And what, praytell, is that even about, other than getting to say the word "fascism" in a quote and getting web denizens like you who google for the word "fascism" every day to retweet it or repost it?

And what, praytell, is that even about, other than getting to say the word "fascism" in a quote and getting web denizens like you who google for the word "fascism" every day to retweet it or repost it?
It’s for people who are uncomfortable with the term fascism or who fail to recognize historical echoes.
It's about kalm trying to tie fascism to corporations (i.e. private power). If he's really worried about that then he should support trump and the MAGAts, they're the ones fighting the establishment.
I'm actually shocked he posted something about fascism that didn't tie it to political conservatism, which we were told repeatedly was a definition requirement of fascism (despite a dearth of definitions including that). It must be crazy to have to go outside every day, not sure which direction fascism is coming from but knowing it's out there, stalking him.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:15 amIt's about kalm trying to tie fascism to corporations (i.e. private power). If he's really worried about that then he should support trump and the MAGAts, they're the ones fighting the establishment.![]()
The government is no closer to being beholden to a private power today then it was under trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, and so on. Between the MAGAts and pseudo-progressives, anarchy or 1984 are much more likely future outcomes.![]()
..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
Yeah! What did FDR know about fascism anyway?!?GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:21 amI'm actually shocked he posted something about fascism that didn't tie it to political conservatism, which we were told repeatedly was a definition requirement of fascism (despite a dearth of definitions including that). It must be crazy to have to go outside every day, not sure which direction fascism is coming from but knowing it's out there, stalking him.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:15 am
It's about kalm trying to tie fascism to corporations (i.e. private power). If he's really worried about that then he should support trump and the MAGAts, they're the ones fighting the establishment.![]()
The government is no closer to being beholden to a private power today then it was under trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, and so on. Between the MAGAts and pseudo-progressives, anarchy or 1984 are much more likely future outcomes.![]()
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You know some other things that could be considered fascist:kalm wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:10 pmYeah! What did FDR know about fascism anyway?!?GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:21 am
I'm actually shocked he posted something about fascism that didn't tie it to political conservatism, which we were told repeatedly was a definition requirement of fascism (despite a dearth of definitions including that). It must be crazy to have to go outside every day, not sure which direction fascism is coming from but knowing it's out there, stalking him.![]()
Lol
You could tie in…UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:29 pmYou know some other things that could be considered fascist:
- vaccine mandates (fascism doesn't respect individual rights)
- banning people from Twitter and other social media platforms (fascism doesn't allow political dissent)
I'm sure I'm missing a lot more example of Democratic Party leadership supporting and engaging in fascist activity.
It's classic kalm to resort to pulling something completely out of context, ignoring the context altogether, and trying to celebrate that you made some heretofore unknown discovery of intellectual genius that you now graciously pass on to the rest of us.kalm wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:10 pmYeah! What did FDR know about fascism anyway?!?GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:21 am
I'm actually shocked he posted something about fascism that didn't tie it to political conservatism, which we were told repeatedly was a definition requirement of fascism (despite a dearth of definitions including that). It must be crazy to have to go outside every day, not sure which direction fascism is coming from but knowing it's out there, stalking him.![]()
Lol
Is locking people up in camps something fascists do? If so, FDR knows a lot about it.kalm wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:10 pmYeah! What did FDR know about fascism anyway?!?GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:21 am
I'm actually shocked he posted something about fascism that didn't tie it to political conservatism, which we were told repeatedly was a definition requirement of fascism (despite a dearth of definitions including that). It must be crazy to have to go outside every day, not sure which direction fascism is coming from but knowing it's out there, stalking him.![]()
Lol
You seem to be quite bothered by all of this.GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:02 pmIt's classic kalm to resort to pulling something completely out of context, ignoring the context altogether, and trying to celebrate that you made some heretofore unknown discovery of intellectual genius that you now graciously pass on to the rest of us.
