January 6 - How much do you care?

[GannonFan]

How very nihilistic of you. If you think of things that way you can do whatever you want and always feel justified as nothing has any real justification.

Still doesn't change the fact that up until 1869 when we were changing the size of the Court on occasion, we were doing so to adjust to increasing workloads and/or to give better coverage to a country that was geographically expanding and becoming hard to manage with fewer justices. I don't see the same problem today, at the SCOTUS level, with being able to handle the workload.

Missed this one. Aka realistic.

Only if we seek the lowest common denominator. I think we've been better than that in the past and no reason to think we can't be better than that in the future.

[UNI88]

How very nihilistic of you. If you think of things that way you can do whatever you want and always feel justified as nothing has any real justification.

Still doesn't change the fact that up until 1869 when we were changing the size of the Court on occasion, we were doing so to adjust to increasing workloads and/or to give better coverage to a country that was geographically expanding and becoming hard to manage with fewer justices. I don't see the same problem today, at the SCOTUS level, with being able to handle the workload.

Missed this one. Aka trumpian.

FYP

Wanting to "do whatever you want and always feel justified" is trumpian, not realistic.

And like many illiberals you're so focused on using maximizing representation (SCOTUS should grow as the country grows) t get your way that you don't consider two things:

1. What will happen when the Republicans are in power and respond in kind?
2. The larger SCOTUS (or Congress) becomes the less effective it will be. The larger a body is the more cumbersome it becomes and the less it actually accomplishes.

[kalm]

Missed this one. Aka trumpian.

FYP

Wanting to "do whatever you want and always feel justified" is trumpian, not realistic.

And like many illiberals you're so focused on using maximizing representation (SCOTUS should grow as the country grows) t get your way that you don't consider two things:

1. What will happen when the Republicans are in power and respond in kind?
2. The larger SCOTUS (or Congress) becomes the less effective it will be. The larger a body is the more cumbersome it becomes and the less it actually accomplishes.

Yes…change and democracy can indeed be scary. I agree.

[UNI88]

FYP

Wanting to "do whatever you want and always feel justified" is trumpian, not realistic.

And like many illiberals you're so focused on using maximizing representation (SCOTUS should grow as the country grows) t get your way that you don't consider two things:

1. What will happen when the Republicans are in power and respond in kind?
2. The larger SCOTUS (or Congress) becomes the less effective it will be. The larger a body is the more cumbersome it becomes and the less it actually accomplishes.

Yes…change and democracy can indeed be scary. I agree.

So trump is for democracy now? Come on Morty, make up your mind.

[GannonFan]

Yes…change and democracy can indeed be scary. I agree.

So trump is for democracy now? Come on Morty, make up your mind.

Hey, kalmie was one of the first on here to embrace a lot of Trumpian things - remember when kalmie was all behind Trump's tarriffs and protectionist agenda. They were like twinsies.

[kalm]

So trump is for democracy now? Come on Morty, make up your mind.

Hey, kalmie was one of the first on here to embrace a lot of Trumpian things - remember when kalmie was all behind Trump's tarriffs and protectionist agenda. They were like twinsies.

Yeah…I’m a big fan of domestic manufacturing, labor rights, environmental protection. Of course Bernie was too…decades before Trump. Covid, ongoing supply chain, and climate issues strengthened that point.

I’m sorry you and your Chinese masters and neo-liberal multi-nationalists are not.

Lol.

[UNI88]

Hey, kalmie was one of the first on here to embrace a lot of Trumpian things - remember when kalmie was all behind Trump's tarriffs and protectionist agenda. They were like twinsies.

Yeah…I’m a big fan of domestic manufacturing, labor rights, environmental protection. Of course Bernie was too…decades before Trump. Covid, ongoing supply chain, and climate issues strengthened that point.

I’m sorry you and your Chinese masters and neo-liberal multi-nationalists are not.

Lol.

trump and Bernie sitting in a tree ...

[GannonFan]

Hey, kalmie was one of the first on here to embrace a lot of Trumpian things - remember when kalmie was all behind Trump's tarriffs and protectionist agenda. They were like twinsies.

