Welcome To Hell, Elon

[GannonFan]

Agreed. Once you hear that "privatizing profits, socializing losses" line it's almost the Nazi/fascist equivalent for when an argument jumps the shark and they fall back on that. Some people are still pissed that we let businesses depreciate capital spending over 10 years - they consider that a subsidy or a give-away.

Except that privatizing profits, and socializing losses has been the US economic model for decades.

Who is pissed about depreciating capital spending?

Everytime people try to put a dollar figure on the "subsidies" that private industry gets, they also include every "tax break" imaginable to increase the dollar amount. And yes, depreciating capital spending, which can be huge in capital heavy industries (such as the fossil fuel industry) is part of those calculations and what people use to justify their "privatizing profits, socializing losses" line.

[Winterborn]

You say that but it is plain from your posts that you neither know what it means to reach it nor maintain it.

Enjoy your mediocrity.

Oh…well…I apologize.

Mediocrity as I think you’re implying is the old bull - young bull standing on a hill story applied to economics.

No need to apologize. It is what you believe should be applicable, and while I think it is a short-sighted and slightly naive way of thinking as it does not account for certain human aspects, I support your every right to hold that viewpoint.

And that is not what I am implying. Your particular political philosophy, IMHO, does not take into account the finer points of what drives us as humans and the consequences of certain policies.

At the end of the day, we may not agree on much politically (outside of a few large buckets of ideas) but that doesn't change my opinion of you as a human being. After all, us assholes need to stick together. That and I need a new socialist friend, that last one went off the deep end and full fem-nazi.

[kalm]

Oh…well…I apologize.

Mediocrity as I think you’re implying is the old bull - young bull standing on a hill story applied to economics.

No need to apologize. It is what you believe should be applicable, and while I think it is a short-sighted and slightly naive way of thinking as it does not account for certain human aspects, I support your every right to hold that viewpoint.

And that is not what I am implying. Your particular political philosophy, IMHO, does not take into account the finer points of what drives us as humans and the consequences of certain policies.

At the end of the day, we may not agree on much politically (outside of a few large buckets of ideas) but that doesn't change my opinion of you as a human being. After all, us assholes need to stick together. That and I need a new socialist friend, that last one went off the deep end and full fem-nazi.

^ this is the far greater fundamental political discussion! The intersection of politics and human nature/philosophy.

I think humans are mostly born of good nature. Helpful, sharing, grateful for the bounty Mother Nature provides, respectful of their nurturing environment.

We are then corrupted by culture, political systems, false virtues and lastly over-population.

How you manage that large population is politics. Authoritarian control via the state or the chaos of freedom?

Somewhere in the middle is the obvious answer.

Welcome to America!



(I may be accused sometimes of kumbayaism and how things should be versus an existentialist reality, but then my counterparts on the right have a greed is good blindness as well)

[Pwns]

A whole lot of spin here for an acquisition that can't be described as anything other than a dumpster fire.

I've known Musk was a fraud years ago but I'm honestly surprised at just how unprepared and dumb he is and you've even got networks like Fox Business saying he'll never recoup what he paid for Twitter.

We have one group of people who really believe a guy that makes expensive electric cars with crap reliability will build cities on Mars and mine asteroids and another that thinks we can "diversity, equity, and inclusion" our way ahead of the Chinese.

[UNI88]

A whole lot of spin here for an acquisition that can't be described as anything other than a dumpster fire.

I've known Musk was a fraud years ago but I'm honestly surprised at just how unprepared and dumb he is and you've even got networks like Fox Business saying he'll never recoup what he paid for Twitter.

We have one group of people who really believe a guy that makes expensive electric cars with crap reliability will build cities on Mars and mine asteroids and another that thinks we can "diversity, equity, and inclusion" our way ahead of the Chinese.

I think Musk is an interesting dude, not a fraud. What he's accomplished with Tesla, Space X, etc. is pretty amazing*.

• He might lose a fortune on Twitter. But he has multiple fortunes to lose so he'll probably be okay regardless of whether he turns Twitter around or not.
• Based on how fast things went south with Twitter, it was probably a dumpster fire waiting to happen and Musk just accelerated the process.
• The ideological fringes have a love/hate relationship with Musk. He made electric cars cool (liberals should love that) but he's opposed to cancel culture to tweak pseudo-progressives like Fauxahontas (conservatives love that).

