"Islamic Extremist" Kills Dozens In Orlando Gay Club

[POD Knows]

Then you don't listen very well

Pretty weak sauce, PUD Nose......you still need a few more seasons with the developmental league over at AGS.

With hard work and practice you will improve.

THIS is the majors??? You got to be fucking kidding me. They let you in here and your are the second stupidest motherfucker I have ever seen post on any message board, and that is saying a lot.

As for my reply to Jizz Balls or whatever his name is, I wasn't going to waste my time attempting to explain my original post, people that can't see the obvious are seldom enlightened through additional explanation.

Don't you have some curtains to hang or a cake to bake. GFYS

[Ibanez]

This just got more interesting:

At least four regular customers of Pulse, the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender nightclub where the massacre took place, told the Orlando Sentinel on Monday that they believed they had seen Mateen there before.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orl ... story.html

Gun-toting, self-hating Gay Democrat? That's like a Unicorn!

[kalm]

Is self defense murder?

Yes. You've still killed someone. But our society, and I agree, that murdering someone to save your own life is justifiable. Justifiable homicide is a gray area, granted, but our world is gray. It certainly isn't black or white.

Murder is the the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Its synonyms are: killing, homicide, execution, etc...

Do you wish to debate the nuances?

I think you're doing just fine on your own.

[Ibanez]

Yes. You've still killed someone. But our society, and I agree, that murdering someone to save your own life is justifiable. Justifiable homicide is a gray area, granted, but our world is gray. It certainly isn't black or white.

Murder is the the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Its synonyms are: killing, homicide, execution, etc...

Do you wish to debate the nuances?

I think you're doing just fine on your own.

Murder is murder. Justified or not. It's all murder.

You sure, I know how much you love nuance.

[DSUrocks07]

War is the ultimate instance of self defense.

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For one side, yeah.

Only if it results in a stalemate, IMO.

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[kalm]

I think you're doing just fine on your own.

Murder is murder. Justified or not. It's all murder.

You sure, I know how much you love nuance.

Okee dokee.

[Wedgebuster]

Appears to me, this whole "radical islamic terrorist" theory is falling down like a house of dominos, looks to me like it is a case of a gay man jilted by either his own cravings or by another person, rejection, reaction and using the terror thing as an excuse to go into a club he frequented and killing people he knew...

This is not international terrorism, it is a crime, a crime of passion.

Dumb-ass Trump is screwing his own pooch jumping to conclusions, and linking this event to Clinton and Obama, even insinuating Obama is secretly aiding islamic terrorists..

....and we have almost no limit of doofuses who actually believe what this douche spouts.

Fucking embarrassing that we have that many dumb fuckers breathing our air in this country.

[grizzaholic]

Pretty weak sauce, PUD Nose......you still need a few more seasons with the developmental league over at AGS.

With hard work and practice you will improve.

THIS is the majors??? You got to be fucking kidding me. They let you in here and your are the second stupidest motherfucker I have ever seen post on any message board, and that is saying a lot.

As for my reply to Jizz Balls or whatever his name is, I wasn't going to waste my time attempting to explain my original post, people that can't see the obvious are seldom enlightened through additional explanation.

Don't you have some curtains to hang or a cake to bake. GFYS

Don't talk to houndy. He is a dummie.

[DSUrocks07]

Appears to me, this whole "radical islamic terrorist" theory is falling down like a house of dominos, looks to me like it is a case of a gay man jilted by either his own cravings or by another person, rejection, reaction and using the terror thing as an excuse to go into a club he frequented and killing people he knew...

This is not international terrorism, it is a crime, a crime of passion.

Dumb-ass Trump is screwing his own pooch jumping to conclusions, and linking this event to Clinton and Obama, even insinuating Obama is secretly aiding islamic terrorists..

....and we have almost no limit of doofuses who actually believe what this douche spouts.

**** embarrassing that we have that many dumb **** breathing our air in this country.

Where is your sensitivity for a minority gay man who was struggling with his identity.

I was sure he was a gaypussyfaggot once it came out that he was a registered Democrat.

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[POD Knows]

THIS is the majors??? You got to be **** kidding me. They let you in here and your are the second stupidest motherfucker I have ever seen post on any message board, and that is saying a lot.

As for my reply to Jizz Balls or whatever his name is, I wasn't going to waste my time attempting to explain my original post, people that can't see the obvious are seldom enlightened through additional explanation.

Don't you have some curtains to hang or a cake to bake. GFYS

Don't talk to houndy. He is a dummie.

Yea, I have seen his work on multiple message boards. It is spellbinding stupid. It has to be some genetic disorder.

[∞∞∞]

Appears to me, this whole "radical islamic terrorist" theory is falling down like a house of dominos, looks to me like it is a case of a gay man jilted by either his own cravings or by another person, rejection, reaction and using the terror thing as an excuse to go into a club he frequented and killing people he knew...

This is not international terrorism, it is a crime, a crime of passion.

Dumb-ass Trump is screwing his own pooch jumping to conclusions, and linking this event to Clinton and Obama, even insinuating Obama is secretly aiding islamic terrorists..

....and we have almost no limit of doofuses who actually believe what this douche spouts.

