Coronavirus COVID-19

[AZGrizFan]

Lol.

America has NEVER been about risk aversion. The WORST thing to happen to this country was when people started expecting their government to “keep them safe”. The government is more than happy to take on that role….just means more taxes and more power shifted to a centralized party that will NEVER, EVER give it back. Newsflash: There’s 1,000 you interact with every day that can kill you.

Im not quite sure what you’re trying to say here, Captain Hyperbole, but libertarian philosophical scolding falls a little flat during times of crisis.

Of course “crisis” is exactly what the libtards want us to believe.

Amirite?!?

Really? It’s not clear what I’m trying to say? Let me try again:

America was founded by RISK takers—yeah, lets get into a leaky, 75’ sailing vessel and spend six months at sea, not knowing what awaits us at the other end or if we’ll even MAKE it to the other side. If our ancestors had been risk averse, America wouldn’t exist.

America was BUILT on risk—yeah, let’s take on the most powerful military in the world because (wait for it), they’re trying to tell us what we can and can’t do, and trying to tax us into oblivion. Imagine if the framers of the constitution and the Declaration of Independence (who, lets face it, had the absolute MOST to lose by being associated with those documents and that strategic direction) said instead “Nah, fuck it. Let’s just live under the thumb of England forever.”

America was expanded by taking huge, incalculable RISKS—the westward expansion, Manifest Destiny, the Louisiana Purchase, Alaskan purchase, Lewis & Clark’s expedition. Mountain men. Fur trappers. Explorers. All GIGANTIC risk takers.

America has prospered and become the greatest nation on earth not by being risk AVERSE but by Americans taking big hairy audacious RISKS. It’s NEVER been about risk “aversion”. And it’s almost always been with a jaundiced eye turned towards DC, and a suspicion of the motives of those in power.

But today’s libtard Americans are more than willing to abdicate just about every freedom they have in the name of their “safety”. They’ll fucking stand in line like sheep to willingly give up their freedom if their benevolent, bloated, power-hungry government will just take care of them and “keep them safe” for a few more days/weeks/months. In times of crisis they’ll cower in their basements, bleating, waiting for the government to come and save them. Meanwhile, life passes them by, because they’re afraid of everything including a virus that they have a 99.57% chance of survival from and right up to and including their own shadows.


There. Does that clear it up?

[BDKJMU]

I don't believe in mandates from on high in either direction.

I'm asking where is their leadership when it comes to that encouragement. They seem to be doing their most vulnerable constituents a disservice. Is it because they too have politicized the issue and are more interested in appealing to their base than actually leading?

The bullsh!t is deep on both sides of aisle when it comes to COVID.

Yep.

No one has been forced to get vaccinated. No one has been incarcerated for not wearing a mask.

The politics of Covid is a compromise between freedom, economics, and public safety. That hasn’t changed. But we should at least all be close in agreement to what the most current science is predicting. The political contention should be over risk aversion.

But you have kids that are forced to in about a doz blue states + 2 red (KY & LA) with donk govs. Some of the conk states haven’t banned anyone from wearing a mask. All they have done is prohibit mandates requring everyone to wear them in schools, allowing the parents to make the decision on whether or not their kids wear masks. That is freedom.

[kalm]

Im not quite sure what you’re trying to say here, Captain Hyperbole, but libertarian philosophical scolding falls a little flat during times of crisis.

Of course “crisis” is exactly what the libtards want us to believe.

Amirite?!?

Really? It’s not clear what I’m trying to say? Let me try again:

America was founded by RISK takers—yeah, lets get into a leaky, 75’ sailing vessel and spend six months at sea, not knowing what awaits us at the other end or if we’ll even MAKE it to the other side. If our ancestors had been risk averse, America wouldn’t exist.

America was BUILT on risk—yeah, let’s take on the most powerful military in the world because (wait for it), they’re trying to tell us what we can and can’t do, and trying to tax us into oblivion. Imagine if the framers of the constitution and the Declaration of Independence (who, lets face it, had the absolute MOST to lose by being associated with those documents and that strategic direction) said instead “Nah, fuck it. Let’s just live under the thumb of England forever.”

