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Ibanez wrote: Possible vs Probable. :coffee: The point is that it can be done, and if you're in a state that has a curtain or something shielding you, then it becomes more probable.

But is it worth the effort to hack 1 machine? To have any effect, you're better off to hack the system loads the ballots onto the cartridges and/or smart cards. And honestly, that's probably easier to do.
I'm still wondering why folks were adamant on here that prior elections there never could've been nor was there any chance of hacking or vote fraud, but now we're coming out of the woodwork with how fragile our election system is and how easy it is to falsify votes.

A large group of Democrats have been calling for return to paper ballots for quite awhile - predating Obama's election.

There have been far too many irregularities with voting machines - screens flipping votes, not recording, etc.
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dbackjon wrote:A large group of Democrats have been calling for return to paper ballots for quite awhile -except for Obama's elections.
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Wonder what Trump's nickname for Admiral McRaven will be?

Backstabbin' Bill?
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Dear Mr. President:

Former CIA director John Brennan, whose security clearance you revoked on Wednesday, is one of the finest public servants I have ever known. Few Americans have done more to protect this country than John. He is a man of unparalleled integrity, whose honesty and character have never been in question, except by those who don't know him.

Therefore, I would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency.

Like most Americans, I had hoped that when you became president, you would rise to the occasion and become the leader this great nation needs.

A good leader tries to embody the best qualities of his or her organization. A good leader sets the example for others to follow. A good leader always puts the welfare of others before himself or herself.

Your leadership, however, has shown little of these qualities. Through your actions, you have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world stage and, worst of all, divided us as a nation.

If you think for a moment that your McCarthy-era tactics will suppress the voices of criticism, you are sadly mistaken. The criticism will continue until you become the leader we prayed you would be.
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Why does a former ANYTHING need to still have a security clearance? Should have been revoked the day he was removed from the position.
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AZGrizFan wrote:Why does a former ANYTHING need to still have a security clearance? Should have been revoked the day he was removed from the position.
This.
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SDHornet wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:Why does a former ANYTHING need to still have a security clearance? Should have been revoked the day he was removed from the position.
This.
I mean, the one thing I learned in the military was you had to have a “need to know” to get the appropriate clearance. What retired/removed person still has a “need to know”? Clearances are routinely adjusted in the military depending on position/need. If a person is retired or no longer a civil servant, why would they ever need a clearance?

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AZGrizFan wrote:
SDHornet wrote: This.
I mean, the one thing I learned in the military was you had to have a “need to know” to get the appropriate clearance. What retired/removed person still has a “need to know”? Clearances are routinely adjusted in the military depending on position/need. If a person is retired or no longer a civil servant, why would they ever need a clearance?

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National security types at the policy level generally keep their clearances after they step down for a large number of reasons. One of the main ones is that they need to be able to assist their successors with legacy issues, etc. They also generate a lot of their own classified, which they may need access to for various reasons.

Brennan's a bit self righteous but he hasn't done anything to get his clearance revoked that I know of. This is just petty but it plays to his base. And it is pure "The Apprentice".

Over/under on him doing it to Hillary and Susan Rice is about 6 months, I'd say

in fact, look for people like that to start trolling him into doing it
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Wonder what Trump's nickname for Admiral McRaven will be?

Backstabbin' Bill?
Craven McRaven?
Dear Mr. President:

Former CIA director John Brennan, whose security clearance you revoked on Wednesday, is one of the finest public servants I have ever known. Few Americans have done more to protect this country than John. He is a man of unparalleled integrity, whose honesty and character have never been in question, except by those who don't know him.

Therefore, I would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency.

Like most Americans, I had hoped that when you became president, you would rise to the occasion and become the leader this great nation needs.

A good leader tries to embody the best qualities of his or her organization. A good leader sets the example for others to follow. A good leader always puts the welfare of others before himself or herself.

Your leadership, however, has shown little of these qualities. Through your actions, you have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world stage and, worst of all, divided us as a nation.

If you think for a moment that your McCarthy-era tactics will suppress the voices of criticism, you are sadly mistaken. The criticism will continue until you become the leader we prayed you would be.
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AZGrizFan wrote:Why does a former ANYTHING need to still have a security clearance? Should have been revoked the day he was removed from the position.

And I may have missed it, but where are all the Republicans bitching about Trump punishing people for exercising their 1st Amendment Right?


Edit: I see that CID responded re: retirees maintaining security clearances. No need for the duplicate post. :thumb:
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Ibanez wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:Why does a former ANYTHING need to still have a security clearance? Should have been revoked the day he was removed from the position.

And I may have missed it, but where are all the Republicans bitching about Trump punishing people for exercising their 1st Amendment Right?


Edit: I see that CID responded re: retirees maintaining security clearances. No need for the duplicate post. :thumb:
How is revoking a security clearance punishing someone for exercising their 1A rights???

