Coronavirus COVID-19

[JohnStOnge]

Why are you concerned over mask all of a sudden? I've been to Bison games and a concert, many other group events with no mask. I don't feel like I'm making a statement or anything. Just going on with life. You wear a mask, it's your choice. All you anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers keep coming up with BS to justify your choice. Make your choice and live with it.

We're trying but the gubmint is issuing mandates to fit their agenda regardless of the science and data.

Unlike the situation during the Trump Administration, the government is definitely now following the science and the data. The only agenda is to try to suppress the pandemic.

This right wing paranoia about some kind of "agenda" other than trying to suppress the pandemic is complete nonsense.

[SDHornet]

We're trying but the gubmint is issuing mandates to fit their agenda regardless of the science and data.

Unlike the situation during the Trump Administration, the government is definitely now following the science and the data. The only agenda is to try to suppress the pandemic.

This right wing paranoia about some kind of "agenda" other than trying to suppress the pandemic is complete nonsense.

Uh no. In CA, why mandates on vaccinating kids for schools if they aren't dying from it? And why no mandates on teachers to get vaxxed?

Please explain how that is "following the science and data". I'll wait.

[JohnStOnge]

Unlike the situation during the Trump Administration, the government is definitely now following the science and the data. The only agenda is to try to suppress the pandemic.

This right wing paranoia about some kind of "agenda" other than trying to suppress the pandemic is complete nonsense.

Uh no. In CA, why mandates on vaccinating kids for schools if they aren't dying from it? And why no mandates on teachers to get vaxxed?

Please explain how that is "following the science and data". I'll wait.

I've been through the thing kids before. One point of a vaccination strategy is to reduce virus circulation to a point where the epidemic cannot be sustained. Kids may not be as vulnerable as older people are. But they can serve as vectors. If you are following the science, when the science says it is safe to vaccinate children, you are going to vaccinate them.

And, as far as I can tell, California did issue a "Vaccine or test" mandate to teachers (https://calmatters.org/newsletters/what ... -teachers/)

Teachers and other school employees across California have a choice to make in the coming weeks: Get vaccinated, get regularly tested or find another job.

Did something change?

[UNI88]

Unlike the situation during the Trump Administration, the government is definitely now following the science and the data. The only agenda is to try to suppress the pandemic.

This right wing paranoia about some kind of "agenda" other than trying to suppress the pandemic is complete nonsense.

Uh no. In CA, why mandates on vaccinating kids for schools if they aren't dying from it? And why no mandates on teachers to get vaxxed?

Please explain how that is "following the science and data". I'll wait.

They're mandating vaccinations for students but not teachers? The teachers (plus bus drivers and other staff) would be more at risk than the students.

[SDHornet]

Uh no. In CA, why mandates on vaccinating kids for schools if they aren't dying from it? And why no mandates on teachers to get vaxxed?

Please explain how that is "following the science and data". I'll wait.

I've been through the thing kids before. One point of a vaccination strategy is to reduce virus circulation to a point where the epidemic cannot be sustained. Kids may not be as vulnerable as older people are. But they can serve as vectors. If you are following the science, when the science says it is safe to vaccinate children, you are going to vaccinate them.

And, as far as I can tell, California did issue a "Vaccine or test" mandate to teachers (https://calmatters.org/newsletters/what ... -teachers/)

Teachers and other school employees across California have a choice to make in the coming weeks: Get vaccinated, get regularly tested or find another job.

Did something change?

Since the jab isn't stopping infections, we can drop that as a reason to vax kids. And if folks that work or live with or near kids are worried about getting it from them, they can get the jab.

Regarding the teachers, if they are that worried about teachers getting/spreading it, then they should be required to be vaxxed likes kids, no?

It makes no sense to require some people in a school setting (students) and not the teachers. Zero sense whatso ever if you are "following the science and data".

[SDHornet]

Uh no. In CA, why mandates on vaccinating kids for schools if they aren't dying from it? And why no mandates on teachers to get vaxxed?

Please explain how that is "following the science and data". I'll wait.

They're mandating vaccinations for students but not teachers? The teachers (plus bus drivers and other staff) would be more at risk than the students.

Correct. There is no logical explanation as to why students would be required to get the jab and not teachers/school staff. Makes no sense.

[UNI88]

They're mandating vaccinations for students but not teachers? The teachers (plus bus drivers and other staff) would be more at risk than the students.

Correct. There is no logical explanation as to why students would be required to get the jab and not teachers/school staff. Makes no sense.

It makes political if not scientific sense if you factor in that the teachers have a union and the students don't.

[∞∞∞]

Uh no. In CA, why mandates on vaccinating kids for schools if they aren't dying from it? And why no mandates on teachers to get vaxxed?

Please explain how that is "following the science and data". I'll wait.

They're mandating vaccinations for students but not teachers? The teachers (plus bus drivers and other staff) would be more at risk than the students.

Staff have to be vaccinated or undergo regular testing.

