The Ukraine Crisis

[CID1990]

If there's an escalation - it will be chemical or biological before nuclear.

Agreed with caveats-

I don’t believe the Russians are as advanced with biological agents as everybody gives them credit for. Plus, bio agents are slow acting and Putin is impatient.

Chemical on the other hand…. Putin had no qualms about turning a critic into a walking nerve agent hot zone in London with Novichok, so yeah… I think he may employ nerve agents

But things are accelerating quickly and my fear is that he may skip to the tac nukes … not against Ukraine but against Poland. If that sounds irrational, well, it is. And Putin is not rational. The longer Ukraine holds out against Putin’s Potemkin Army, the greater the risk.


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[SeattleGriz]

Even Hillary is getting in on the banning of Russian products.

[Winterborn]

Even Hillary is getting in on the banning of Russian products.

The Bee has been one shining beacon of laughter these past few years.

[Winterborn]

Isn't she the one that said we are in a climate crises and we need to "shutdown" all oil companies so we can then transition to "green" energy?

[SeattleGriz]

StOnge says PolitiFact is awesome. Here they debunk Victoria Nulands testimony with their fact check. No labs in Ukraine.

There are no US-run biolabs in Ukraine, contrary to social media posts

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... ary-socia/

[Winterborn]

Reminds me of Germany.

Vladimir Putin has sacked his top generals and is 'raging' at the FSB after failed intelligence and poor strategy saw his troops handed a series of embarrassing defeats in the opening days of the war in Ukraine.

Oleksiy Danilov, head of Ukraine's security council, said 'around eight' Russian commanders have been fired since the start of the conflict as Moscow scrambles to change strategy after its attempted 'shock and awe' blitz fell flat.

Putin is also said to be infuriated with commanders of the FSB security service - which he used to run - for handing him intelligence suggesting that Ukraine was weak, riddled with neo-Nazi groups, and would give up easily if attacked

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... lures.html

[JohnStOnge]

Hindsight is 20:20 and I wasn't paying attention to this until a few weeks before Russian invaded. But I think it is a shame that the US and/or NATO didn't go ahead and do military things early on as soon as there were indications that this was coming.

My understanding is that US intelligence started saying this was coming in November. I wonder what would have happened if the US and/or NATO would have said, as soon as this was suspected, that they were going to do military exercises in Ukraine. Russia was in "Oh well we are not planing to invade" mode.

There may have been some posturing. But doing that might have given Putin the chance to wind down while acting like nothing was going on anyway.

Now we are in a different situation. Putin has committed and, I think, feels he can't be seen as backing down.

[AZGrizFan]

Hindsight is 20:20 and I wasn't paying attention to this until a few weeks before Russian invaded. But I think it is a shame that the US and/or NATO didn't go ahead and do military things early on as soon as there were indications that this was coming.

My understanding is that US intelligence started saying this was coming in November. I wonder what would have happened if the US and/or NATO would have said, as soon as this was suspected, that they were going to do military exercises in Ukraine. Russia was in "Oh well we are not planing to invade" mode.

There may have been some posturing. But doing that might have given Putin the chance to wind down while acting like nothing was going on anyway.

Now we are in a different situation. Putin has committed and, I think, feels he can't be seen as backing down.

Thank your hero, Brandon.

[JohnStOnge]

StOnge says PolitiFact is awesome. Here they debunk Victoria Nulands testimony with their fact check. No labs in Ukraine.

There are no US-run biolabs in Ukraine, contrary to social media posts

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... ary-socia/

I watched the video. All she said is that there are biological research facilities. Wow. She also said that if there were any chemical or biological weapons attaches in Ukraine it would be the Russians doing it.

With respect to the Politifact piece: They said there are no US run biological weapons labs. That does not contradict what she said. She just said there are biological research facilities.

[SeattleGriz]

StOnge says PolitiFact is awesome. Here they debunk Victoria Nulands testimony with their fact check. No labs in Ukraine.


https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... ary-socia/

I watched the video. All she said is that there are biological research facilities. Wow. She also said that if there were any chemical or biological weapons attaches in Ukraine it would be the Russians doing it.

With respect to the Politifact piece: They said there are no US run biological weapons labs. That does not contradict what she said. She just said there are biological research facilities.

Biological research facilities we just happen to not want the Russians to enter. What is so worrisome the US doesn't want another nation to see what is there.

[BDKJMU]

Hindsight is 20:20 and I wasn't paying attention to this until a few weeks before Russian invaded. But I think it is a shame that the US and/or NATO didn't go ahead and do military things early on as soon as there were indications that this was coming.

My understanding is that US intelligence started saying this was coming in November. I wonder what would have happened if the US and/or NATO would have said, as soon as this was suspected, that they were going to do military exercises in Ukraine. Russia was in "Oh well we are not planing to invade" mode.

