Coronavirus COVID-19

[HI54UNI]

Read a report regarding breakthrough cases in Israel. Sharp increases in cases and hospitalizations with something like over 50% of the cases from fully vaxed people. Vax’s work just not as well as hoped for. Now they’re saying to prepare for years until/unless a variant effective vax is created and 80% of the world gets it.

I’ll try and find the link later.

Happy Wednesday!

Sounds like 50% of the Israeli population took the Pfizer Vaccine. It's about 39% successful in Israel, projected 42%. Moderna is projected at 72% reliable against the variants.

I believe Israel is 100% Pfizer and I thought I read they were at 80+% of adults vaccinated.

[Gil Dobie]

Sounds like 50% of the Israeli population took the Pfizer Vaccine. It's about 39% successful in Israel, projected 42%. Moderna is projected at 72% reliable against the variants.

I believe Israel is 100% Pfizer and I thought I read they were at 80+% of adults vaccinated.

I read 50% somewhere, may have been an older article or something. I wouldn't mind seeing a link if it's not too much trouble.

[SDHornet]

We cannot vax our way out of a pandemic with a non sterilizing vaccine. That has been said from the very start.

Zero deaths is a good marketing slogan, but when it comes to real world actions it is just that, a slogan that can not be implemented.

See New Zealand. One case, lock down ~5 million people. And the lockdowns in Australia.

I saw that headline. Absolutely insane.

[SDHornet]

Agreed, but those were sterilizing vaccines. They stopped the diseases. The COVID vaccines are not sterilizing.

The only way I see us getting out of this is when everyone actually catches COVID. We are seeing the vaccine help those most susceptible, so keep an eye on those and let them catch the variants.

The variants are coming from the vaccinated by the way.

My boss said essentially the same thing about 2 months into this. Expose everyone, and let the chips fall where they may….and ALLEGEDLY, the entire purpose of social distancing and lockdowns was to “shrink the curve”….it wasn’t to eradicate the virus, it was to avoid overwhelming hospitals. The goalposts moves to eradication pretty quickly, and that’s not a viable alternative at this point….so lets get on with it. Expose people and let’s cull the herd.

[Gil Dobie]

My boss said essentially the same thing about 2 months into this. Expose everyone, and let the chips fall where they may….and ALLEGEDLY, the entire purpose of social distancing and lockdowns was to “shrink the curve”….it wasn’t to eradicate the virus, it was to avoid overwhelming hospitals. The goalposts moves to eradication pretty quickly, and that’s not a viable alternative at this point….so lets get on with it. Expose people and let’s cull the herd.

I'd like to save as many as possible, same feelings towards saving people in Afghanistan, or aborted babies. I'm not for going door to door and infecting people to cull the herd.

Whats the next step, euthanize every one over 70, then 60, then 50........ it's not a large step, with the world population maxing out in a few decades.

[kalm]

I'd like to save as many as possible, same feelings towards saving people in Afghanistan, or aborted babies. I'm not for going door to door and infecting people to cull the herd.

Whats the next step, euthanize every one over 70, then 60, then 50........ it's not a large step, with the world population maxing out in a few decades.

It’s basically what Florida, Texas, and others are doing. With a highly mobile and interconnected society their natural herd immunity approach is forced on more risk averse states. The same could be true on a local level with cities and counties having to deal with outsiders spreading the disease. Hence passports. Businesses and certain governments have already headed down the path. More political fracturing is almost a given. Buckle up…again.

[kalm]

There are also no guarantees of what future variants can do. Delta has increased hospitalizations in kids. Imagine being the school superintendent responsible for the safety of 5 and 6 year olds. Culling the herd is great until you and the ones you care for get culled.

[AZGrizFan]

There are also no guarantees of what future variants can do. Delta has increased hospitalizations in kids. Imagine being the school superintendent responsible for the safety of 5 and 6 year olds. Culling the herd is great until you and the ones you care for get culled.

Survival of the fittest.

[Ibanez]

Anecdotal, of course, so take it FWIW:

My sister works at the Medical University of SC (MUSC) where the vaccine is mandated for employees. She's an RN and an administrator with the nursing staff. They have a 100% vaccine rate among staff with 3 breakthrough cases since the Spring.

90% of those in the hospital with COVID are between 20-40 yrs old. roughly 98% are unvaccinated.

Some of you know my brothers family all got it. His wife and 2 children, ages 6 and 4, are recovering nicely after a dicey weekend for the 4 yr old.

Wife is un-vaxxed. Brother is vaxxed and again has tested negative and is feeling fine.

[Ibanez]

Isn't a state government telling local governments that in every case it is an individual's/parent's decision also a one-size fits all solution?