The student thing won't go into effect until the vaccines are approved for each age group nor will it go into effect until July 1, 2022.

I imagine Cali will soon follow New York's lead and mandate it for staff.

[∞∞∞]

One consequence I'm seeing in the aviation/engineering industry (and my own company) are younger people stepping into higher positions/pay 'cause most anti-vaxxers being let go lean older. Wouldn't be surprised if this is happening across other industries.

There may be short-term consequences, but for people my age and around (Gen X, Y, Z), it seems like good paying positions that need to be filled are growing. Even I'm being recruited for positions I didn't think I qualified for just a year ago.

At my own company, the lady we fired for not being vaccinated was on the older side and in her place we hired a young woman who (so far) has turned out to be 20x better. Would have never hired her if the ex-employee didn't refuse to be vaccinated.

[Gil Dobie]

When under 1% of those who contract COVID require hospitalization, I tend to worry more about obesity and chronic illness causing more of a drain on our medical system.

People who simply won't make lifestyle choices need to be vilified!!

Stats in my county say 5% are hospitalized, 1% death rate. Where do you get your stats?

[Gil Dobie]

We're trying but the gubmint is issuing mandates to fit their agenda regardless of the science and data.

Unlike the situation during the Trump Administration, the government is definitely now following the science and the data. The only agenda is to try to suppress the pandemic.

This right wing paranoia about some kind of "agenda" other than trying to suppress the pandemic is complete nonsense.

It's not paranoia, it's trying to justify their side, and downplay views of others.

[SDHornet]

Correct. There is no logical explanation as to why students would be required to get the jab and not teachers/school staff. Makes no sense.

It makes political if not scientific sense if you factor in that the teachers have a union and the students don't.

The teachers union is absolutely at play here...but then we aren't "following science and data" anymore, which is the point JSO is trying to spin.

[SDHornet]

Stats in my county say 5% are hospitalized, 1% death rate. Where do you get your stats?

CA Dept of Health dashboard.

[SDHornet]

Unlike the situation during the Trump Administration, the government is definitely now following the science and the data. The only agenda is to try to suppress the pandemic.

This right wing paranoia about some kind of "agenda" other than trying to suppress the pandemic is complete nonsense.

It's not paranoia, it's trying to justify their side, and downplay views of others.

More like providing a counter point against the onslaught of Big Pharma propaganda being crammed down our throats.

[Gil Dobie]

It's not paranoia, it's trying to justify their side, and downplay views of others.

More like providing a counter point against the onslaught of Big Pharma propaganda being crammed down our throats.

People are explaining why they are following medical guidelines on one side. On the other side it's all about justifying their point of view in the name of freedom, hidden vail of conspiracy, and by the way, fuck the freedom of the other side.

[Gil Dobie]

Stats in my county say 5% are hospitalized, 1% death rate. Where do you get your stats?

CA Dept of Health dashboard.

1.5% of the people that have tested positive for Covid in CA, have died. So only 2/3's of the people that have died of covid, in CA have been hospitalized? I'm calling shenanigan's until I see the link you have.

FYI: Florida moved up to #9 in deaths per million today.

[JohnStOnge]

Since the jab isn't stopping infections, we can drop that as a reason to vax kids. And if folks that work or live with or near kids are worried about getting it from them, they can get the jab.

Regarding the teachers, if they are that worried about teachers getting/spreading it, then they should be required to be vaxxed likes kids, no?

It makes no sense to require some people in a school setting (students) and not the teachers. Zero sense whatso ever if you are "following the science and data".

First let me say that, when I said government is following the science now, I was talking about the Federal government. Obviously there are State governments, like those in Florida and Texas, that aren't.

Having said that: The vaccines do not stop infection entirely. But they substantially reduce the risk. See https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021 ... risks.html. This kind of crap needs to stop. You need to stop believing whatever the crap sources you are listening to are telling you. The fact that the vaccines do not entirely eliminate the risk of infection does not mean they do not substantially reduce the risk of infection.

There is no such thing, and there has never been such a thing, as a 100% effective vaccine. But there are numerous examples of situations in which achieving widespread vaccination brought diseases under control.

[JohnStOnge]

It's not paranoia, it's trying to justify their side, and downplay views of others.

More like providing a counter point against the onslaught of Big Pharma propaganda being crammed down our throats.

That's paranoia.

[SeattleGriz]

Love the comments. "Of course he won't, kids can't contribute donations".

[UNI88]

They're mandating vaccinations for students but not teachers? The teachers (plus bus drivers and other staff) would be more at risk than the students.

Staff have to be vaccinated or undergo regular testing.

The student thing won't go into effect until the vaccines are approved for each age group nor will it go into effect until July 1, 2022.

I imagine Cali will soon follow New York's lead and mandate it for staff.

SD, SG, et al, how does requiring the COVID vaccine for students differ from requiring other vaccines (Hepatitis, Whooping Cough, Measles, etc.)?