* Yes kalm, he took advantage of government programs to make these things happen but they don't happen in a vacuum and if you reduce the incentives (financial rewards, public acclaim, etc.) to put in the effort and take the risks necessary to achieve these kinds of things then you will reduce innovation in the long-term and that will have a negative impact on our quality of life in the future.

[Winterborn]

No need to apologize. It is what you believe should be applicable, and while I think it is a short-sighted and slightly naive way of thinking as it does not account for certain human aspects, I support your every right to hold that viewpoint.

And that is not what I am implying. Your particular political philosophy, IMHO, does not take into account the finer points of what drives us as humans and the consequences of certain policies.

At the end of the day, we may not agree on much politically (outside of a few large buckets of ideas) but that doesn't change my opinion of you as a human being. After all, us assholes need to stick together. That and I need a new socialist friend, that last one went off the deep end and full fem-nazi.

^ this is the far greater fundamental political discussion! The intersection of politics and human nature/philosophy.

I think humans are mostly born of good nature. Helpful, sharing, grateful for the bounty Mother Nature provides, respectful of their nurturing environment.

We are then corrupted by culture, political systems, false virtues and lastly over-population.

How you manage that large population is politics. Authoritarian control via the state or the chaos of freedom?

Somewhere in the middle is the obvious answer.

Welcome to America!



(I may be accused sometimes of kumbayaism and how things should be versus an existentialist reality, but then my counterparts on the right have a greed is good blindness as well)

Intersection implies a separation. One cannot have a true political discussion without incorporating human nature.

And I do not think we are mostly born of a good nature at all, it is actually the opposite. It is only through other means (society, family, etc.) that those impulses are curbed or guided into a more constructive nature.

Which is basically the whole nature vs. nurture debate. Everything is interconnected.

[Winterborn]

A whole lot of spin here for an acquisition that can't be described as anything other than a dumpster fire.

I've known Musk was a fraud years ago but I'm honestly surprised at just how unprepared and dumb he is and you've even got networks like Fox Business saying he'll never recoup what he paid for Twitter.

We have one group of people who really believe a guy that makes expensive electric cars with crap reliability will build cities on Mars and mine asteroids and another that thinks we can "diversity, equity, and inclusion" our way ahead of the Chinese.

I would rather die when my dome on Mars ruptures (or my spaceship on the way gets hit by a micrometeorite) and my body flash freezes, than get purged for wrong think by the "diversity, equity, and inclusion" mob.

(And Musk's cars are not great or good (they have a cool factor) I would agree. A good friend of mine worked for the NHSTA for a decade and the stories about Tesla he can tell are eye opening).

[kalm]

^ this is the far greater fundamental political discussion! The intersection of politics and human nature/philosophy.

I think humans are mostly born of good nature. Helpful, sharing, grateful for the bounty Mother Nature provides, respectful of their nurturing environment.

We are then corrupted by culture, political systems, false virtues and lastly over-population.

How you manage that large population is politics. Authoritarian control via the state or the chaos of freedom?

Somewhere in the middle is the obvious answer.

Welcome to America!



(I may be accused sometimes of kumbayaism and how things should be versus an existentialist reality, but then my counterparts on the right have a greed is good blindness as well)

Intersection implies a separation. One cannot have a true political discussion without incorporating human nature.

And I do not think we are mostly born of a good nature at all, it is actually the opposite. It is only through other means (society, family, etc.) that those impulses are curbed or guided into a more constructive nature.

Which is basically the whole nature vs. nurture debate. Everything is interconnected.

Are these roads separating or coming together at a certain point?





Can’t nurturing be a part of nature? The parent naturally loves and cares for their infant and in some instances adoptive infants of others or even other species?

Or cooperation? Are we born with an impulse to NOT cooperate?

“All things are parts of one single system, which is called nature; the individual life is good when it is in harmony with nature.”

– Zeno of Citium.

“Philosophy requires only what your nature already demands.”

- Marcus Aurelius

[Winterborn]

Intersection implies a separation. One cannot have a true political discussion without incorporating human nature.

And I do not think we are mostly born of a good nature at all, it is actually the opposite. It is only through other means (society, family, etc.) that those impulses are curbed or guided into a more constructive nature.

Which is basically the whole nature vs. nurture debate. Everything is interconnected.

Are these roads separating or coming together at a certain point?





Can’t nurturing be a part of nature? The parent naturally loves and cares for their infant and in some instances adoptive infants of others or even other species?