There may have been some posturing. But doing that might have given Putin the chance to wind down while acting like nothing was going on anyway.

Now we are in a different situation. Putin has committed and, I think, feels he can't be seen as backing down.

Well look who is in charge. Your hero Brandon, Commiela, woke General Dufus and the Sec State ‘A Taliban takeover isn’t inevitable’ and ‘the ANA is fully capable of defending themselves’; let’s leave all that equipment behind, what could possibly go wrong?

[SDHornet]

StOnge says PolitiFact is awesome. Here they debunk Victoria Nulands testimony with their fact check. No labs in Ukraine.

There are no US-run biolabs in Ukraine, contrary to social media posts

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... ary-socia/

[SDHornet]

Hindsight is 20:20 and I wasn't paying attention to this until a few weeks before Russian invaded. But I think it is a shame that the US and/or NATO didn't go ahead and do military things early on as soon as there were indications that this was coming.

My understanding is that US intelligence started saying this was coming in November. I wonder what would have happened if the US and/or NATO would have said, as soon as this was suspected, that they were going to do military exercises in Ukraine. Russia was in "Oh well we are not planing to invade" mode.

There may have been some posturing. But doing that might have given Putin the chance to wind down while acting like nothing was going on anyway.

Now we are in a different situation. Putin has committed and, I think, feels he can't be seen as backing down.

Go over there, pick up a rifle and help them fight. I'll cover your airfare. No joke.

[SDHornet]

StOnge says PolitiFact is awesome. Here they debunk Victoria Nulands testimony with their fact check. No labs in Ukraine.


https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... ary-socia/

I watched the video. All she said is that there are biological research facilities. Wow. She also said that if there were any chemical or biological weapons attaches in Ukraine it would be the Russians doing it.

With respect to the Politifact piece: They said there are no US run biological weapons labs. That does not contradict what she said. She just said there are biological research facilities.

Not a surprise you bought this load of bullshit...

...but it makes sense give you buy the bullshit narratives on the China Virus. One and the same to anyone with a functioning brain.

[SDHornet]

[CID1990]

Hindsight is 20:20 and I wasn't paying attention to this until a few weeks before Russian invaded. But I think it is a shame that the US and/or NATO didn't go ahead and do military things early on as soon as there were indications that this was coming.

My understanding is that US intelligence started saying this was coming in November. I wonder what would have happened if the US and/or NATO would have said, as soon as this was suspected, that they were going to do military exercises in Ukraine. Russia was in "Oh well we are not planing to invade" mode.

There may have been some posturing. But doing that might have given Putin the chance to wind down while acting like nothing was going on anyway.

Now we are in a different situation. Putin has committed and, I think, feels he can't be seen as backing down.

This just shows that you understand nothing about NATO and also it shows that you have judgment similar to Donald Trump


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[Ibanez]

Hindsight is 20:20 and I wasn't paying attention to this until a few weeks before Russian invaded. But I think it is a shame that the US and/or NATO didn't go ahead and do military things early on as soon as there were indications that this was coming.

My understanding is that US intelligence started saying this was coming in November. I wonder what would have happened if the US and/or NATO would have said, as soon as this was suspected, that they were going to do military exercises in Ukraine. Russia was in "Oh well we are not planing to invade" mode.

There may have been some posturing. But doing that might have given Putin the chance to wind down while acting like nothing was going on anyway.

Now we are in a different situation. Putin has committed and, I think, feels he can't be seen as backing down.

Intelligent people knew this was coming for years.

[Winterborn]

Hindsight is 20:20 and I wasn't paying attention to this until a few weeks before Russian invaded. But I think it is a shame that the US and/or NATO didn't go ahead and do military things early on as soon as there were indications that this was coming.

My understanding is that US intelligence started saying this was coming in November. I wonder what would have happened if the US and/or NATO would have said, as soon as this was suspected, that they were going to do military exercises in Ukraine. Russia was in "Oh well we are not planing to invade" mode.

There may have been some posturing. But doing that might have given Putin the chance to wind down while acting like nothing was going on anyway.

Now we are in a different situation. Putin has committed and, I think, feels he can't be seen as backing down.

This just shows that you understand nothing about NATO and also it shows that you have judgment similar to Donald Trump


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[Ibanez]

Hindsight is 20:20 and I wasn't paying attention to this until a few weeks before Russian invaded. But I think it is a shame that the US and/or NATO didn't go ahead and do military things early on as soon as there were indications that this was coming.

My understanding is that US intelligence started saying this was coming in November. I wonder what would have happened if the US and/or NATO would have said, as soon as this was suspected, that they were going to do military exercises in Ukraine. Russia was in "Oh well we are not planing to invade" mode.

There may have been some posturing. But doing that might have given Putin the chance to wind down while acting like nothing was going on anyway.