Yeah…I’m a big fan of domestic manufacturing, labor rights, environmental protection. Of course Bernie was too…decades before Trump. Covid, ongoing supply chain, and climate issues strengthened that point.

I’m sorry you and your Chinese masters and neo-liberal multi-nationalists are not.

Lol.

Ha, great stuff. Remember, I'm actually in domestic manufacturing so I actually have a clue of what I'm talking about, not just fun political talking points. Plenty of other countries out there who aren't China and shockingly, people have been leaving China in droves over the past decade as they've gotten all dark and foreboding. But, we still make a boatload of stuff here in the US, in fact, more than we ever had. What you and Bernie don't seem to understand, though, is the level of automation that goes along with that. We have fewer people employed today than before, but make a heckuva lot more now than we ever have. It's the price of domestic manufacture in the world's biggest economy. But go on, tell me more about these tariffs and other protectionist stuff. Oh wait, I'll just turn on FOX News and see what Trump is saying.

[kalm]

Yeah…I’m a big fan of domestic manufacturing, labor rights, environmental protection. Of course Bernie was too…decades before Trump. Covid, ongoing supply chain, and climate issues strengthened that point.

I’m sorry you and your Chinese masters and neo-liberal multi-nationalists are not.

Lol.

Ha, great stuff. Remember, I'm actually in domestic manufacturing so I actually have a clue of what I'm talking about, not just fun political talking points. Plenty of other countries out there who aren't China and shockingly, people have been leaving China in droves over the past decade as they've gotten all dark and foreboding. But, we still make a boatload of stuff here in the US, in fact, more than we ever had. What you and Bernie don't seem to understand, though, is the level of automation that goes along with that. We have fewer people employed today than before, but make a heckuva lot more now than we ever have. It's the price of domestic manufacture in the world's biggest economy. But go on, tell me more about these tariffs and other protectionist stuff. Oh wait, I'll just turn on FOX News and see what Trump is saying.

That’s better and believe it or not I actually do consider your opinions and experience. I just disagree with neoliberalism in the long run. We’ve had this debate for a decade. Nothing new.

[houndawg]

Missed this one. Aka trumpian.

FYP

Wanting to "do whatever you want and always feel justified" is trumpian, not realistic.

And like many illiberals you're so focused on using maximizing representation (SCOTUS should grow as the country grows) t get your way that you don't consider two things:

1. What will happen when the Republicans are in power and respond in kind?
2. The larger SCOTUS (or Congress) becomes the less effective it will be. The larger a body is the more cumbersome it becomes and the less it actually accomplishes.

Yeah, thats probably the best we could hope for - gridlock.

I bet Sammy "the Weasel" Alito is getting a lot of side eye from the Republican Party over his timing on overturning Roe.

Of course, nobody here, myself excluded, saw it body-slamming the Red Tsunami either.

The reeklets lead the way insisting that abortion was way down the list of what voters thought was important.

I tried to tell them that Dobbs was saying they were wrong about that and that being anti-abortion was not the same thing as wanting abortion completely unavailable even to Republican congressmen.

These evangelical types live in a different reality and just don't, can't, understand that they're actually a pretty small fraction of even Christians, let alone Americans.

[kalm]

FYP

Wanting to "do whatever you want and always feel justified" is trumpian, not realistic.

And like many illiberals you're so focused on using maximizing representation (SCOTUS should grow as the country grows) t get your way that you don't consider two things:

1. What will happen when the Republicans are in power and respond in kind?
2. The larger SCOTUS (or Congress) becomes the less effective it will be. The larger a body is the more cumbersome it becomes and the less it actually accomplishes.

Yeah, thats probably the best we could hope for - gridlock.

I bet Sammy "the Weasel" Alito is getting a lot of side eye from the Republican Party over his timing on overturning Roe.

Of course, nobody here, myself excluded, saw it body-slamming the Red Tsunami either.

The reeklets lead the way insisting that abortion was way down the list of what voters thought was important.

