Coronavirus COVID-19

[Gil Dobie]

From muhealth.com

The misinformation strategy
Opponents of vaccination use the VAERS numbers in statements that suggest cause-and-effect conclusions. This misinformation then influences some people not to be vaccinated.

And as with most misinformation, these statements get traction because they start with a kernel of truth — in this case raw data from a reputable source.

[SDHornet]

Nice. Now swap out ivermectin for China Virus vaccine and see how it reads...

...then consider one of them is being pimped by the government.

The covid vaccine isn't any worse than other vaccines. Just have anti-vax social media projecting it worse. Do your own research and make your choice.

We don't have any long term data so no one can make that claim now. But we do now this is being forced into kids 5-11 and only 94 of 28M in that age group died with the China Virus since this all began.

[SDHornet]

Yes, version reports anyone that died at anytime after a vaccine was given, for any reason. The actual vaccine caused deaths is probably less than 100. It was 23 in September. You are doing the same thing you accused the covid death counters of doing. Fear mongering.

How about a link to your revised report? And if classifying every death within 60 days of a Covid diagnosis works for COVID deaths, why not vaccine deaths?

Bingo. The irony of these people talking out of both sides of their mouths wrt China Virus deaths and vaccine deaths is a feat of mental gymnastics I can't wait to see.

[SDHornet]

Oh.

[SDHornet]

[Gil Dobie]

The covid vaccine isn't any worse than other vaccines. Just have anti-vax social media projecting it worse. Do your own research and make your choice.

We don't have any long term data so no one can make that claim now. But we do now this is being forced into kids 5-11 and only 94 of 28M in that age group died with the China Virus since this all began.

You are taking snippets of truth and manufacturing a narrative to continue the fear. There have been 7.41 billion doses of the vaccine given. That's a good amount of data. Nearly all effects from the vaccine will be exposed in the first 6 weeks. Do the research and make your choice, don't try and shove a narrative up my ass, cause I'll shit it out back on you.

[Gil Dobie]

How about a link to your revised report? And if classifying every death within 60 days of a Covid diagnosis works for COVID deaths, why not vaccine deaths?

Bingo. The irony of these people talking out of both sides of their mouths wrt China Virus deaths and vaccine deaths is a feat of mental gymnastics I can't wait to see.

You are starting to see similarities on both sides, good.

[kalm]

Ummmm….ok?

Covid vaccine holdouts are caving to mandates — then scrambling to ‘undo’ their shots

As mandates spread, anti-vaccine groups have been trafficking in pseudoscience treatments meant to remove or counteract the vaccines. Experts say it's like trying to "unring a bell."

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... qty3tGHNSE

[89Hen]

Is the administration pushing to have all folks on the government dole vaxed? Wouldn't they fall under the large company fold?

[GannonFan]

Is the administration pushing to have all folks on the government dole vaxed? Wouldn't they fall under the large company fold?

They're two different things, and the administration has vastly more power with the federal workforce than they do with private industry. In all likelihood, the federal mandate will get through the courts, but the end around to use OSHA for private industry won't survive the court challenge.

[UNI88]

Is the administration pushing to have all folks on the government dole vaxed? Wouldn't they fall under the large company fold?

They're two different things, and the administration has vastly more power with the federal workforce than they do with private industry. In all likelihood, the federal mandate will get through the courts, but the end around to use OSHA for private industry won't survive the court challenge.

Can the government make vaccination a requirement:

• To collect welfare assistance?
• For immigration into the country?

The Biden administration pushing the federal and large employer mandates while doing nothing about the above is hypocritical and pours gasoline on the fire of resistance.

[SeattleGriz]

Best theory I had heard on why the Flu disappeared was due to the window of testing, meaning that by the time you first test for Covid and it turns negative, it's too late to get a flu test done.

Well, it seems as if the interference theory is gaining traction. Surprisingly, it had been noticed many years ago and here is an interesting article on it. The point being is that some believe we are turning the corner on COVID because the flu is making a comeback. Edit: At the time of posting, the link isn't showing, so here it is:

(medium.com/illumination-curated/the-unexpected-case-of-the-disappearing-flu-64fd1fa5e909)

So perhaps a biological process, whereby viruses engage in some form of competition, or interactions, can better explain disappearances such as those currently being observed.

[SeattleGriz]

They're two different things, and the administration has vastly more power with the federal workforce than they do with private industry. In all likelihood, the federal mandate will get through the courts, but the end around to use OSHA for private industry won't survive the court challenge.

Can the government make vaccination a requirement:

• To collect welfare assistance?
• For immigration into the country?

The Biden administration pushing the federal and large employer mandates while doing nothing about the above is hypocritical and pours gasoline on the fire of resistance.

I asked our postal worker today if the USPS was requiring them to get vaccinated. She told me that she didn't know. I found that a rather odd answer as you would expect if there was a mandate for them she would have known.

[UNI88]

Can the government make vaccination a requirement:

• To collect welfare assistance?
• For immigration into the country?

The Biden administration pushing the federal and large employer mandates while doing nothing about the above is hypocritical and pours gasoline on the fire of resistance.