America was expanded by taking huge, incalculable RISKS—the westward expansion, Manifest Destiny, the Louisiana Purchase, Alaskan purchase, Lewis & Clark’s expedition. Mountain men. Fur trappers. Explorers. All GIGANTIC risk takers.

America has prospered and become the greatest nation on earth not by being risk AVERSE but by Americans taking big hairy audacious RISKS. It’s NEVER been about risk “aversion”. And it’s almost always been with a jaundiced eye turned towards DC, and a suspicion of the motives of those in power.

But today’s libtard Americans are more than willing to abdicate just about every freedom they have in the name of their “safety”. They’ll fucking stand in line like sheep to willingly give up their freedom if their benevolent, bloated, power-hungry government will just take care of them and “keep them safe” for a few more days/weeks/months. In times of crisis they’ll cower in their basements, bleating, waiting for the government to come and save them. Meanwhile, life passes them by, because they’re afraid of everything including a virus that they have a 99.57% chance of survival from and right up to and including their own shadows.


There. Does that clear it up?

Not really. You know I agree with much of it, right?

Btw, didn’t George Washington vaccinate his troops?

What a libtard.

[kalm]

Yep.

No one has been forced to get vaccinated. No one has been incarcerated for not wearing a mask.

The politics of Covid is a compromise between freedom, economics, and public safety. That hasn’t changed. But we should at least all be close in agreement to what the most current science is predicting. The political contention should be over risk aversion.

But you have kids that are forced to in about a doz blue states + 2 red (KY & LA) with donk govs. Some of the conk states haven’t banned anyone from wearing a mask. All they have done is prohibit mandates requring everyone to wear them in schools, allowing the parents to make the decision on whether or not their kids wear masks. That is freedom.

They can’t opt for remote learning or home schooling?

[AZGrizFan]

Really? It’s not clear what I’m trying to say? Let me try again:

America was founded by RISK takers—yeah, lets get into a leaky, 75’ sailing vessel and spend six months at sea, not knowing what awaits us at the other end or if we’ll even MAKE it to the other side. If our ancestors had been risk averse, America wouldn’t exist.

America was BUILT on risk—yeah, let’s take on the most powerful military in the world because (wait for it), they’re trying to tell us what we can and can’t do, and trying to tax us into oblivion. Imagine if the framers of the constitution and the Declaration of Independence (who, lets face it, had the absolute MOST to lose by being associated with those documents and that strategic direction) said instead “Nah, fuck it. Let’s just live under the thumb of England forever.”

America was expanded by taking huge, incalculable RISKS—the westward expansion, Manifest Destiny, the Louisiana Purchase, Alaskan purchase, Lewis & Clark’s expedition. Mountain men. Fur trappers. Explorers. All GIGANTIC risk takers.

America has prospered and become the greatest nation on earth not by being risk AVERSE but by Americans taking big hairy audacious RISKS. It’s NEVER been about risk “aversion”. And it’s almost always been with a jaundiced eye turned towards DC, and a suspicion of the motives of those in power.

But today’s libtard Americans are more than willing to abdicate just about every freedom they have in the name of their “safety”. They’ll fucking stand in line like sheep to willingly give up their freedom if their benevolent, bloated, power-hungry government will just take care of them and “keep them safe” for a few more days/weeks/months. In times of crisis they’ll cower in their basements, bleating, waiting for the government to come and save them. Meanwhile, life passes them by, because they’re afraid of everything including a virus that they have a 99.57% chance of survival from and right up to and including their own shadows.


There. Does that clear it up?

Not really. You know I agree with much of it, right?

Btw, didn’t George Washington vaccinate his troops?

What a libtard.

Well, I’m sorry then. I can’t make it any less subtle than that.

[∞∞∞]

Great story about someone overcoming vaccine misinformation and hesitancy:
https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus/ta ... 3UMUMNJT4/

This line really stuck out:

It really hit me when a friend recommended that I write down the names of everybody I know who’s died from COVID-19. Within two minutes I had 21 names of people from tiny little Irwin County and neighboring Ben Hill. She then said to write down the name of everybody I know who died from the vaccine. Crickets. Zip. Zero.

This line too:

I had read so much information that scared me. Countless social media posts from people I knew and trusted that talked about how they rushed the vaccine, that there was not enough research. I made the mistake of looking at YouTube videos where people claiming to be doctors went on and on about how dangerous it could be, and TikToks from people who call themselves ‘vaccine long-haulers’ discussing how they were still having side effects months later. If you watch enough of those, you start questioning your sanity.

