Coronavirus COVID-19

[89Hen]

My Uncles sister has Covid, give last rites today. She's in her 90's.

Also a co-worker is out of the office with Covid this week. He's around 30, so should be ok.

Good grief. No offense Gil, but I hope I never meet you.

[GannonFan]

My Uncles sister has Covid, give last rites today. She's in her 90's.

Also a co-worker is out of the office with Covid this week. He's around 30, so should be ok.

Good grief. No offense Gil, but I hope I never meet you.

Agreed. The most unlucky COVID locus I've ever heard of this pandemic. Gil might know more people who have died of COVID than I know just people in general.

[Gil Dobie]

Good grief. No offense Gil, but I hope I never meet you.

Agreed. The most unlucky COVID locus I've ever heard of this pandemic. Gil might know more people who have died of COVID than I know just people in general.

Could be worse, Karl-Anthony Towns of the Timberwolves, had like 5-6 family members die from Covid, plus himself.

[SDHornet]

Florida now has America's lowest COVID rate. Does Ron DeSantis deserve credit?

It’s doubtful even DeSantis himself would claim he’s the reason Florida is recording so many fewer COVID cases today than in August. The virus, we’ve known for some time, comes in waves — waves that ascend, peak and ultimately recede on a remarkably consistent timeline.
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Either way, the DeSantis argument acknowledges all this. Waves of infection are inevitable — and Florida tends to suffer in the summer, when the heat and humidity force people indoors, his proponents say. Insisting on precautions like vaccines and masks won’t stop these waves. So what’s the point of continuing to infringe on people’s freedom?

There’s a certain logic at work here. One day, experts predict, SARS-CoV-2 will become endemic, spreading seasonally around the globe in ever-evolving variations that might make a lot of people feel ill for a few days but are ultimately much less damaging and deadly because everybody has some degree of immunity through vaccination or prior infection.
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As a result, letting the virus rip without encouraging precautionary measures such as indoor masking and universal vaccination remains a very risky proposition. In DeSantis’s case, he has effectively discouraged such measures, going so far as to tweet about monoclonal antibodies — an expensive treatment that helps only after you’ve gotten infected and potentially transmitted the virus to others — 30 times more often than vaccines. And in addition to banning mask requirements, he’s seeking to reward those who resist vaccine mandates at work with unemployment benefits and, in an effort to get anti-vax police officers to move to Florida, $5,000 bonuses.
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And the bottom line is that this summer in Florida, people did not do as well as they should have. Why? Because far too many of them died. The raw numbers alone are staggering. In all of 2020 — before vaccines essentially eliminated the risk of death for most recipients — 23,384 Floridians died of COVID-19. Now nearly as many — 21,000 and counting — have died in the past four months alone. And another 135 Floridians are still dying, on average, every single day.
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In the end, policy can do only so much during a pandemic. But leaders like DeSantis do have some power to encourage or discourage safety measures, and some responsibility for the behaviors they help to normalize (or not). Their supporters can give them credit for declining case numbers if they choose. But they’re also accountable for how much damage each wave of infection leaves in its wake.

A rational piece looking at both sides of the argument.

Yeah no kidding.

[Winterborn]

Florida now has America's lowest COVID rate. Does Ron DeSantis deserve credit?

It’s doubtful even DeSantis himself would claim he’s the reason Florida is recording so many fewer COVID cases today than in August. The virus, we’ve known for some time, comes in waves — waves that ascend, peak and ultimately recede on a remarkably consistent timeline.
...
Either way, the DeSantis argument acknowledges all this. Waves of infection are inevitable — and Florida tends to suffer in the summer, when the heat and humidity force people indoors, his proponents say. Insisting on precautions like vaccines and masks won’t stop these waves. So what’s the point of continuing to infringe on people’s freedom?