My faith in government is: local > state > federal.

No. It’s a state government telling individuals they have freedom of choice.

Those parents had freedom before...no need to codify something they already had.

[GannonFan]

My boss said essentially the same thing about 2 months into this. Expose everyone, and let the chips fall where they may….and ALLEGEDLY, the entire purpose of social distancing and lockdowns was to “shrink the curve”….it wasn’t to eradicate the virus, it was to avoid overwhelming hospitals. The goalposts moves to eradication pretty quickly, and that’s not a viable alternative at this point….so lets get on with it. Expose people and let’s cull the herd.

While I'm in the camp of believing we can't and won't ever eradicate this (this type of virus just doesn't lend itself to be eradicated - common cold has been with us for millennia, we just learn to live with it), I still think we need to give people the vaccines before we just expose everyone. There's a big difference between being exposed after being vaccinated and being exposed without being vaccinated. I'm fine with letting the chips fall where they may after we give everyone (even those under 12) a vaccine that gives them a very good chance to handle the virus if they get exposed.

[UNI88]

While I'm in the camp of believing we can't and won't ever eradicate this (this type of virus just doesn't lend itself to be eradicated - common cold has been with us for millennia, we just learn to live with it), I still think we need to give people the vaccines before we just expose everyone. There's a big difference between being exposed after being vaccinated and being exposed without being vaccinated. I'm fine with letting the chips fall where they may after we give everyone (even those under 12) a vaccine that gives them a very good chance to handle the virus if they get exposed.

We won't eradicate it. I don't think we'll develop immunity either. Hopefully we can develop resistance.

I don't think we can force everyone to be vaccinated. We need to do a better job of educating people about the vaccines. I'm ok if we let the chips fall where they may once the people who want to be vaccinated have been.

We also shouldn't forget the lessons of hospitals being overrun in Italy, India, etc. when we're letting the chips fall where they may. This virus can and has overrun healthcare systems.

[AZGrizFan]

No. It’s a state government telling individuals they have freedom of choice.

Those parents had freedom before...no need to codify something they already had.

They don’t have it if they let school boards mandate it.

[Baldy]

Anecdotal, of course, so take it FWIW:

My sister works at the Medical University of SC (MUSC) where the vaccine is mandated for employees. She's an RN and an administrator with the nursing staff. They have a 100% vaccine rate among staff with 3 breakthrough cases since the Spring.

90% of those in the hospital with COVID are between 20-40 yrs old. roughly 98% are unvaccinated.

Some of you know my brothers family all got it. His wife and 2 children, ages 6 and 4, are recovering nicely after a dicey weekend for the 4 yr old.

Wife is un-vaxxed. Brother is vaxxed and again has tested negative and is feeling fine.

I don't think that's anecdotal at all. I'd be willing to bet that most of the hospitals are the same way. At my wife's hospital, there are 141 admitted with COVID, and 136 of those are unvaxxed. There are 39 in ICU (31 on a respirator) and every one of those are unvaxxed.

[SDHornet]

I'd like to save as many as possible, same feelings towards saving people in Afghanistan, or aborted babies. I'm not for going door to door and infecting people to cull the herd.

Whats the next step, euthanize every one over 70, then 60, then 50........ it's not a large step, with the world population maxing out in a few decades.

It’s basically what Florida, Texas, and others are doing. With a highly mobile and interconnected society their natural herd immunity approach is forced on more risk averse states. The same could be true on a local level with cities and counties having to deal with outsiders spreading the disease. Hence passports. Businesses and certain governments have already headed down the path. More political fracturing is almost a given. Buckle up…again.

You know that the lionshare of elderly folks are vaxed in FL right?

Oh and

[SDHornet]

While I'm in the camp of believing we can't and won't ever eradicate this (this type of virus just doesn't lend itself to be eradicated - common cold has been with us for millennia, we just learn to live with it), I still think we need to give people the vaccines before we just expose everyone. There's a big difference between being exposed after being vaccinated and being exposed without being vaccinated. I'm fine with letting the chips fall where they may after we give everyone (even those under 12) a vaccine that gives them a very good chance to handle the virus if they get exposed.

Honest question, is there anyone that wants it that can't get it at this point? I think we are more than read to move into the "let the chips fall where they may" part of this pandemic.

[SeattleGriz]

While I'm in the camp of believing we can't and won't ever eradicate this (this type of virus just doesn't lend itself to be eradicated - common cold has been with us for millennia, we just learn to live with it), I still think we need to give people the vaccines before we just expose everyone. There's a big difference between being exposed after being vaccinated and being exposed without being vaccinated. I'm fine with letting the chips fall where they may after we give everyone (even those under 12) a vaccine that gives them a very good chance to handle the virus if they get exposed.

