Coronavirus COVID-19

[HI54UNI]

Not the Bee


Rutgers bars unvaccinated student from attending virtual classes

A New Jersey student has said he is barred from taking classes at Rutgers University because he has not been vaccinated — even though he is only studying virtually from home.

Logan Hollar, 22, told NJ.com that he largely ignored the school’s COVID mandate “because all my classes were remote” from his Sandyston home, some 70 miles from Rutgers’ campus in New Brunswick.

But he was locked out of his Rutgers email and related accounts when he went to pay his tuition at the end of last month — and was told that he needed to be vaccinated even though he has no plans to attend in person.

https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/rutgers-b ... l-classes/

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Not the Bee


Rutgers bars unvaccinated student from attending virtual classes

A New Jersey student has said he is barred from taking classes at Rutgers University because he has not been vaccinated — even though he is only studying virtually from home.

Logan Hollar, 22, told NJ.com that he largely ignored the school’s COVID mandate “because all my classes were remote” from his Sandyston home, some 70 miles from Rutgers’ campus in New Brunswick.

But he was locked out of his Rutgers email and related accounts when he went to pay his tuition at the end of last month — and was told that he needed to be vaccinated even though he has no plans to attend in person.

https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/rutgers-b ... l-classes/

At the end of the article, the response from Rutgers explaining the situation seems reasonable and consistent. Full online students don't need it, but he signed up for synchronous classes which require it, so it really doesn't matter if he "plans" to never go to campus. By signing up for this type of class, he can go on campus for the lectures so he needs the vaccine.

No sympathy here. This guy is making life way harder on himself than simply getting the shot. The rule was in place for months, he got emails, he got warnings, he didn't sign up for the right class, and now he's just b*tching because he didn't get his way.

[kalm]

Both WSU and UW are requiring proof of vaccination and masks. I’m guessing EWU will follow suit.

[Gil Dobie]

I wouldn't classify any of the people I know that died as any more obese than Mark. My sister's neighbor is fighting for her life right now, was not obese, never smoked, etc. Sounds like the MSM telling me I'm not seeing what I am seeing.

As I said, there are deaths of “healthy” people….just like the flu. But the vast majority have severe comorbidities….and the top one is obesity/diabetes. That seems to be the winning combination.

Top ones are heart disease and untreated high blood pressure. Flu is more survivable than covid for these people.

Main Findings:

29.9% of inpatients and 74.9% of outpatients diagnosed with COVID-19 had no comorbidities as defined in the study.
The most common comorbidities were hypertension (30,236 [46.7%]), hyperlipidemia (18,744 [28.9%]), diabetes (18,091 [27.9%]), and chronic pulmonary disease (10,434 [16.1%]). cdc study

[SDHornet]

Compared to what other mRNA vaccines on the market?

Researchers have been studying and working with mRNA vaccines for decades. Interest has grown in these vaccines because they can be developed in a laboratory using readily available materials. This means the process can be standardized and scaled up, making vaccine development faster than traditional methods of making vaccines.

mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine.

And how many are approved for human use?

[SDHornet]

If some of you want to live life as a horse with worms, more power to you. I don't 100% get it, but this is America so you do you.

All my simple mind knows is that worms =/= virus. Sure lab trials show it kills the virus in a petri dish, but so does rubbing alcohol and I don't plan to chug that anytime soon. I'm sure the manufacturer doesn't know any better either: https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statem ... -pandemic/

I'm at the point where if people want to play illogical/stupid games then whatever...just don't expect sympathy or compassion from others (of course they will).

Meh, Ivermectin narrative is all conflation with the animal usage. It's approved for human use. If a doctor prescribes it, more power to them. The idiots consuming the drug intended for animal use, yeah good luck.

[SDHornet]

Do I feel equal or less sympathy for people who contracted a disease the same way about people who think the virus is either a hoax or not a big deal then medicate themselves with a horse de-wormer vs the actual treatment for illness? That's a stupid question. Not everyone who contracts an illness is careless or negligent. In my opinion, anyone using the wrong medication to treat something is being careless. Especially when the manufacturer of said medicine says to NOT use it.