The quote you so latched on to, again simply because it included the word "fascism", was more or less a temper tantrum by FDR back in 1938 when the recession of '37 was still hurting the country. The country, as told by FDR, was moving out of the Great Depression because of all the great things FDR had done, as FDR said often, so there had to be some culprit other than FDR when the economy slid back into recession. So FDR decided to blame the recession on the greed of monopolists and corporations who were using the downturn to line their own pockets. He even closed the speech with the trite line of "for idle factories and idle workers profit no man".
Of course, in retrospect, all of that was bunk (certainly there was concentration of wealth and power, but that didn't cause the recession). FDR had been hounding business for years up until then (remember, '37 was the year that he tried the court packing scheme to get around that silly "democracy" thing). Surprisingly, business investments during that time were muted for fear of being accused of profiting during such a bleak time in the country. And then, throwing economic sense aside, FDR decided balancing the budget was more important than keeping the momentum of climbing out of the Depression and he drastically cut back money to programs that were working (PWA and WPA especially). And he did this while the Fed raised rates and negatively impacted the supply of money. Again in retrospect, no shock that a recession followed.
Ironically, this resorting to calling things "fascist" to cover over failings and to place blame on others, including the other political party, isn't just a recent phenomenon, it was a playbook of FDR even back then. And again, ironically, poor economic policy by the Executive branch, coupled with poor decisions by the Fed, along with scaring away business investment (back then in factories and manufacturing, today in fossil fuels and things associated with it) resulted in a recession that those responsible for tried everything to pass blame onto anyone but themselves.
I can't wait for your next example of unsubstantiated fascist-shaming of something else, especially from history, you don't know the full story of but looks good today in a meme. It's like batting practice and you're just grooving pitches in to be smacked around.![]()
One of the few things that really annoys me is when people with only a cursory knowledge of history incorrectly apply that incomplete knowledge just to further some questionable position in our current time. I hate it when people use history incorrectly. So yes, you bothered me in this case. Do better.kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:54 amYou seem to be quite bothered by all of this.GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:02 pm
It's classic kalm to resort to pulling something completely out of context, ignoring the context altogether, and trying to celebrate that you made some heretofore unknown discovery of intellectual genius that you now graciously pass on to the rest of us.
The quote you so latched on to, again simply because it included the word "fascism", was more or less a temper tantrum by FDR back in 1938 when the recession of '37 was still hurting the country. The country, as told by FDR, was moving out of the Great Depression because of all the great things FDR had done, as FDR said often, so there had to be some culprit other than FDR when the economy slid back into recession. So FDR decided to blame the recession on the greed of monopolists and corporations who were using the downturn to line their own pockets. He even closed the speech with the trite line of "for idle factories and idle workers profit no man".
Of course, in retrospect, all of that was bunk (certainly there was concentration of wealth and power, but that didn't cause the recession). FDR had been hounding business for years up until then (remember, '37 was the year that he tried the court packing scheme to get around that silly "democracy" thing). Surprisingly, business investments during that time were muted for fear of being accused of profiting during such a bleak time in the country. And then, throwing economic sense aside, FDR decided balancing the budget was more important than keeping the momentum of climbing out of the Depression and he drastically cut back money to programs that were working (PWA and WPA especially). And he did this while the Fed raised rates and negatively impacted the supply of money. Again in retrospect, no shock that a recession followed.
Ironically, this resorting to calling things "fascist" to cover over failings and to place blame on others, including the other political party, isn't just a recent phenomenon, it was a playbook of FDR even back then. And again, ironically, poor economic policy by the Executive branch, coupled with poor decisions by the Fed, along with scaring away business investment (back then in factories and manufacturing, today in fossil fuels and things associated with it) resulted in a recession that those responsible for tried everything to pass blame onto anyone but themselves.
