in 1,000 people.
"Models are models. When people start talking about 20% of a population getting infected, it's very scary, but we don't have data that matches that based on our experience."

"There is no model right now -- no reality on the ground where we can see that 60% to 70% of Americans are going to get infected in the next eight to 12 weeks. I want to be clear about that."
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GannonFan wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:50 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:58 pm

I hope you are right and the Minnesota guys are wrong.
The company I work for has the corporate headquarters in Bloomington, MN. Right now they're working as normal, but are having people work at home where they can (and for a corporate site that can be a fair number of people).
Starting at mid-nite today, Minnesota is Shelter in Place until April 10. Companies that meet requirements, can continue to keep their office open. The rest of us work from home or don't work. One daughter is off during this, the other one works from home. My company is mandatory work from home.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:54 am
GannonFan wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:50 am

The company I work for has the corporate headquarters in Bloomington, MN. Right now they're working as normal, but are having people work at home where they can (and for a corporate site that can be a fair number of people).
Starting at mid-nite today, Minnesota is Shelter in Place until April 10. Companies that meet requirements, can continue to keep their office open. The rest of us work from home or don't work. One daughter is off during this, the other one works from home. My company is mandatory work from home.
They'll still be open. Company makes a lot of filters, and a lot goes into the medical industries. My plant here in PA is still open despite the shelter in place that PA has had instituted - sales force and marketing folks can work from home, manufacturing-related still work like nothing has changed, just with a lot more social distancing, no visitors to the site, and a lot of repetitive cleaning.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:38 pm Governor said we are past the point of flattening the curve. Expecting 2.5 million to have the virus by the peak, in 14 weeks. Stay at home is pushing the date out to help the ICU capacity. Otherwise 6000 people that need 235 beds in 9 weeks. He's giving it time to ramp up ICU capacity.
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:58 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:53 pm
I've heard a number of epidemiologists saying for the last week that will likely peak in 3-4 weeks, with some areas later..
I hope you are right and the Minnesota guys are wrong.
U Washington Study (updated daily) says national peak around April 15 and Minnesota (can click on each state) April 18.
https://www.wrbl.com/news/health/corona ... ronavirus/
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
Today's press conference Dr Birx citing study by international modelers from Harvard, Columbia, Northeastern, Imperial (UK), etc have that compares with the U of Washington study.

I wonder who the gov of Minnesota is getting his info from for a 13 week/late June peak (in deaths). Maybe you heard it wrong.
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89Hen wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:55 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:38 pm Expecting 2.5 million to have the virus by the peak, in 14 weeks.
Yikes, that's a lot!

Only 50,000,000 behind the number that got the flu this year.
I'd kick COVID's ass.
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:13 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:38 pm Governor said we are past the point of flattening the curve. Expecting 2.5 million to have the virus by the peak, in 14 weeks. Stay at home is pushing the date out to help the ICU capacity. Otherwise 6000 people that need 235 beds in 9 weeks. He's giving it time to ramp up ICU capacity.
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:58 pm

I hope you are right and the Minnesota guys are wrong.
U Washington Study (updated daily) says national peak around April 15 and Minnesota (can click on each state) April 18.
https://www.wrbl.com/news/health/corona ... ronavirus/
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
Today's press conference Dr Birx citing study by international modelers from Harvard, Columbia, Northeastern, Imperial (UK), etc have that compares with the U of Washington study.

I wonder who the gov of Minnesota is getting his info from for a 13 week/late June peak (in deaths). Maybe you heard it wrong.
Hoping for the UW study, planning for the Minnesota study.
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