Example - my wife just had an allergic reaction and I had to use the Epi-pen on her. I used the right tool for the problem. I have zero sympathy for people who have a problem and then go use the wrong tools for it. It defies logic.

It's not stupid, Mark. Yes, they contracted the disease. But hey, guess what? The REASON it's a "big deal" is largely (no pun intended) because they're fat. An average of FIVE co-morbidities in every death (including motorcycle accident and stabbing, just to name a couple). Weed out the obese people (which ironically enough, is exactly what's happening), and this thing is only slightly more serious than a moderate flu season. But it's HELL on fat people, with the deaths of perfectly healthy people being the rare exception.

People who are fat and then suffer complications from COVID are just as responsible for their predicament as those who chose to not get vaccinated.

This.

[SDHornet]

My post is about people that are taking the wrong drug, against the advice of the drug maker, to treat something there is a vaccine for as well as an effective treatment for. It literally makes zero logical sense as to why would take an anti-parasitic for an virus. You wouldn't take Benadryl to treat herpes, would you? Or how about Prilosec to treat your colon cancer? People are contracting an illness, one that there's a vaccine for, and then treating it in the most ass backwards way. And for what? It boggles the mind. Those are the people I have no sympathy for.

I'm not sure what your correlation is to people that have put themselves at greater risk for a virus and people who take the wrong medicine for a virus. Those two groups aren't necessarily the same. I have sympathy for most people that have caught and died from it. Just because you're fat doesn't mean to you should die from a virus like COVID-19. But we have heard how awful it is to have to be hospitalized with COVID. If you shoot yourself in the foot after being told not to then I don't have any compassion for you. Play stupid games...win stupid prizes.

And the politics.

I mentioned one of my best friend’s father being a denier and Qanon follower (many in the family are) who died of it recently. His wife secretly got vaxxed and was fine. Today I learned that his brother also just died. Both relatively healthy in their early-mid 60’s.

But I do have sympathy. We all roll the dice to some degree.

The data indicates that folks over 60 are at risk. People over 60 should absolutely get the vax.

[SDHornet]

Internal Documents Further Contradict Fauci’s ‘Gain-of-Function’ Research Denials

The internal documents detail the work of EcoHealth Alliance, an American research non-profit which used NIH funding to research novel bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan lab. Among the documents, which were obtained by The Intercept through a Freedom of Information Act request, is a previously unpublished EcoHealth Alliance grant proposal filed with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, which is run by Fauci.
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Fauci has repeatedly insisted during his Senate testimony that the research being funded by the NIH at the WIV did not qualify as “gain-of-function” under the NIH’s current definition. But critics, including Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, have accused Fauci of playing semantic games by excluding research which makes bat coronaviruses more transmissible — the commonly accepted definition of “gain-of-function” — from his more convenient definition.

Rand Paul was right.

Fauci lied to Congress. He should get the book thrown at him...but won't because we know why.

[SDHornet]

They'll probably be in a hospital ass up on a ventilator and unable to watch.

Likely only if they are fat.

[SDHornet]

But the vax...

[SDHornet]

More data that reaffirms why I'm not putting this shit in my kid.

[AZGrizFan]

As I said, there are deaths of “healthy” people….just like the flu. But the vast majority have severe comorbidities….and the top one is obesity/diabetes. That seems to be the winning combination.

Top ones are heart disease and untreated high blood pressure. Flu is more survivable than covid for these people.

Main Findings:

29.9% of inpatients and 74.9% of outpatients diagnosed with COVID-19 had no comorbidities as defined in the study.
The most common comorbidities were hypertension (30,236 [46.7%]), hyperlipidemia (18,744 [28.9%]), diabetes (18,091 [27.9%]), and chronic pulmonary disease (10,434 [16.1%]). cdc study

All of which are associated with obesity and shitty eating/exercise habits (and smoking/vaping, I’ll add that one as well).