[BDKJMU]

Great story about someone overcoming vaccine misinformation and hesitancy:
https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus/ta ... 3UMUMNJT4/

This line really stuck out:

It really hit me when a friend recommended that I write down the names of everybody I know who’s died from COVID-19. Within two minutes I had 21 names of people from tiny little Irwin County and neighboring Ben Hill. She then said to write down the name of everybody I know who died from the vaccine. Crickets. Zip. Zero.

This line too:

I had read so much information that scared me. Countless social media posts from people I knew and trusted that talked about how they rushed the vaccine, that there was not enough research. I made the mistake of looking at YouTube videos where people claiming to be doctors went on and on about how dangerous it could be, and TikToks from people who call themselves ‘vaccine long-haulers’ discussing how they were still having side effects months later. If you watch enough of those, you start questioning your sanity.

And how many weren’t elederly and/or had co-morbidities? I bet crickets. Zip. Zero

[∞∞∞]

What a stupid question. The important question is how many are not vaccinated? Also how many are dying of non-Covid illnesses due to the lack of hospital resources due to Covid hospitalizations?

[kalm]

What a stupid question. The important question is how many are not vaccinated? Also how many are dying of non-Covid illnesses due to the lack of hospital resources due to Covid hospitalizations?

[AZGrizFan]

But you have kids that are forced to in about a doz blue states + 2 red (KY & LA) with donk govs. Some of the conk states haven’t banned anyone from wearing a mask. All they have done is prohibit mandates requring everyone to wear them in schools, allowing the parents to make the decision on whether or not their kids wear masks. That is freedom.

They can’t opt for remote learning or home schooling?

Can they opt out of their school system taxes then?

[Baldy]

Maybe they are. Prioritizing the elderly and most compromised 6 months ago doesn't mean that DeSantis is still doing it though. I think he's more worried about sound bites than lives but I'm willing to look at links that prove me wrong.

Especially be sure the first doses go to the communities of his well-healed elderly donors.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamih ... 72928.html

So, if the elderly people donated to DeSantis, they shouldn't be prioritized?

Were elderly DeSantis contributors prioritized over the elderly who didn't contribute to DeSantis? Big if true!

[∞∞∞]

They can’t opt for remote learning or home schooling?

Can they opt out of their school system taxes then?

No.

I pay taxes for roads even when I don't drive them. I pay for schools even if I don't have children. I pay for playgrounds and parks and bike trails even if I don't use them. Etc.

They're things which enrich my village and make it a better place. We pay for the option to use the services, but everyone has the free choice not to.

[BDKJMU]

Just until schools start mandating the vaccine for children. Then you are going to see a real war.

[∞∞∞]

Just until schools start mandating the vaccine for children. Then you are going to see a real war.

Like we mandate vaccines today?

[SeattleGriz]

I’ll be paying attention to Berensen a lot more now.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/twitt ... rus-tweets

You should. Who doesn’t like to have a little warm blanket of confirmation bias…even if it’s obviously wrong…


https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/10/ ... trarianism

Twitter didn't like his tone on the vaccine, so they suspended him. He'd been doing laps all day highlighting the recent Israeli studies on the differences between recovered immunity and vaccine induced.

[AZGrizFan]

Can they opt out of their school system taxes then?

No.

I pay taxes for roads even when I don't drive them. I pay for schools even if I don't have children. I pay for playgrounds and parks and bike trails even if I don't use them. Etc.

They're things which enrich my village and make it a better place. We pay for the option to use the services, but everyone has the free choice not to.

They’d enrich them a lot more if we didn’t treat them like concentration camps.

[kalm]

You should. Who doesn’t like to have a little warm blanket of confirmation bias…even if it’s obviously wrong…


https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/10/ ... trarianism

Twitter didn't like his tone on the vaccine, so they suspended him. He'd been doing laps all day highlighting the recent Israeli studies on the differences between recovered immunity and vaccine induced.

He was thoroughly debunked as contrarian grifter last year. I really don’t care how Twitter chose to deal with it.

[∞∞∞]

You know what's better than getting the virus and risking hospitalization or death?