The action that Trump took is petty...agreed....unpresidential...yes...but punishment??? That sounds vaguely like a DNC talking point...

I’d have loved to have kept my clearance when I retired...

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Col Hogan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:

And I may have missed it, but where are all the Republicans bitching about Trump punishing people for exercising their 1st Amendment Right?


Edit: I see that CID responded re: retirees maintaining security clearances. No need for the duplicate post. :thumb:
How is revoking a security clearance punishing someone for exercising their 1A rights???

The action that Trump took is petty...agreed....unpresidential...yes...but punishment??? That sounds vaguely like a DNC talking point...

I’d have loved to have kept my clearance when I retired...

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I don't know if it's a DNC talking point but you have someone, at the highest levels of our intel community speaking out against the President (for good or bad) and the President decides to revoke his clearance? What else would you call it? :dunce: It isn't like he revoked the clearance of some low level nobody that would never be asked to give advice on a current situation or something to that effect. There's a good reason why Brennan, Rice, Powell, etc... maintain their clearances and CID has already outlined it. To me, it's pretty obvious. Trump, who can't take criticism (or a joke), doesn't like someone so he lashes out and tries to make their life miserable. It's a pattern we've seen all to often.

Why do you think Trump decided to revoke access? Was it really b/c he didn't need to know or was it b/c of his "commentary" as Trump said?


And honestly, why would someone like you retain a clearance?
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Brennan already held what is arguably the mostly highly sensitive position of public trust in the country

I’m pretty sure he can be trusted not to run to the Chinese like that Snowden guy klam is so enamored with

Trump certainly has the authority to revoke any clearance- but under normal circumstances that would be when the subject is engaging in compromising behavior

This was nothing more than Trump,lashing out - there was no justification given for revoking Brennan’s clearance. The guy is a choad but he hasn’t done anything to rate losing his clearance over
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CID1990 wrote:Trump certainly has the authority to revoke any clearance- but under normal circumstances that would be when the subject is engaging in compromising behavior
And, he can also grant them... even when the applicants can't get them through the normal process. :ohno:
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CID1990 wrote:Brennan already held what is arguably the mostly highly sensitive position of public trust in the country

I’m pretty sure he can be trusted not to run to the Chinese like that Snowden guy klam is so enamored with

Trump certainly has the authority to revoke any clearance- but under normal circumstances that would be when the subject is engaging in compromising behavior

This was nothing more than Trump,lashing out - there was no justification given for revoking Brennan’s clearance. The guy is a choad but he hasn’t done anything to rate losing his clearance over
Things Brennan was responsible for:

Recommending we NOT strike OBL in 1998
Stated jihad is a "legitimate tenet of Islam"
Lied about Al Qaeda's eminent demise
Lying to congress
CIA Chief in Riyadh in 1996 during bombing of Khobar Towers & killing of 19 servicemen
Spying on Presidential candidates
Fabricating stories about attacks on US personnel in Libya
Providing weapons to ISIS backed militias in Syria
Requiring Benghazi survivors to lie about the truth

I respectfully disagree with your last statement.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
CID1990 wrote:Brennan already held what is arguably the mostly highly sensitive position of public trust in the country

I’m pretty sure he can be trusted not to run to the Chinese like that Snowden guy klam is so enamored with

Trump certainly has the authority to revoke any clearance- but under normal circumstances that would be when the subject is engaging in compromising behavior

This was nothing more than Trump,lashing out - there was no justification given for revoking Brennan’s clearance. The guy is a choad but he hasn’t done anything to rate losing his clearance over
Things Brennan was responsible for:

Recommending we NOT strike OBL in 1998
Stated jihad is a "legitimate tenet of Islam"
Lied about Al Qaeda's eminent demise
Lying to congress
CIA Chief in Riyadh in 1996 during bombing of Khobar Towers & killing of 19 servicemen
Spying on Presidential candidates
Fabricating stories about attacks on US personnel in Libya
Providing weapons to ISIS backed militias in Syria
Requiring Benghazi survivors to lie about the truth

I respectfully disagree with your last statement.
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BDKJMU wrote: Why do you care I called them losers? You sound defensive. Are you a millennial hipster?
If you haven't realized that I like to play devils advocate, then you aren't paying attention. :geek:


And no, I'm hardly a hipster. Millennial - yes. But I don't identify with them. I grew up with Gen Xers. I like seeing you getting your BP up over people that live differently than you.