Trip, what happens if there is a shortage of staff as a result of the mandates? How well is this working in NY? IMO, overcrowded classrooms more negatively impact economically challenged families.

[UNI88]

One consequence I'm seeing in the aviation/engineering industry (and my own company) are younger people stepping into higher positions/pay 'cause most anti-vaxxers being let go lean older. Wouldn't be surprised if this is happening across other industries.

There may be short-term consequences, but for people my age and around (Gen X, Y, Z), it seems like good paying positions that need to be filled are growing. Even I'm being recruited for positions I didn't think I qualified for just a year ago.

At my own company, the lady we fired for not being vaccinated was on the older side and in her place we hired a young woman who (so far) has turned out to be 20x better. Would have never hired her if the ex-employee didn't refuse to be vaccinated.

Jump at the opportunities. You might be in over your head but put in the effort and you'll grow and advance much faster as a result.

[JohnStOnge]

Correct. There is no logical explanation as to why students would be required to get the jab and not teachers/school staff. Makes no sense.

It makes political if not scientific sense if you factor in that the teachers have a union and the students don't.

They are clearly pressuring teachers to get the vaccine. That's what they want.

[SeattleGriz]

Staff have to be vaccinated or undergo regular testing.

The student thing won't go into effect until the vaccines are approved for each age group nor will it go into effect until July 1, 2022.

I imagine Cali will soon follow New York's lead and mandate it for staff.

SD, SG, et al, how does requiring the COVID vaccine for students differ from requiring other vaccines (Hepatitis, Whooping Cough, Measles, etc.)?

Trip, what happens if there is a shortage of staff as a result of the mandates? How well is this working in NY? IMO, overcrowded classrooms more negatively impact economically challenged families.

To me it matters because the data (strictly total numbers) is already showing the risk of myocarditis is higher in boys than a child dying from COVID by a good measure. Don't know if those that contract myocarditis will have it resolve itself, but a permanent case is bad news.

Also, the vaccines you list are a get the vaccine and be done event. COVID is going to need boosters as the virus mutates, very similar to the flu vaccine - unless it settles in as a weak seasonal cold.

I'm simply not convinced on the mRNA vaccines. When Novavax, which is a more traditional vaccine, gets approval, my worry will decrease immensely.

Plus, I'm old enough to remember thalidomide, Vioxx, opioids, etc...

[CID1990]

Vaccine mandates

quarantines

masks

There is so much bullshit “science” floating around behind these government edicts and they are taking on a distinctly fucked up government typical flavor

Case in point:

My kids go to middle school in Loudoun County, the epicenter of the Aldous Huxley version of “science”

My youngest was determined to have been exposed to COVID this past Friday.

Her school made this determination this past Wednesday. So from Friday to Wednesday, she was in gen pop. Then, on Wednesday, I have to go pick her up from the fucking school because she’s now quarantined.

The school nurse walks her out after I have been standing in front of the school intercom thing for 30 gotdamb minutes. She’s wearing a mask. I’m not. The first thing this idiot does is posture about maintaining distance from me, saying I should put on a mask.

Then, she proceeds to explain to me that my daughter was exposed last Friday, and she has to quarantine for a week. BUT.. she can come back to school this Tuesday! Because her quarantine “technically” began last Friday. So, she has been in gen pop for THREE FUCKING SCHOOL DAYS and she can go back on Tuesday.

So, why don’t some of you science-y cunts without biology degrees explain the “science” to this dude with an actual biology degree how the most progressive school district in America.. where they cant tell the difference between girls and boys... is “following science”?


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[SeattleGriz]

Vaccine mandates

quarantines

masks

There is so much bullshit “science” floating around behind these government edicts and they are taking on a distinctly fucked up government typical flavor

Case in point:

My kids go to middle school in Loudoun County, the epicenter of the Aldous Huxley version of “science”

My youngest was determined to have been exposed to COVID this past Friday.

Her school made this determination this past Wednesday. So from Friday to Wednesday, she was in gen pop. Then, on Wednesday, I have to go pick her up from the fucking school because she’s now quarantined.

The school nurse walks her out after I have been standing in front of the school intercom thing for 30 gotdamb minutes. She’s wearing a mask. I’m not. The first thing this idiot does is posture about maintaining distance from me, saying I should put on a mask.

Then, she proceeds to explain to me that my daughter was exposed last Friday, and she has to quarantine for a week. BUT.. she can come back to school this Tuesday! Because her quarantine “technically” began last Friday. So, she has been in gen pop for THREE FUCKING SCHOOL DAYS and she can go back on Tuesday.

So, why don’t some of you science-y cunts without biology degrees explain the “science” to this dude with an actual biology degree how the most progressive school district in America.. where they cant tell the difference between girls and boys... is “following science”?


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Our youngest was in school for 5 days and got put into 10 day quarantine. Got a call from the principal today, after only one week back, saying he had been exposed but wasn't a close contact. Same bus. He's good to go.