Or cooperation? Are we born with an impulse to NOT cooperate?

“All things are parts of one single system, which is called nature; the individual life is good when it is in harmony with nature.”

– Zeno of Citium.

“Philosophy requires only what your nature already demands.”

- Marcus Aurelius

Or are they the same road, just different portions of that road?

[kalm]

Are these roads separating or coming together at a certain point?





Can’t nurturing be a part of nature? The parent naturally loves and cares for their infant and in some instances adoptive infants of others or even other species?

Or cooperation? Are we born with an impulse to NOT cooperate?

“All things are parts of one single system, which is called nature; the individual life is good when it is in harmony with nature.”

– Zeno of Citium.

“Philosophy requires only what your nature already demands.”

- Marcus Aurelius

Or are they the same road, just different portions of that road?

You son of a bitch!

[Winterborn]

Or are they the same road, just different portions of that road?

You son of a bitch!

To me politics is like scum on the top of a pasture water tank in the summer. It is what everybody first sees and discusses, but the reason for that scum lies deeper and that is the important bit that needs to be addressed first. Underneath politics lies the messy world of humanity and motivations, there are no clear answers, just general truths that we can glean from History and the examples it provides us with.

[houndawg]

A whole lot of spin here for an acquisition that can't be described as anything other than a dumpster fire.

I've known Musk was a fraud years ago but I'm honestly surprised at just how unprepared and dumb he is and you've even got networks like Fox Business saying he'll never recoup what he paid for Twitter.

We have one group of people who really believe a guy that makes expensive electric cars with crap reliability will build cities on Mars and mine asteroids and another that thinks we can "diversity, equity, and inclusion" our way ahead of the Chinese.

I don't think he will, I just want to offer him encouragement to make the trip.

[Pwns]

Check out this thread. Twitter was clearly not forthright in how it enforces policies.

Yeah Twitter has the legal right yadda yadda, that doesn't make it a good idea.

[Baldy]

Check out this thread. Twitter was clearly not forthright in how it enforces policies.

Yeah Twitter has the legal right yadda yadda, that doesn't make it a good idea.

When he was CEO, Jack Dorsey testified before Congress that Twitter didn't "shadowban" accounts. That's where the problem lies now...

[kalm]

[kalm]

Free speech! Public square!

[BDKJMU]

Free speech! Public square!

Kalm, along with the rest of the left, has developed a bad case of EDS…

[dbackjon]

When eLoon goes bankrupt, he can get a job as Katie Porter's whiteboard

[kalm]

Free speech! Public square!

Kalm, along with the rest of the left, has developed a bad case of EDS…

We’re only here for you because we care!

[kalm]

When eLoon goes bankrupt, he can get a job as Katie Porter's whiteboard

This.

(Love me some Katie Porter)

[houndawg]

^ this is the far greater fundamental political discussion! The intersection of politics and human nature/philosophy.

I think humans are mostly born of good nature. Helpful, sharing, grateful for the bounty Mother Nature provides, respectful of their nurturing environment.

We are then corrupted by culture, political systems, false virtues and lastly over-population.

How you manage that large population is politics. Authoritarian control via the state or the chaos of freedom?

Somewhere in the middle is the obvious answer.

Welcome to America!



(I may be accused sometimes of kumbayaism and how things should be versus an existentialist reality, but then my counterparts on the right have a greed is good blindness as well)

Intersection implies a separation. One cannot have a true political discussion without incorporating human nature.

And I do not think we are mostly born of a good nature at all, it is actually the opposite. It is only through other means (society, family, etc.) that those impulses are curbed or guided into a more constructive nature.

Which is basically the whole nature vs. nurture debate. Everything is interconnected.

Understandable, I wouldn't either if I hung around your crowd.

[kalm]

Several left leaning journalists CNN, NYT, WaPo) are being banned from Twitter tonight.

[HI54UNI]

Several left leaning journalists CNN, NYT, WaPo) are being banned from Twitter tonight.

Were they involved with the doxxing of his location in violation of TOS?

[SDHornet]

Several left leaning journalists CNN, NYT, WaPo) are being banned from Twitter tonight.

ThEy ShOuLd BuIlD tHeIr OwN

[SDHornet]

Several left leaning journalists CNN, NYT, WaPo) are being banned from Twitter tonight.

Were they involved with the doxxing of his location in violation of TOS?

Yes, but klammy doesn't care about that, he wants the headlines.