Not getting the virus in the first place. And if you do, having a very small chance of hospitalization and an even smaller one of death.

Thanks vaccines!

I don't doubt recovered immunity is better (but also temporary). However getting a virus which can kill or maim you is not exactly the risk I'd take trying to achieve that immunity. I'd rather not deal with Covid, period.

[SeattleGriz]

Twitter didn't like his tone on the vaccine, so they suspended him. He'd been doing laps all day highlighting the recent Israeli studies on the differences between recovered immunity and vaccine induced.

He was thoroughly debunked as contrarian grifter last year. I really don’t care how Twitter chose to deal with it.

Umm. Your article is almost one year old and her analysis is very weak. I only got halfway through and gave up as her first argument was that he was wrong because she values old people.

[SeattleGriz]

You know what's better than getting the virus and risking hospitalization or death?

Not getting the virus in the first place. And if you do, having a very small chance of hospitalization and an even smaller one of death.

Thanks vaccines!

I don't doubt recovered immunity is better (but also temporary). However getting a virus which can kill or mame you is not exactly the risk I'd take trying to achieve that immunity. I'd rather not deal with Covid, period.

I don't think many are saying the vaccines are a bad thing. Most are saying we should stop trying to sell them as a cure-all instead of as a piece of the solution. You get gloating because the "science" is settled, but then changes.

[∞∞∞]

What gloating? No one is gloating.

Vaccines are not the only solution. We know this...not new info and never has been. It's why masks, social distancing, and vaccines are a thing (among other measures), which encompass an overall strategy. That said, vaccines are a particularly crucial piece of the puzzle which were unavailable until a few months ago.

[SeattleGriz]

What gloating? No one is gloating.

Vaccines are not the only solution. We know this...not new info and never has been. It's why masks, social distancing, and vaccines are a thing (among other measures), which encompass an overall strategy. That said, vaccines are a particularly crucial piece of the puzzle which were unavailable until a few months ago.

Gloating by Berenson.

[AZGrizFan]

What gloating? No one is gloating.

Vaccines are not the only solution. We know this...not new info and never has been. It's why masks, social distancing, and vaccines are a thing (among other measures), which encompass an overall strategy. That said, vaccines are a particularly crucial piece of the puzzle which were unavailable until a few months ago.

Really? You don’t see/hear the holier-than-thou, you’re-a-moron-if-you-don’t-get-the-virus Karens out there? Because they are everywhere. Maybe gloating isn’t the right word….it’s the verbal abuse and judging.

[BDKJMU]

You should. Who doesn’t like to have a little warm blanket of confirmation bias…even if it’s obviously wrong…


https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/10/ ... trarianism

Twitter didn't like his tone on the vaccine, so they suspended him. He'd been doing laps all day highlighting the recent Israeli studies on the differences between recovered immunity and vaccine induced.

Yep. And now he apparently has a big following on something called ‘Substack’. Be’s been on the Clay Travis/Buck Sexton show multiple times, including 2x this week. Apparently he’s going to be on there weekly now. The show launched in June on more than 400 stations nationwide in Rush Limbaugh‘s noon-3 PM slot, making it one of the biggest launches in talk show radio history. Including their daily podcast, they have an audience of millions. And this weekend after being kicked off twitter, Berenson has been covered on virtaully every conservative outlet there is. Twitter’s attempt to censor Alex Berenson for telling the truth about the China Virus, vaccines, and mask mandates, will fail.

[AZGrizFan]

Twitter didn't like his tone on the vaccine, so they suspended him. He'd been doing laps all day highlighting the recent Israeli studies on the differences between recovered immunity and vaccine induced.

Yep. And now he apparently has a big following on something called ‘Substack’. Be’s been on the Clay Travis/Buck Sexton show multiple times, including 2x this week. Apparently he’s going to be on there weekly now. The show launched in June on more than 400 stations nationwide in Rush Limbaugh‘s noon-3 PM slot, making it one of the biggest launches in talk show radio history. Including their daily podcast, they have an audience of millions. And this weekend after being kicked off twitter, Berenson has been covered on virtaully every conservative outlet there is. Twitter’s attempt to censor Alex Berenson will fail.

I don’t know, man. Trump is a virtual non-entity since his banning.