They are different there for they are "losers". :lol:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
CID1990 wrote:Brennan already held what is arguably the mostly highly sensitive position of public trust in the country

I’m pretty sure he can be trusted not to run to the Chinese like that Snowden guy klam is so enamored with

Trump certainly has the authority to revoke any clearance- but under normal circumstances that would be when the subject is engaging in compromising behavior

This was nothing more than Trump,lashing out - there was no justification given for revoking Brennan’s clearance. The guy is a choad but he hasn’t done anything to rate losing his clearance over
Things Brennan was responsible for:

Recommending we NOT strike OBL in 1998
Stated jihad is a "legitimate tenet of Islam"
Lied about Al Qaeda's eminent demise
Lying to congress
CIA Chief in Riyadh in 1996 during bombing of Khobar Towers & killing of 19 servicemen
Spying on Presidential candidates
Fabricating stories about attacks on US personnel in Libya
Providing weapons to ISIS backed militias in Syria
Requiring Benghazi survivors to lie about the truth

I respectfully disagree with your last statement.
Trump cited none of those things

But I'm sure he'll get around to it retroactively


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Pwns wrote:An example of your mind being so open that there's no neurons left...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/34581/am ... 51717-news

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AZGrizFan wrote:Why does a former ANYTHING need to still have a security clearance? Should have been revoked the day he was removed from the position.

Hmmm You don't think that new people in a security position would EVER have the need to consult with experts that handled the same issues before?

It's just common sense - the CIA, FBI, NSA - most are dedicated professionals that are willing to help their successors regardless of party - with advice, etc.
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AZGrizFan wrote:Why does a former ANYTHING need to still have a security clearance? Should have been revoked the day he was removed from the position.

Hmmm You don't think that new people in a security position would EVER have the need to consult with experts that handled the same issues before?

It's just common sense - the CIA, FBI, NSA - most are dedicated professionals that are willing to help their successors regardless of party - with advice, etc.
I don't know enough about this to have an opinion one way or the other, but he can be asked about what went on while he ran the show without the clearance. You don't need a security clearance to talk, you need one to hear. And he doesn't need to know what is going on now to talk about the past. And if he did, you just issue a new clearance if you think he can help. But the decision making is in the hands of other people now.
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dbackjon wrote:

Hmmm You don't think that new people in a security position would EVER have the need to consult with experts that handled the same issues before?

It's just common sense - the CIA, FBI, NSA - most are dedicated professionals that are willing to help their successors regardless of party - with advice, etc.
I don't know enough about this to have an opinion one way or the other, but he can be asked about what went on while he ran the show without the clearance. You don't need a security clearance to talk, you need one to hear. And he doesn't need to know what is going on now to talk about the past. And if he did, you just issue a new clearance if you think he can help. But the decision making is in the hands of other people now.
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Pwns wrote: So all you have to do is pull this out here and rearrange this here and wait a minute for it to boot and then figure out how to navigate the interface and then you're done!

Yup, no one will get caught doing that! :lol:
These are the same clowns who scoff at the idea that good old fashioned analog voter fraud happens

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These are the same clowns who scoff at the idea that good old fashioned analog voter fraud happens

Hey, Pwns, what is a Nazi? You call people that, yet you have no idea what one is.


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AZGrizFan wrote:
CID1990 wrote:Brennan already held what is arguably the mostly highly sensitive position of public trust in the country

I’m pretty sure he can be trusted not to run to the Chinese like that Snowden guy klam is so enamored with

Trump certainly has the authority to revoke any clearance- but under normal circumstances that would be when the subject is engaging in compromising behavior

This was nothing more than Trump,lashing out - there was no justification given for revoking Brennan’s clearance. The guy is a choad but he hasn’t done anything to rate losing his clearance over
Things Brennan was responsible for:

Recommending we NOT strike OBL in 1998
Stated jihad is a "legitimate tenet of Islam"
Lied about Al Qaeda's eminent demise
Lying to congress
CIA Chief in Riyadh in 1996 during bombing of Khobar Towers & killing of 19 servicemen
Spying on Presidential candidates
Fabricating stories about attacks on US personnel in Libya
Providing weapons to ISIS backed militias in Syria
Requiring Benghazi survivors to lie about the truth

I respectfully disagree with your last statement.
You are truly lost if you disagree with the statement that the guy hadn't done anything to justify taking his clearance away.
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CID1990 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Things Brennan was responsible for:

Recommending we NOT strike OBL in 1998
Stated jihad is a "legitimate tenet of Islam"
Lied about Al Qaeda's eminent demise
Lying to congress
CIA Chief in Riyadh in 1996 during bombing of Khobar Towers & killing of 19 servicemen
Spying on Presidential candidates
Fabricating stories about attacks on US personnel in Libya
Providing weapons to ISIS backed militias in Syria
Requiring Benghazi survivors to lie about the truth

I respectfully disagree with your last statement.
Trump cited none of those things

But I'm sure he'll get around to it retroactively


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What trump cited is irrelevant. You said he hasn’t done anything to warrant getting his clearance taken away. Given that list, has he or hasn’t he (regardless of Trump’s motivations)?
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