I can't wait for your next example of unsubstantiated fascist-shaming of something else, especially from history, you don't know the full story of but looks good today in a meme. It's like batting practice and you're just grooving pitches in to be smacked around.![]()
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You’re projecting. LolGannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:06 amOne of the few things that really annoys me is when people with only a cursory knowledge of history incorrectly apply that incomplete knowledge just to further some questionable position in our current time. I hate it when people use history incorrectly. So yes, you bothered me in this case. Do better.![]()
Stop using history incorrectly. Deflecting that with personal attacks doesn't change anything. Prove me wrong if you really want to debate.kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:47 amYou’re projecting. LolGannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:06 am
One of the few things that really annoys me is when people with only a cursory knowledge of history incorrectly apply that incomplete knowledge just to further some questionable position in our current time. I hate it when people use history incorrectly. So yes, you bothered me in this case. Do better.![]()
Personal attacks? You’re projecting again. Lol.
How are we supposed to get rid of the secret societies? Aren't they secret? How will we even know if we got all of them?
Holy confirmation bias, Batman.kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:40 amPersonal attacks? You’re projecting again. Lol.
Off the top of my head, those who disagree with you…
MIT history professor Heather Cox Richardson. Sample read here: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... st-11-2021
That Yale history professor I linked to awhile back.
FDR
Sinclair Lewis (no not the misappropriated quote)
Cripes… I just listened to an interview with Capital Hill Police officer Michael Fanone who disagrees with you. And he voted for Trump in 2016.
What are you even arguing for or against at this point? You seem to have no specific direction in mind, so how can anyone agree with you? You posted, completely without prompt, a quote from FDR that equated private power, versus government power, as fascism. I gave you the context of the larger speech/address that contained that quote and that FDR's real motivation in that speech, rather than providing a definition of fascism to be used 90 years later in message board fodder, was to deflect blame for a recession that he played a large part in bringing about. Where you went from that, other than shrugging off the historical record, is beyond me. When you're ready to reel it back in and have a cogent discussion, let us know.kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:40 amPersonal attacks? You’re projecting again. Lol.
Off the top of my head, those who disagree with you…
MIT history professor Heather Cox Richardson. Sample read here: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... st-11-2021
That Yale history professor I linked to awhile back.
FDR
Sinclair Lewis (no not the misappropriated quote)
Cripes… I just listened to an interview with Capital Hill Police officer Michael Fanone who disagrees with you. And he voted for Trump in 2016.
Fascism is obviously a pertinent topic today regardless of your feels. Again…there are historical echoes and FDR is a good source to quote if you hear those echoes. Causes of the mini depression are up for debate as are your takes on FDR’s motivations (hint: he was saying similar things before this and it wasn’t just an American thing). I suggest you read Heather Cox Richardson’s piece. Or…you can always swipe past the uncomfortable posts.GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:51 amWhat are you even arguing for or against at this point? You seem to have no specific direction in mind, so how can anyone agree with you? You posted, completely without prompt, a quote from FDR that equated private power, versus government power, as fascism. I gave you the context of the larger speech/address that contained that quote and that FDR's real motivation in that speech, rather than providing a definition of fascism to be used 90 years later in message board fodder, was to deflect blame for a recession that he played a large part in bringing about. Where you went from that, other than shrugging off the historical record, is beyond me. When you're ready to reel it back in and have a cogent discussion, let us know.kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:40 am
Personal attacks? You’re projecting again. Lol.
Off the top of my head, those who disagree with you…
MIT history professor Heather Cox Richardson. Sample read here: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... st-11-2021
That Yale history professor I linked to awhile back.