I tried to tell them that Dobbs was saying they were wrong about that and that being anti-abortion was not the same thing as wanting abortion completely unavailable even to Republican congressmen.

These evangelical types live in a different reality and just don't, can't, understand that they're actually a pretty small fraction of even Christians, let alone Americans.

The evangelical tail wagging the dog.

[UNI88]

FYP

Wanting to "do whatever you want and always feel justified" is trumpian, not realistic.

And like many illiberals you're so focused on using maximizing representation (SCOTUS should grow as the country grows) t get your way that you don't consider two things:

1. What will happen when the Republicans are in power and respond in kind?
2. The larger SCOTUS (or Congress) becomes the less effective it will be. The larger a body is the more cumbersome it becomes and the less it actually accomplishes.

Yeah, thats probably the best we could hope for - gridlock.

I bet Sammy "the Weasel" Alito is getting a lot of side eye from the Republican Party over his timing on overturning Roe.

Of course, nobody here, myself excluded, saw it body-slamming the Red Tsunami either.

The reeklets lead the way insisting that abortion was way down the list of what voters thought was important.

I tried to tell them that Dobbs was saying they were wrong about that and that being anti-abortion was not the same thing as wanting abortion completely unavailable even to Republican congressmen.

These evangelical types live in a different reality and just don't, can't, understand that they're actually a pretty small fraction of even Christians, let alone Americans.

• Abortion had an impact on the "red tsunami" but it was outweighed by trump's backing of horrible candidates and election denialism.
• Jelly is the one and only reek. You and SG like to misuse the pejorative.
• Like Evangelicals, progressives live in a different reality where they also just don't, can't, understand that they're actually a pretty small fraction of liberals.

[SeattleGriz]

Yeah, thats probably the best we could hope for - gridlock.

I bet Sammy "the Weasel" Alito is getting a lot of side eye from the Republican Party over his timing on overturning Roe.

Of course, nobody here, myself excluded, saw it body-slamming the Red Tsunami either.

The reeklets lead the way insisting that abortion was way down the list of what voters thought was important.

I tried to tell them that Dobbs was saying they were wrong about that and that being anti-abortion was not the same thing as wanting abortion completely unavailable even to Republican congressmen.

These evangelical types live in a different reality and just don't, can't, understand that they're actually a pretty small fraction of even Christians, let alone Americans.

• Abortion had an impact on the "red tsunami" but it was outweighed by trump's backing of horrible candidates and election denialism.
• Jelly is the one and only reek. You and SG like to misuse the pejorative.
• Like Evangelicals, progressives live in a different reality where they also just don't, can't, understand that they're actually a pretty small fraction of liberals.

That's it! You just made the list, Reek #5

[kalm]

• Abortion had an impact on the "red tsunami" but it was outweighed by trump's backing of horrible candidates and election denialism.
• Jelly is the one and only reek. You and SG like to misuse the pejorative.
• Like Evangelicals, progressives live in a different reality where they also just don't, can't, understand that they're actually a pretty small fraction of liberals.

That's it! You just made the list, Reek #5

Nah…he’s more cunning. Plays both sides with a deft touch…

Lord Baelish!

[UNI88]

That's it! You just made the list, Reek #5

Nah…he’s more cunning. Plays both sides with a deft touch…

Lord Baelish!

That one made me

[SeattleGriz]

That's it! You just made the list, Reek #5

Nah…he’s more cunning. Plays both sides with a deft touch…

Lord Baelish!

[houndawg]

Yeah, thats probably the best we could hope for - gridlock.

I bet Sammy "the Weasel" Alito is getting a lot of side eye from the Republican Party over his timing on overturning Roe.

Of course, nobody here, myself excluded, saw it body-slamming the Red Tsunami either.

The reeklets lead the way insisting that abortion was way down the list of what voters thought was important.

I tried to tell them that Dobbs was saying they were wrong about that and that being anti-abortion was not the same thing as wanting abortion completely unavailable even to Republican congressmen.

These evangelical types live in a different reality and just don't, can't, understand that they're actually a pretty small fraction of even Christians, let alone Americans.