Honest question, is there anyone that wants it that can't get it at this point? I think we are more than read to move into the "let the chips fall where they may" part of this pandemic.

I would say that if you tried to get it and didn't, you probably had immunity.

[SeattleGriz]

Listen to Walenski say an "increased risk of SEVERE disease forr those vaccinated early". Not trying to scaremonger, but really hope this isn't ADE.

[SDHornet]

Honest question, is there anyone that wants it that can't get it at this point? I think we are more than read to move into the "let the chips fall where they may" part of this pandemic.

I would say that if you tried to get it and didn't, you probably had immunity.

I was talking about the jab, not trying to contract the China Virus.

[Ibanez]

Those parents had freedom before...no need to codify something they already had.

They don’t have it if they let school boards mandate it.

They don't have it either if the Governor prevents locals from making the decision - which is the crux. Which is exactly what happened this week in Charleston County School Board held a hearing, heard from both sides and put it to a vote and unanimously voted for a mask mandate.

The school board were i'm located met - it's 60/40 Rep and Dem, and they voted unanimously to NOT mandate masks based of CDC and SCDHEC guidance (also got rid of plexi glass which was a problem to begin with).

Isn't wanting local control of the schools an issue that Republicans talk about? At least they used to.

[Ibanez]

Anecdotal, of course, so take it FWIW:

My sister works at the Medical University of SC (MUSC) where the vaccine is mandated for employees. She's an RN and an administrator with the nursing staff. They have a 100% vaccine rate among staff with 3 breakthrough cases since the Spring.

90% of those in the hospital with COVID are between 20-40 yrs old. roughly 98% are unvaccinated.

Some of you know my brothers family all got it. His wife and 2 children, ages 6 and 4, are recovering nicely after a dicey weekend for the 4 yr old.

Wife is un-vaxxed. Brother is vaxxed and again has tested negative and is feeling fine.

I don't think that's anecdotal at all. I'd be willing to bet that most of the hospitals are the same way. At my wife's hospital, there are 141 admitted with COVID, and 136 of those are unvaxxed. There are 39 in ICU (31 on a respirator) and every one of those are unvaxxed.

Anecdotal in that it's my experience. lol. But you're right...the cases we see today are overwhelmingly of non-vaxxed people.

The fact that breakthrough cases are so small has to imply the vaccines work, no?

[UNI88]

They don’t have it if they let school boards mandate it.

They don't have it either if the Governor prevents locals from making the decision - which is the crux. Which is exactly what happened this week in Charleston County School Board held a hearing, heard from both sides and put it to a vote and unanimously voted for a mask mandate.

The school board were i'm located met - it's 60/40 Rep and Dem, and they voted unanimously to NOT mandate masks based of CDC and SCDHEC guidance (also got rid of plexi glass which was a problem to begin with).

Isn't wanting local control of the schools an issue that Republicans talk about? At least they used to.

Republicans only support local control when local officials are doing what they want. If not, then they want someone further up the food chain to override local control. They're like Democrats in that regard.

[SeattleGriz]

I would say that if you tried to get it and didn't, you probably had immunity.

I was talking about the jab, not trying to contract the China Virus.

Ha! I was one of those kids that got sent to a chicken pox party growing up, so it was on my mind!

[SeattleGriz]

I don't think that's anecdotal at all. I'd be willing to bet that most of the hospitals are the same way. At my wife's hospital, there are 141 admitted with COVID, and 136 of those are unvaxxed. There are 39 in ICU (31 on a respirator) and every one of those are unvaxxed.

Anecdotal in that it's my experience. lol. But you're right...the cases we see today are overwhelmingly of non-vaxxed people.

The fact that breakthrough cases are so small has to imply the vaccines work, no?

I wonder how many of those are RSV, which is going around right now.

[GannonFan]

While I'm in the camp of believing we can't and won't ever eradicate this (this type of virus just doesn't lend itself to be eradicated - common cold has been with us for millennia, we just learn to live with it), I still think we need to give people the vaccines before we just expose everyone. There's a big difference between being exposed after being vaccinated and being exposed without being vaccinated. I'm fine with letting the chips fall where they may after we give everyone (even those under 12) a vaccine that gives them a very good chance to handle the virus if they get exposed.

Honest question, is there anyone that wants it that can't get it at this point? I think we are more than read to move into the "let the chips fall where they may" part of this pandemic.

Children under 12 can't get vaccinated yet. I'd rather not let the chips fall where they may with that age group not able to be protected initially.