THAT is the real pandemic in this country. The severity of COVID is merely a symptom of the underlying problem.

[kalm]

Top ones are heart disease and untreated high blood pressure. Flu is more survivable than covid for these people.

Main Findings:

29.9% of inpatients and 74.9% of outpatients diagnosed with COVID-19 had no comorbidities as defined in the study.
The most common comorbidities were hypertension (30,236 [46.7%]), hyperlipidemia (18,744 [28.9%]), diabetes (18,091 [27.9%]), and chronic pulmonary disease (10,434 [16.1%]). cdc study

All of which are associated with obesity and shitty eating/exercise habits (and smoking/vaping, I’ll add that one as well).

THAT is the real pandemic in this country. The severity of COVID is merely a symptom of the underlying problem.

* epidemic.

[Gil Dobie]

Top ones are heart disease and untreated high blood pressure. Flu is more survivable than covid for these people.

Main Findings:

29.9% of inpatients and 74.9% of outpatients diagnosed with COVID-19 had no comorbidities as defined in the study.
The most common comorbidities were hypertension (30,236 [46.7%]), hyperlipidemia (18,744 [28.9%]), diabetes (18,091 [27.9%]), and chronic pulmonary disease (10,434 [16.1%]). cdc study

All of which are associated with obesity and shitty eating/exercise habits (and smoking/vaping, I’ll add that one as well).

THAT is the real pandemic in this country. The severity of COVID is merely a symptom of the underlying problem.

Need to add heredity to the list too. CDC says 29% don't have underlying conditions. Quite the fear porn please.

[Gil Dobie]

Researchers have been studying and working with mRNA vaccines for decades. Interest has grown in these vaccines because they can be developed in a laboratory using readily available materials. This means the process can be standardized and scaled up, making vaccine development faster than traditional methods of making vaccines.

mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine.

And how many are approved for human use?

More vaccine fear porn.

Since the synthetic mRNA vaccines do not need the actual virus particles, they can be considered safer than those using live or attenuated (weakened) proteins from the actual virus. This, along with a host of other features, makes them a revolutionary concept for vaccine development.Aug 31, 2021

[Ibanez]

I'm at the point where if people want to play illogical/stupid games then whatever...just don't expect sympathy or compassion from others (of course they will).

Meh, Ivermectin narrative is all conflation with the animal usage. It's approved for human use. If a doctor prescribes it, more power to them. The idiots consuming the drug intended for animal use, yeah good luck.

Regardless of the human or animal variety, it's for the same problem - parasites. Not a virus. Unless you have worms in your lungs, the science isn't there to back up any claim that it'll effectively treat a respiratory virus.

They won't take the FDA approved drug to treat COVID but they'll take the FDA approved drug to treat intestinal parasites. It defied common sense and logic.

Logic would tell you that BigPharma would jump at the chance to push another treatment out there in an effort to make more money but given that Merc says this is not its intended use and there's zero science to sustain any claim has to count for something.

[kalm]

More data that reaffirms why I'm not putting this shit in my kid.

[kalm]

All of which are associated with obesity and shitty eating/exercise habits (and smoking/vaping, I’ll add that one as well).

THAT is the real pandemic in this country. The severity of COVID is merely a symptom of the underlying problem.

Need to add heredity to the list too. CDC says 29% don't have underlying conditions. Quite the fear porn please.

So don’t worry as long as you’re…

Under 65
Not obese
Immunocompromised
Black
A smoker/vapor
Drinker
Have an undiagnosed underlying condition
Concerned about long term effects

…or might be around someone who is.

[Ibanez]

My post is about people that are taking the wrong drug, against the advice of the drug maker, to treat something there is a vaccine for as well as an effective treatment for. It literally makes zero logical sense as to why would take an anti-parasitic for an virus. You wouldn't take Benadryl to treat herpes, would you? Or how about Prilosec to treat your colon cancer? People are contracting an illness, one that there's a vaccine for, and then treating it in the most ass backwards way. And for what? It boggles the mind. Those are the people I have no sympathy for.