There’s a certain logic at work here. One day, experts predict, SARS-CoV-2 will become endemic, spreading seasonally around the globe in ever-evolving variations that might make a lot of people feel ill for a few days but are ultimately much less damaging and deadly because everybody has some degree of immunity through vaccination or prior infection.
...
As a result, letting the virus rip without encouraging precautionary measures such as indoor masking and universal vaccination remains a very risky proposition. In DeSantis’s case, he has effectively discouraged such measures, going so far as to tweet about monoclonal antibodies — an expensive treatment that helps only after you’ve gotten infected and potentially transmitted the virus to others — 30 times more often than vaccines. And in addition to banning mask requirements, he’s seeking to reward those who resist vaccine mandates at work with unemployment benefits and, in an effort to get anti-vax police officers to move to Florida, $5,000 bonuses.
...
And the bottom line is that this summer in Florida, people did not do as well as they should have. Why? Because far too many of them died. The raw numbers alone are staggering. In all of 2020 — before vaccines essentially eliminated the risk of death for most recipients — 23,384 Floridians died of COVID-19. Now nearly as many — 21,000 and counting — have died in the past four months alone. And another 135 Floridians are still dying, on average, every single day.
...
In the end, policy can do only so much during a pandemic. But leaders like DeSantis do have some power to encourage or discourage safety measures, and some responsibility for the behaviors they help to normalize (or not). Their supporters can give them credit for declining case numbers if they choose. But they’re also accountable for how much damage each wave of infection leaves in its wake.

A rational piece looking at both sides of the argument.

For the past month I have already seen immunologists refer to it as an endemic. I also remember people who brought up the questions about what happens when it becomes an endemic and that "eradication" is not a viable option and the "you hate grandma and want her to die" message that got thrown back in their face when trying to talk long term possibilities.

Politicians and playing politics with this by scientists (and people in general) have done more damage to a free discussion and being open to a better solution. The problem is the bleeding heart and do nothing folks were given the podium and rational people's ideas went out the window.

[89Hen]

It's about friggin time. We have led the country in vaxed people this whole time.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2021 ... -thursday/

It’s official: Montgomery County, Maryland’s mask mandate for indoor public places — reimposed in late summer amid a surge in coronavirus cases driven by the delta variant — was lifted Thursday.

On Wednesday, the county marked its seventh consecutive day of “moderate” community transmission of the virus, as defined by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

That meant Montgomery County would lift its indoor mask mandate at 12:01 a.m. Thursday.

[SeattleGriz]

Florida now has America's lowest COVID rate. Does Ron DeSantis deserve credit?



A rational piece looking at both sides of the argument.

For the past month I have already seen immunologists refer to it as an endemic. I also remember people who brought up the questions about what happens when it becomes an endemic and that "eradication" is not a viable option and the "you hate grandma and want her to die" message that got thrown back in their face when trying to talk long term possibilities.

Politicians and playing politics with this by scientists (and people in general) have done more damage to a free discussion and being open to a better solution. The problem is the bleeding heart and do nothing folks were given the podium and rational people's ideas went out the window.

Hell, it happens on this board. I've simply tried to convey thinking and learning that has been the standard for years and always get the board epidemiologists and immunologists claim I don't know what I'm talking about.

My favorite was when Clenz referred to the common knowledge of new viruses slowly burning out and becoming endemic as "my theory".

[HI54UNI]

Iowa legislature passed a bill yesterday that allows you to claim unemployment if you refuse to get vaxed. The employers doing the firing will have to pay extra into the unemployment trust fund to cover the expense.

[kalm]

It's about friggin time. We have led the country in vaxed people this whole time.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2021 ... -thursday/

It’s official: Montgomery County, Maryland’s mask mandate for indoor public places — reimposed in late summer amid a surge in coronavirus cases driven by the delta variant — was lifted Thursday.

On Wednesday, the county marked its seventh consecutive day of “moderate” community transmission of the virus, as defined by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

That meant Montgomery County would lift its indoor mask mandate at 12:01 a.m. Thursday.

Washington state and Spokane County decline has stalled which is causing some concern among health officials. 60% vax rate. It seems like ‘88’s thoughts on post vax loose behavior might be accurate. I certainly see it around me.

