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Re: jd vance/James Hamel/James Donald Bowman gaffe and verbal bungles watch

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 4:45 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:22 pm
Hence why Vance is by far the scarier potential. He really believes all this crap as real truths. He's the idealogue.
What is not true?
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Re: jd vance/James Hamel/James Donald Bowman gaffe and verbal bungles watch

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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:28 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 4:45 am

What is not true?
Witness tactic #71 from the MAQA yahoo playbook:
When trump or one of his sycophants is criticized/mocked and you don't have a good response, find an older post to respond to and try to bury the criticism/mockery.
Calm down

Just giving gf and opportunity
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Re: jd vance/James Hamel/James Donald Bowman gaffe and verbal bungles watch

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:46 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:28 am
Witness tactic #71 from the MAQA yahoo playbook:
When trump or one of his sycophants is criticized/mocked and you don't have a good response, find an older post to respond to and try to bury the criticism/mockery.
Calm down

Just giving gf and opportunity
His post has been sitting there for almost 3 months. Why did you wait until now to give him that "opportunity"?
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Re: jd vance/James Hamel/James Donald Bowman gaffe and verbal bungles watch

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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:48 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:46 am

Calm down

Just giving gf and opportunity
His post has been sitting there for almost 3 months. Why did you wait until now to give him that "opportunity"?
Because I just read it this morning
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Re: jd vance/James Hamel/James Donald Bowman gaffe and verbal bungles watch

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:49 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:48 am
His post has been sitting there for almost 3 months. Why did you wait until now to give him that "opportunity"?
Because I just read it this morning
What a coincidence. A coincidence that is less believable than biden getting "11 million more votes than Obama".

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newsom trolls vance ...

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TBF - World Population Review looks like a biased source otherwise Illinois whould be included.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jul 30, 2025 6:30 pm newsom trolls vance ...

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TBF - World Population Review looks like a biased source otherwise Illinois whould be included.
I actually looked up gerrymandering and measures of it before even seeing this post and I happened to see what was included in that tweet. Seems to me it's the same problem with Fact Check sites - they make bold pronouncements, but how they get there (i.e. the details) gets covered over. Vance seems to have a point on the percentage of votes for one party being pretty far away from the percentage of Congressional seats. Surprisingly, a lot of the sites purporting to measure gerrymandering don't seem to include that data analysis.
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GannonFan wrote: Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:09 am
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jul 30, 2025 6:30 pm newsom trolls vance ...

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TBF - World Population Review looks like a biased source otherwise Illinois would be included.
I actually looked up gerrymandering and measures of it before even seeing this post and I happened to see what was included in that tweet. Seems to me it's the same problem with Fact Check sites - they make bold pronouncements, but how they get there (i.e. the details) gets covered over. Vance seems to have a point on the percentage of votes for one party being pretty far away from the percentage of Congressional seats. Surprisingly, a lot of the sites purporting to measure gerrymandering don't seem to include that data analysis.
True so I asked ChatGPT "Which states are most misaligned when you compare congressional representation to presidential voting percentage by party" and it responded:
States with Notable Misalignment
Republican Overrepresentation
These states have House delegations that significantly favor Republicans relative to Trump’s rule share of the presidential vote:
  • Texas: GOP held 66% of House seats while capturing 54% of the presidential vote, a +4.3 excess seats edge
  • Ohio: Republicans won 67% of seats with 57% vote share, about +2.5 excess seats
  • Florida: GOP gained approximately +1 House seat advantage above what Trump’s ~52–55% vote share would predict
  • Wisconsin: 75% of House seats for Republicans vs. 51% vote share, +2‑3 seats
  • North Carolina & Michigan: Both gave Republicans about +2 excess seats, despite more balanced presidential votes, 50–53% Democratic votes in Michigan, ~51% Republican in North Carolina
Democratic Overrepresentation
These states favor Democrats in House delegation relative to Biden's 2020 (as a proxy) vote share:
  • California: Democrats received around 8–8.4 excess seats, holding well over 80% of House seats while winning 58% of presidential vote
  • Illinois: Democrats had +1.7 seat advantage, overrepresented relative to their 55% vote share
Total of the 8 states with the greatest misalignment:
Republicans:+14 (plus potentially 5 more with the proposed Texas remap)
Democrats: +10

I'm sure ChatGPT isn't perfect but it gives you a pretty good idea of the misalignment. vance isn't wrong California (it's the worst of the bunch) but Republicans more than make up for it with more states and don't have a lot to complain about.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:32 am
GannonFan wrote: Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:09 am

I actually looked up gerrymandering and measures of it before even seeing this post and I happened to see what was included in that tweet. Seems to me it's the same problem with Fact Check sites - they make bold pronouncements, but how they get there (i.e. the details) gets covered over. Vance seems to have a point on the percentage of votes for one party being pretty far away from the percentage of Congressional seats. Surprisingly, a lot of the sites purporting to measure gerrymandering don't seem to include that data analysis.
True so I asked ChatGPT "Which states are most misaligned when you compare congressional representation to presidential voting percentage by party" and it responded:
States with Notable Misalignment
Republican Overrepresentation
These states have House delegations that significantly favor Republicans relative to Trump’s rule share of the presidential vote:
  • Texas: GOP held 66% of House seats while capturing 54% of the presidential vote, a +4.3 excess seats edge
  • Ohio: Republicans won 67% of seats with 57% vote share, about +2.5 excess seats
  • Florida: GOP gained approximately +1 House seat advantage above what Trump’s ~52–55% vote share would predict
  • Wisconsin: 75% of House seats for Republicans vs. 51% vote share, +2‑3 seats
  • North Carolina & Michigan: Both gave Republicans about +2 excess seats, despite more balanced presidential votes, 50–53% Democratic votes in Michigan, ~51% Republican in North Carolina
Democratic Overrepresentation
These states favor Democrats in House delegation relative to Biden's 2020 (as a proxy) vote share:
  • California: Democrats received around 8–8.4 excess seats, holding well over 80% of House seats while winning 58% of presidential vote
  • Illinois: Democrats had +1.7 seat advantage, overrepresented relative to their 55% vote share
Total of the 8 states with the greatest misalignment:
Republicans:+14 (plus potentially 5 more with the proposed Texas remap)
Democrats: +10