• Abortion had an impact on the "red tsunami" but it was outweighed by trump's backing of horrible candidates and election denialism.
• Jelly is the one and only reek. You and SG like to misuse the pejorative.
• Like Evangelicals, progressives live in a different reality where they also just don't, can't, understand that they're actually a pretty small fraction of liberals.

[*]All three had a big impact, and it took willful suspension of disbeliefto ignore the Kansas vote.
[*]reek2 and reek3 are often referred to as just reek
[*]You just like to make lists. My wife is the same way

[SeattleGriz]

I'm confused. Cassidy Hutchinson now says she was untruthful in regards to Trump wresting control of The Beast from the secret service. While I get this part, because it was obviously untrue when she spoke it, but she's saying a Trump affiliated lawyer instructed her to do so? She left that guy for a Dem affiliated lawyer one month before testifying, but yet was still following orders from her old lawyer?

Huh. Am I understanding her correctly?

[kalm]

I'm confused. Cassidy Hutchinson now says she was untruthful in regards to Trump wresting control of The Beast from the secret service. While I get this part, because it was obviously untrue when she spoke it, but she's saying a Trump affiliated lawyer instructed her to do so? She left that guy for a Dem affiliated lawyer one month before testifying, but yet was still following orders from her old lawyer?

Huh. Am I understanding her correctly?

Where did she say it was untrue?

[SeattleGriz]

I'm confused. Cassidy Hutchinson now says she was untruthful in regards to Trump wresting control of The Beast from the secret service. While I get this part, because it was obviously untrue when she spoke it, but she's saying a Trump affiliated lawyer instructed her to do so? She left that guy for a Dem affiliated lawyer one month before testifying, but yet was still following orders from her old lawyer?

Huh. Am I understanding her correctly?

Where did she say it was untrue?

https://www.businessinsider.com/lawyer- ... rt-2022-12

Jan. 6 committee says a Trump-connected lawyer advised Cassidy Hutchinson to mislead the committee on what she knew, CNN reports

[Skjellyfetti]

an unnamed lawyer had advised their client to "tell the Committee that she did not recall facts when she actually did recall them."

how does that jive with what you're saying?

the unnamed lawyer told her to say she did not recall - not to fabricate story, which is what you're insinuating.

[SeattleGriz]

an unnamed lawyer had advised their client to "tell the Committee that she did not recall facts when she actually did recall them."

how does that jive with what you're saying?

the unnamed lawyer told her to say she did not recall - not to fabricate story, which is what you're insinuating.

I think the issue is that I immediately thought of her telling the story about the Beast, which was factually incorrect. Why would she fabricate a story that was untrue and throw away ALL credibility, when she simply could have said she had no knowledge. Essentially, she didn't remember, but made shit up.

[UNI88]

an unnamed lawyer had advised their client to "tell the Committee that she did not recall facts when she actually did recall them."

how does that jive with what you're saying?

the unnamed lawyer told her to say she did not recall - not to fabricate story, which is what you're insinuating.

Why did she “fabricate” a story?

Did the trump lawyer tell her to say she didn’t recall because told the lawyer the fabricated story?

What tangled webs we weave …


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[houndawg]

how does that jive with what you're saying?

the unnamed lawyer told her to say she did not recall - not to fabricate story, which is what you're insinuating.

I think the issue is that I immediately thought of her telling the story about the Beast, which was factually incorrect. Why would she fabricate a story that was untrue and throw away ALL credibility, when she simply could have said she had no knowledge. Essentially, she didn't remember, but made shit up.

She said the story was second hand - and the SS boys who offered to refute her testimony under oath never did so.

[SeattleGriz]

I think the issue is that I immediately thought of her telling the story about the Beast, which was factually incorrect. Why would she fabricate a story that was untrue and throw away ALL credibility, when she simply could have said she had no knowledge. Essentially, she didn't remember, but made shit up.

She said the story was second hand - and the SS boys who offered to refute her testimony under oath never did so.

She lied and now for some reason, the press is trying to build her up into the equivalent of Christine Blasey Ford.