[Winterborn]

My Uncles sister has Covid, give last rites today. She's in her 90's.

Also a co-worker is out of the office with Covid this week. He's around 30, so should be ok.

Good grief. No offense Gil, but I hope I never meet you.

I have survived multiple meetings with the illustrious Gil. Even sat next to him for an entire football game.

And I am still kicking.

[kalm]

Good grief. No offense Gil, but I hope I never meet you.

I have survived multiple meetings with the illustrious Gil. Even sat next to him for an entire football game.

And I am still kicking.

WB and Gil…together?

Legendary!

[SDHornet]

Iowa legislature passed a bill yesterday that allows you to claim unemployment if you refuse to get vaxed. The employers doing the firing will have to pay extra into the unemployment trust fund to cover the expense.

[SDHornet]

Oh.

[JohnStOnge]

Oh.

That appears to be an "if you are infected to begin with" thing. The vaccinated are not as likely to be infected to begin with.

This really needs to stop. I don't know why it's so important to some people to argue that the vaccines don't work when they obviously do.

[JohnStOnge]

Oh.

Ok. I found the actual study. And once again what we have is bullshit on Twitter. Here is what the authors of the actual study wrote:

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

So, in other words, yes...if you are vaccinated and you DO become infected and you are at PEAK viral load you can efficiently transmit infection. BUT, if you are vaccinated you are a lower risk of becoming infected to begin with AND you have faster viral clearance if you do become infected so that you are not at peak viral load for as long as you otherwise would be. So vaccination CLEARLY REDUCES THE RISK. By a LOT.

This kind of crap has got to stop.

Here's the link to the actual study: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 4/fulltext

This stuff of conservatives cherry picking and misrepresenting things really needs to stop. As I've said many times: I am a conservative. But what is going on with the conservative movement right now with the bullshit and intellectual dishonesty is really bad.

[JohnStOnge]

Now for what I came here for:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/ ... mm7044e1_w

This is a study that apparently contradicts the idea that natural immunity is better.

[Gil Dobie]

Oh.

Ok. I found the actual study. And once again what we have is bullshit on Twitter. Here is what the authors of the actual study wrote:

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

So, in other words, yes...if you are vaccinated and you DO become infected and you are at PEAK viral load you can efficiently transmit infection. BUT, if you are vaccinated you are a lower risk of becoming infected to begin with AND you have faster viral clearance if you do become infected so that you are not at peak viral load for as long as you otherwise would be. So vaccination CLEARLY REDUCES THE RISK. By a LOT.

This kind of crap has got to stop.

Here's the link to the actual study: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 4/fulltext

This stuff of conservatives cherry picking and misrepresenting things really needs to stop. As I've said many times: I am a conservative. But what is going on with the conservative movement right now with the bullshit and intellectual dishonesty is really bad.

Conservative does not equal Trumpettes.

[SeattleGriz]

We ready to talk about the pandemic of the vaccinated yet?

[SDHornet]

We ready to talk about the pandemic of the vaccinated yet?

But but but JSO said...

[kalm]

We ready to talk about the pandemic of the vaccinated yet?

Sure! What would you like to find out?

[SeattleGriz]

We ready to talk about the pandemic of the vaccinated yet?

But but but JSO said...

There have been more than JSO on this board that have stepped in it because they bought the narrative.

Have you seen the latest UK report? The vaccine is showing negative efficacy for all age groups above 18. Meaning that you are now more likely to catch COVID if you are vaxxed.

While hospitalizations and deaths per 100k are still showing the vaccine is helping, the total numbers of those hospitalized or dying is starting to outpace the unvaxxed in multiple age categories.

Lastly, if you want a real good example of how random testing drives the case rate, look at the under 18 category. The UK is doing the same sort of testing on school kids as the US is doing.