Now we are in a different situation. Putin has committed and, I think, feels he can't be seen as backing down.

This just shows that you understand nothing about NATO and also it shows that you have judgment similar to Donald Trump


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Yup. JSO is essentially asking to escalate the conflict from a 1:1 to 31:1.

I understand the sentiment - why aren't we doing more to stop the fighting but we have a web of entangled alliances and a fear of the last two world wars, ~80-110 years ago. The world isn't ready for that sort of bloodshed. The full of weight of NATO against Russia would escalate this conflict to the point that we may actually see nukes get launched as it's clear that Putin is unhinged and disconnected from reality.

[SeattleGriz]

Russia is supposedly bringing proof of US biolab efforts to the UN table this morning.

[HI54UNI]

Hindsight is 20:20 and I wasn't paying attention to this until a few weeks before Russian invaded. But I think it is a shame that the US and/or NATO didn't go ahead and do military things early on as soon as there were indications that this was coming.

My understanding is that US intelligence started saying this was coming in November. I wonder what would have happened if the US and/or NATO would have said, as soon as this was suspected, that they were going to do military exercises in Ukraine. Russia was in "Oh well we are not planing to invade" mode.

There may have been some posturing. But doing that might have given Putin the chance to wind down while acting like nothing was going on anyway.

Now we are in a different situation. Putin has committed and, I think, feels he can't be seen as backing down.

Go over there, pick up a rifle and help them fight. I'll cover your airfare. No joke.

I saw the other day you could buy a one way ticket to Poland for under $500 and then walk across the border. I suggested to Trip the other day that he could go over there and fight as well. Maybe we can get a two-fer on the tickets.

[houndawg]

Somebody has obviously never realized that that the Keystone XL won't have anything to do with gasoline prices and will be only tranporting Canadian tar sands oil to a refinery in Texas for sale overseas

And: Why should a foreign company be allowed to take land from American citizens by eminent domain?

Why are you repeating that obviously dumb talking point?

Keystone XL would not have been online in time to affect prices today but the idea that Canadian oil somehow is already spoken for and cannot be purchased domestically is stupid, and being pushed by people who think you’re stupid.


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Tarsands oil is used for stuff like roofing shingles and sealing boat hulls and doesn't affect gasoline prices.

Why can foreign companies take private property in America by eminent domain?

[houndawg]

Somebody has obviously never realized that that the Keystone XL won't have anything to do with gasoline prices and will be only tranporting Canadian tar sands oil to a refinery in Texas for sale overseas

And: Why should a foreign company be allowed to take land from American citizens by eminent domain?

And I said nothing about what the Keystone XL may or may not do. I commented specifically on the safety record of pipelines. Which you are conveniently sidestepping and trying to change the topic.

Look up the data and post it.

...you're the one that changed the topic to safety from gasoline prices.

[houndawg]

Go over there, pick up a rifle and help them fight. I'll cover your airfare. No joke.

I saw the other day you could buy a one way ticket to Poland for under $500 and then walk across the border. I suggested to Trip the other day that he could go over there and fight as well. Maybe we can get a two-fer on the tickets.

...gonna raise me an Army of some tough sonsabitches/ I'll recruit my Army from the orphanages...

shit, I'll bet we got a whole MEAL Team of Gravy Seals right here on this site.... MEAL Team 8

[houndawg]

Keystone is in operation, I'm talking about the Keystone XL which will only be transporting foreign oil of very low quality to Texas across the largest aquifer in the nation. Tar sands oil has to be transported at higher pressure guaranteeing more than the usual amount of leakage. Oil is a big deal but not as big a deal as fresh water - I think we can all agree on that.

If it was only just as simple as if the pipeline were in operation or not. However, in the big picture, energy policy is much more than just one pipeline. The current administration has made it very clear that they are in favor of phasing out fossil fuels (not a bad goal, per se) and they are in favor of doing it as quickly as they can. While not a bad goal, everything is in the timing. We're not anywhere close to being able to turn off the oil supply and go all renewables, and we're likely decades away from that. Where the damage to the economy comes in the meantime, and this includes gas prices, is when you advertise that you are anti-fossil fuels to the extent that the current administration has, then you've made any investment in anything related to fossil fuels so unattractive that those business have to turn elsewhere. Therefore capital spend on new drilling dries up, the ability to quickly turn on and off supply goes away, and you generally start to increase gas prices as a result. Throw in an ill-timed war, happening partly because of previous poor performance on the world stage by this administration (and certainly by previous ones, no doubt), and you have a genuine gas price crisis. Plus it starts to make people more aware of the incredibly regressive tax (i.e. hurts poorer people far more than richer people) on gas. Quite the conundrum for the current administration, and largely of their own doing.

They(oil) have thousands of leases they can drill whenever they want and their profits are at record levels. They can turn it on whenever they feel theres enough money in it.