I'm sure ChatGPT isn't perfect but it gives you a pretty good idea of the misalignment. vance isn't wrong California (it's the worst of the bunch) but Republicans more than make up for it with more states and don't have a lot to complain about.
Thanks, that's actually good stuff. And yes, I'm not surprised that it doesn't jibe with whatever any one particular politician is spouting from either side of the aisle. And yes, I'm pretty sure, at the end of the day, we'd see a lot of gerrymandering from both sides. Maybe sometimes it favors Republicans, other times Democrats. And both parties will fight tooth and nail to reduce the gerrymandering from the other side while boosting their own. Politics.
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Vance Dismisses ‘Wrong’ Conservative Icon Scalia Over Flag-Burning
“Yes, if I were king, I would not allow people to go about burning the American flag,” Scalia said.

“However, we have a First Amendment, which says that the right of free speech shall not be abridged. And it is addressed, in particular, to speech critical of the government. I mean, that was the main kind of speech that tyrants would seek to suppress.”

And in 2015, he told a meeting in Philadelphia, “If it were up to me, I would put in jail every sandal-wearing, scruffy-bearded weirdo who burns the American flag. But I am not king.”

The words of Scalia, who died in February 2016, echoed through the MAGA-sphere, presenting a dilemma: To side with Trump or side with the conservative judicial movement’s most significant figure.
Scalia is a giant as judge and a conservative, vance is a gnat.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 1:16 pm

Vance Dismisses ‘Wrong’ Conservative Icon Scalia Over Flag-Burning
“Yes, if I were king, I would not allow people to go about burning the American flag,” Scalia said.

“However, we have a First Amendment, which says that the right of free speech shall not be abridged. And it is addressed, in particular, to speech critical of the government. I mean, that was the main kind of speech that tyrants would seek to suppress.”

And in 2015, he told a meeting in Philadelphia, “If it were up to me, I would put in jail every sandal-wearing, scruffy-bearded weirdo who burns the American flag. But I am not king.”

The words of Scalia, who died in February 2016, echoed through the MAGA-sphere, presenting a dilemma: To side with Trump or side with the conservative judicial movement’s most significant figure.
Scalia is a giant as judge and a conservative, vance is a gnat.
The left: You can burn the American flag!
The left: You can‘t leave skid marks on a Pride Flag painted onto a roadway!
One example of dozens from the last 5 years..
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I have burned out on everyone I have seen. One made the local paper
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Bobcat wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 1:32 pm I have burned out on everyone I have seen. One made the local paper
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 1:30 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 1:16 pm

Vance Dismisses ‘Wrong’ Conservative Icon Scalia Over Flag-Burning

Scalia is a giant as judge and a conservative, vance is a gnat.
The left: You can burn the American flag!
The left: You can‘t leave skid marks on a Pride Flag painted onto a roadway!
One example of dozens from the last 5 years..
Apples to oranges. I can burn, sign, put my photo on, etc. an American flag that I own. I can't do that to someone else's property whether it's an American flag or a Pride flag. Freedom of speech does not protect illegal conduct, even if the conduct is meant to express an idea. Vandalism and/or destruction of government property is typically illegal conduct.

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UNI88 wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 1:43 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 1:30 pm
The left: You can burn the American flag!
The left: You can‘t leave skid marks on a Pride Flag painted onto a roadway!
One example of dozens from the last 5 years..
Apples to oranges. I can burn, sign, put my photo on, etc. an American flag that I own. I can't do that to someone else's property whether it's an American flag or a Pride flag. Freedom of speech does not protect illegal conduct, even if the conduct is meant to express an idea. Vandalism and/or destruction of government property is typically illegal conduct.

Scalia is a giant as judge and a conservative, vance is a gnat.
Destruction of govt property only to the level of burning rubber on any regular street markings would be. Not hate crime like the left tries to make it.
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kalm wrote: Fri Aug 29, 2025 8:49 am The next president is a sharp one.



"Just Dance" vance should take his own advice.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Aug 29, 2025 4:10 pm
He’s a natural at being an insult comedian. Great comedy is self deprecating. Insult comedians have to maintain their persona (or insecurity) at “owning the opponent.” Jokes toward oneself are never appreciated.
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‘I wouldn’t go fishing right now’: JD Vance sparks backlash after joking about controversial US strikes on Venezuelan boats







Would Just Dance go kayaking with his family?

Is it fair to send a missile after a douchebag who asks for the water level to be raised so he has ideal kayaking conditions?
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Full of shit and glamorizing violence is no way to go through life, son.
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