FDR
Sinclair Lewis (no not the misappropriated quote)
Cripes… I just listened to an interview with Capital Hill Police officer Michael Fanone who disagrees with you. And he voted for Trump in 2016.![]()
Fascism is pertinent today because of pearl-clutching chicken littles who ignored or defended the violence and intimidation of the AnTiFa riots that began in 2020 but got their panties in a bunch over January 6 (and that trump won in 2016). trump is not a fascist. Our Republic was not in danger of falling on January 6. To say otherwise is incendiary, fear-mongering.kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:33 pmFascism is obviously a pertinent topic today regardless of your feels. Again…there are historical echoes and FDR is a good source to quote if you hear those echoes. Causes of the mini depression are up for debate as are your takes on FDR’s motivations (hint: he was saying similar things before this and it wasn’t just an American thing). I suggest you read Heather Cox Richardson’s piece. Or…you can always swipe past the uncomfortable posts.GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:51 am
What are you even arguing for or against at this point? You seem to have no specific direction in mind, so how can anyone agree with you? You posted, completely without prompt, a quote from FDR that equated private power, versus government power, as fascism. I gave you the context of the larger speech/address that contained that quote and that FDR's real motivation in that speech, rather than providing a definition of fascism to be used 90 years later in message board fodder, was to deflect blame for a recession that he played a large part in bringing about. Where you went from that, other than shrugging off the historical record, is beyond me. When you're ready to reel it back in and have a cogent discussion, let us know.![]()
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Agreed. I'm splitting my ticket, again, this year since I vote for the person and not the party. But it has become increasingly disturbing to hear Democrat after Democrat, and some at the highest levels, say that a vote for any Republican is voting for the end of democracy and the end of the Republic. The stakes are nowhere near that high, and besides, they've been saying that since at least 2016, if not since before then, and yet, here the Republic still stands today. The Democrats are increasingly overly occupied with boogeymen that they want to believe are as evil and as capable as they imagine, and they increasingly move to these vitriolic characterizations when the actual issues at hand - the economy, immigration, taxes, education, etc - don't tilt in their favor. The GOP isn't innocent in this either, and they have their share of absolute loonies who probably would like to eliminate the Republic, but they are nowhere near capable of doing that despite what the Democrats say. The Democrats were adamant that the new voting laws in Georgia were Jim Crow 2.0, as they called it, and those laws have been proved to be absolutely nothing of the sort.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:05 pmFascism is pertinent today because of pearl-clutching chicken littles who ignored or defended the violence and intimidation of the AnTiFa riots that began in 2020 but got their panties in a bunch over January 6 (and that trump won in 2016). trump is not a fascist. Our Republic was not in danger of falling on January 6. To say otherwise is incendiary, fear-mongering.kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:33 pm
Fascism is obviously a pertinent topic today regardless of your feels. Again…there are historical echoes and FDR is a good source to quote if you hear those echoes. Causes of the mini depression are up for debate as are your takes on FDR’s motivations (hint: he was saying similar things before this and it wasn’t just an American thing). I suggest you read Heather Cox Richardson’s piece. Or…you can always swipe past the uncomfortable posts.![]()
These same illiberals who are up in arms over what they perceive as fascism are okay with using fascist tactics against their opponents and say nothing about the adoration by the left of socialists whose crimes against humanity exceed those of the fascists they abhor.
Leftists who want to oppose fascism and fascist tactics should start by looking in the mirror.
It’s also pertinent because of…you know…fools acting like fascists and trying to subvert the election process and preaching violence as a means. And some principled conservatives sharing the same concerns over this.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:05 pmFascism is pertinent today because of pearl-clutching chicken littles who ignored or defended the violence and intimidation of the AnTiFa riots that began in 2020 but got their panties in a bunch over January 6 (and that trump won in 2016). trump is not a fascist. Our Republic was not in danger of falling on January 6. To say otherwise is incendiary, fear-mongering.kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:33 pm
Fascism is obviously a pertinent topic today regardless of your feels. Again…there are historical echoes and FDR is a good source to quote if you hear those echoes. Causes of the mini depression are up for debate as are your takes on FDR’s motivations (hint: he was saying similar things before this and it wasn’t just an American thing). I suggest you read Heather Cox Richardson’s piece. Or…you can always swipe past the uncomfortable posts.![]()
These same illiberals who are up in arms over what they perceive as fascism are okay with using fascist tactics against their opponents and say nothing about the adoration by the left of socialists whose crimes against humanity exceed those of the fascists they abhor.
Leftists who want to oppose fascism and fascist tactics should start by considering their own tactics and actions. People in glass houses and all that.![]()