We now have faced one instance where my oldest needed a PCR negative to go back to school, another in which my youngest had to isolate for 14 days and if developed any symptoms, would have needed a negative PCR test to return, and lastly, the youngest needing a second instance for a negative if he would have had more than his sneezes that kept him home. So to recap, my oldest took the PCR and my youngest would have been required to take the PCR test twice, had his symptoms progressed past sneezing.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... eek-43.pdf

[kalm]

But but but JSO said...

There have been more than JSO on this board that have stepped in it because they bought the narrative.

Have you seen the latest UK report? The vaccine is showing negative efficacy for all age groups above 18. Meaning that you are now more likely to catch COVID if you are vaxxed.

While hospitalizations and deaths per 100k are still showing the vaccine is helping, the total numbers of those hospitalized or dying is starting to outpace the unvaxxed in multiple age categories.

Lastly, if you want a real good example of how random testing drives the case rate, look at the under 18 category. The UK is doing the same sort of testing on school kids as the US is doing.

We now have faced one instance where my oldest needed a PCR negative to go back to school, another in which my youngest had to isolate for 14 days and if developed any symptoms, would have needed a negative PCR test to return, and lastly, the youngest needing a second instance for a negative if he would have had more than his sneezes that kept him home. So to recap, my oldest took the PCR and my youngest would have been required to take the PCR test twice, had his symptoms progressed past sneezing.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... eek-43.pdf

They must have missed your important points in the executive summary.

It basically says: “FIRE BAD!!! Vaccines good.”

[SeattleGriz]

There have been more than JSO on this board that have stepped in it because they bought the narrative.

Have you seen the latest UK report? The vaccine is showing negative efficacy for all age groups above 18. Meaning that you are now more likely to catch COVID if you are vaxxed.

While hospitalizations and deaths per 100k are still showing the vaccine is helping, the total numbers of those hospitalized or dying is starting to outpace the unvaxxed in multiple age categories.

Lastly, if you want a real good example of how random testing drives the case rate, look at the under 18 category. The UK is doing the same sort of testing on school kids as the US is doing.

We now have faced one instance where my oldest needed a PCR negative to go back to school, another in which my youngest had to isolate for 14 days and if developed any symptoms, would have needed a negative PCR test to return, and lastly, the youngest needing a second instance for a negative if he would have had more than his sneezes that kept him home. So to recap, my oldest took the PCR and my youngest would have been required to take the PCR test twice, had his symptoms progressed past sneezing.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... eek-43.pdf

They must have missed your important points in the executive summary.

It basically says: “FIRE BAD!!! Vaccines good.”

No, just a demonstrated lack of understanding and curiosity. This information has always been out there.

[Gil Dobie]

They must have missed your important points in the executive summary.

It basically says: “FIRE BAD!!! Vaccines good.”

No, just a demonstrated lack of understanding and curiosity. This information has always been out there.

We tested so my grandson could go back to school last spring. All 4 of us were vaxxed, what's the big deal on that. I've been tested twice, wife twice, daughter twice. If most of the people are vaxxed most of the people will get covid. Pretty fucking simple. But keep on spinning your Trumpette crap.

[SeattleGriz]

No, just a demonstrated lack of understanding and curiosity. This information has always been out there.

We tested so my grandson could go back to school last spring. All 4 of us were vaxxed, what's the big deal on that. I've been tested twice, wife twice, daughter twice. If most of the people are vaxxed most of the people will get covid. Pretty fucking simple. But keep on spinning your Trumpette crap.

Read the report genius. The vaccinated are dwarfing the unvaccinated in cases and in some instances are surpassing the unvaxxed in hospitalizations and deaths.

This proves we had no chance of vaccinating our way out of this pandemic. That science is apparently outside your limited grasp.

For a guy with so many degrees, you sure do argue against points I never made. You seem to think I have some problem with people choosing to get vaccinated. I don't.

What I do have a problem with is the government consistently lying about the effectiveness of the vaccine in the face of over and over failure of their claims and then trying to force it on people under whatever form of "safety" they are promoting.