I'm not sure what your correlation is to people that have put themselves at greater risk for a virus and people who take the wrong medicine for a virus. Those two groups aren't necessarily the same. I have sympathy for most people that have caught and died from it. Just because you're fat doesn't mean to you should die from a virus like COVID-19. But we have heard how awful it is to have to be hospitalized with COVID. If you shoot yourself in the foot after being told not to then I don't have any compassion for you. Play stupid games...win stupid prizes.

And my point is that if obesity wasn’t an epidemic in this country, neither would COVID be, and this would all be a moot point.

And the point of my post, which started this, is that you will probably have a better chance of survival if you use the appropriate treatment vs the wrong treatment. For some reason, people take offense to that.

For all the hand wringing and saying there isn't enough data to justify the vaccines, those same people are fine taking Ivermectin - whose COVID treatment popularity is based off incomplete and anomalous data.

I really do hate seeing people taking the wrong drug, in a vain attempt to survive something when we have a vaccine and a treatment plan for it. I feel for their families. So many mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, wives, husbands would still be alive today if they had taken this seriously, gotten help sooner and take the right treatments.

[Ibanez]

More data that reaffirms why I'm not putting this shit in my kid.

Data doesn't support Ivermectin, either.

[Ibanez]

Top ones are heart disease and untreated high blood pressure. Flu is more survivable than covid for these people.

Main Findings:

29.9% of inpatients and 74.9% of outpatients diagnosed with COVID-19 had no comorbidities as defined in the study.
The most common comorbidities were hypertension (30,236 [46.7%]), hyperlipidemia (18,744 [28.9%]), diabetes (18,091 [27.9%]), and chronic pulmonary disease (10,434 [16.1%]). cdc study

All of which are associated with obesity and shitty eating/exercise habits (and smoking/vaping, I’ll add that one as well).

THAT is the real pandemic in this country. The severity of COVID is merely a symptom of the underlying problem.

Obesity is a serious problem and I don't think we'll ever overcome it. Too many processed foods, fast foods and inactivity among other reasons that our population won't go with out (I know it's difficult for me.)

And i'll give you a, "hell yes!" to the vaping.

[HI54UNI]

Had a conversation with a nurse last night. Had the first shot and had a very bad reaction to it - heart issues - and her doctor recommended that she not get the 2nd shot. The hospital she works at has a mandate for October 1st, no exceptions for a case like her. She's worked there 20 years and now has to decide if she risks her life on the 2nd shot or loses her job. The same day her request for an exemption was denied she got an email asking if any nurses wanted to cover other shifts because they have a staff shortage.

[kalm]

Had a conversation with a nurse last night. Had the first shot and had a very bad reaction to it - heart issues - and her doctor recommended that she not get the 2nd shot. The hospital she works at has a mandate for October 1st, no exceptions for a case like her. She's worked there 20 years and now has to decide if she risks her life on the 2nd shot or loses her job. The same day her request for an exemption was denied she got an email asking if any nurses wanted to cover other shifts because they have a staff shortage.

That’s not right. If her heart issue is like myocarditis, she’s even more at risk from Covid than the vaccine. She should get full compensation and furloughed until it’s safe for her or she can find safer employment.

[UNI88]

All of which are associated with obesity and shitty eating/exercise habits (and smoking/vaping, I’ll add that one as well).

THAT is the real pandemic in this country. The severity of COVID is merely a symptom of the underlying problem.

Obesity is a serious problem and I don't think we'll ever overcome it. Too many processed foods, fast foods and inactivity among other reasons that our population won't go with out (I know it's difficult for me.)

And i'll give you a, "hell yes!" to the vaping.

We also need to consider how we define obesity. The CDC considers me obese (6'1"' & 250-260 lbs). I am overweight but I'm in decent shape and I don't think I'm obese.