I asked our postal worker today if the USPS was requiring them to get vaccinated. She told me that she didn't know. I found that a rather odd answer as you would expect if there was a mandate for them she would have known.

A lot of postal workers are unionized and vaccine mandates are likely subject to collective bargaining.

[AZGrizFan]

I asked our postal worker today if the USPS was requiring them to get vaccinated. She told me that she didn't know. I found that a rather odd answer as you would expect if there was a mandate for them she would have known.

A lot of postal workers are unionized and vaccine mandates are likely subject to collective bargaining.

USPS Union heads were the very first to voice opposition and were exempted from the Biden mandate…

[SeattleGriz]

A lot of postal workers are unionized and vaccine mandates are likely subject to collective bargaining.

USPS Union heads were the very first to voice opposition and were exempted from the Biden mandate…

See, both of what you said, I had heard at first, but when you try to search online for clarity, it tries to imply they will be mandated.

[AZGrizFan]

USPS Union heads were the very first to voice opposition and were exempted from the Biden mandate…

See, both of what you said, I had heard at first, but when you try to search online for clarity, it tries to imply they will be mandated.

Checked it out…it appears they were initially exempted….WH “strongly encourages” them to get vaccinated….then says they were not subject to the EO, but they WILL be subject when the OSHA rule comes out…whatever the fuck that means since 26 states are currently suing the government to stop implementation of the OSHA ruling.

[BDKJMU]

5th Circuit halts Biden’s mandate
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... uxbndlbing

[Ivytalk]

5th Circuit halts Biden’s mandate
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... uxbndlbing

I wonder if the result would have been the same in the Ninth Circuit.

[SeattleGriz]

See, both of what you said, I had heard at first, but when you try to search online for clarity, it tries to imply they will be mandated.

Checked it out…it appears they were initially exempted….WH “strongly encourages” them to get vaccinated….then says they were not subject to the EO, but they WILL be subject when the OSHA rule comes out…whatever the fuck that means since 26 states are currently suing the government to stop implementation of the OSHA ruling.

We both know what that means. Biden doesn't want to piss of the postal workers, so they made everything so convoluted, nobody really knows.

[SeattleGriz]

I asked our postal worker today if the USPS was requiring them to get vaccinated. She told me that she didn't know. I found that a rather odd answer as you would expect if there was a mandate for them she would have known.

A lot of postal workers are unionized and vaccine mandates are likely subject to collective bargaining.

Where I work has two unions and the mandate doesn't require any bargaining from them.

If I'm correct, it's something about them not quite falling into the category of being a Federal worker. Regardless. If it's good for one, it's good for all...especially Congress and our Federal court system.

[SeattleGriz]

5th Circuit halts Biden’s mandate
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... uxbndlbing

I wonder if the result would have been the same in the Ninth Circuit.

I know you're joking, but didn't we get close to equal after Trump. Thought it got reduced to only a +3 advantage for liberals.

[SeattleGriz]

Ummmm….ok?

Covid vaccine holdouts are caving to mandates — then scrambling to ‘undo’ their shots

As mandates spread, anti-vaccine groups have been trafficking in pseudoscience treatments meant to remove or counteract the vaccines. Experts say it's like trying to "unring a bell."

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... qty3tGHNSE

While some off this stuff is goofy, when the so called experts finally stop flip flopping as to whether an egg is actually good or bad for you, I'll start listening to them. In the meantime, they can keep piling up the comorbidities by not taking care of their own health.

[Gil Dobie]

Best theory I had heard on why the Flu disappeared was due to the window of testing, meaning that by the time you first test for Covid and it turns negative, it's too late to get a flu test done.

Well, it seems as if the interference theory is gaining traction. Surprisingly, it had been noticed many years ago and here is an interesting article on it. The point being is that some believe we are turning the corner on COVID because the flu is making a comeback. Edit: At the time of posting, the link isn't showing, so here it is:

(medium.com/illumination-curated/the-unexpected-case-of-the-disappearing-flu-64fd1fa5e909)

So perhaps a biological process, whereby viruses engage in some form of competition, or interactions, can better explain disappearances such as those currently being observed.

We've had 2 covid test each, because of contact, so my grandson didn't have to miss 10 days of school, and my daughter could work without quarantine. Nobody in the National Guard Armory testing facility appeared sick. That's 20 stations, with multiple people people at each station.

A majority of the times I've contracted the flu, it's been from others at work. We have been remote for going on 2 years. I would guess the flu returning as people return to the office.

[GannonFan]

5th Circuit halts Biden’s mandate
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... uxbndlbing

I wonder if the result would have been the same in the Ninth Circuit.

A mandate through OSHA will never survive the courts, that was known from the get-go. Anyone who's worked with OSHA before knows the limitations they already have in terms of certain things they govern in the workplace, and mandating people to get a vaccine, especially when there really haven't been lots of widespread workplace COVID scares (sure, there have been some, but the sheer number of workplaces makes that ratio pretty small). OSHA can't even mandate hepatitis-B vaccines for emergency responders in the workplace. Not sure this even gets by the circuit courts.