**** embarrassing that we have that many dumb **** breathing our air in this country.

I think there's a lot of layers to this one. I think the self-radicalization might have pushed him over the edge, but it's pretty clear this guy had a ton of mental health issues beforehand. This doesn't seem like a clear-cut case of terrorism in the classical sense, but there's no doubt terrorism played a role here as well.

All in all, it seems like mental health issues, a self-struggle between his homosexuality and Islam, his self-radicalization, the FBI dropping the ball, the lack of him receiving the mental care he needed, and the lack of tougher gun controls all contributed to an extremely unfortunate event.

Again, it looks like a multi-layered crime that as a society, I hope we can learn a lot from and institute better safeguards against without losing our humanity and values.

[Rob Iola]

Appears to me, this whole "radical islamic terrorist" theory is falling down like a house of dominos, looks to me like it is a case of a gay man jilted by either his own cravings or by another person, rejection, reaction and using the terror thing as an excuse to go into a club he frequented and killing people he knew...

This is not international terrorism, it is a crime, a crime of passion.

Dumb-ass Trump is screwing his own pooch jumping to conclusions, and linking this event to Clinton and Obama, even insinuating Obama is secretly aiding islamic terrorists..

....and we have almost no limit of doofuses who actually believe what this douche spouts.

**** embarrassing that we have that many dumb **** breathing our air in this country.

I think there's a lot of layers to this one. I think the self-radicalization might have pushed him over the edge, but it's pretty clear this guy had a ton of mental health issues beforehand. This doesn't seem like a clear-cut case of terrorism in the classical sense, but there's no doubt terrorism played a role here as well.

All in all, it seems like mental health issues, a self-struggle between his homosexuality and Islam, his self-radicalization, the FBI dropping the ball, the lack of him receiving the mental care he needed, and the lack of tougher gun controls all contributed to an extremely unfortunate event.

Again, it looks like a multi-layered crime that as a society, I hope we can learn a lot from and institute better safeguards against without losing our humanity and values.

And then there's dear ol' dad...

[kalm]

Appears to me, this whole "radical islamic terrorist" theory is falling down like a house of dominos, looks to me like it is a case of a gay man jilted by either his own cravings or by another person, rejection, reaction and using the terror thing as an excuse to go into a club he frequented and killing people he knew...

This is not international terrorism, it is a crime, a crime of passion.

Dumb-ass Trump is screwing his own pooch jumping to conclusions, and linking this event to Clinton and Obama, even insinuating Obama is secretly aiding islamic terrorists..

....and we have almost no limit of doofuses who actually believe what this douche spouts.

**** embarrassing that we have that many dumb **** breathing our air in this country.

I think there's a lot of layers to this one. I think the self-radicalization might have pushed him over the edge, but it's pretty clear this guy had a ton of mental health issues beforehand. This doesn't seem like a clear-cut case of terrorism in the classical sense, but there's no doubt terrorism played a role here as well.

All in all, it seems like mental health issues, a self-struggle between his homosexuality and Islam, his self-radicalization, the FBI dropping the ball, the lack of him receiving the mental care he needed, and the lack of tougher gun controls all contributed to an extremely unfortunate event.

Again, it looks like a multi-layered crime that as a society, I hope we can learn a lot from and institute better safeguards against without losing our humanity and values.

There are also reports that he had previously pledged allegiance to Hezbollah and Al Quaeda who aren't exactly chummy with ISIS.

He was all over the map.

[Wedgebuster]

Appears to me, this whole "radical islamic terrorist" theory is falling down like a house of dominos, looks to me like it is a case of a gay man jilted by either his own cravings or by another person, rejection, reaction and using the terror thing as an excuse to go into a club he frequented and killing people he knew...

This is not international terrorism, it is a crime, a crime of passion.

Dumb-ass Trump is screwing his own pooch jumping to conclusions, and linking this event to Clinton and Obama, even insinuating Obama is secretly aiding islamic terrorists..

....and we have almost no limit of doofuses who actually believe what this douche spouts.

**** embarrassing that we have that many dumb **** breathing our air in this country.

I think there's a lot of layers to this one. I think the self-radicalization might have pushed him over the edge, but it's pretty clear this guy had a ton of mental health issues beforehand. This doesn't seem like a clear-cut case of terrorism in the classical sense, but there's no doubt terrorism played a role here as well.

All in all, it seems like mental health issues, a self-struggle between his homosexuality and Islam, his self-radicalization, the FBI dropping the ball, the lack of him receiving the mental care he needed, and the lack of tougher gun controls all contributed to an extremely unfortunate event.

Again, it looks like a multi-layered crime that as a society, I hope we can learn a lot from and institute better safeguards against without losing our humanity and values.

One could hope so, but not in today's toxic political posturing BS..

[Wedgebuster]

I think there's a lot of layers to this one. I think the self-radicalization might have pushed him over the edge, but it's pretty clear this guy had a ton of mental health issues beforehand. This doesn't seem like a clear-cut case of terrorism in the classical sense, but there's no doubt terrorism played a role here as well.

All in all, it seems like mental health issues, a self-struggle between his homosexuality and Islam, his self-radicalization, the FBI dropping the ball, the lack of him receiving the mental care he needed, and the lack of tougher gun controls all contributed to an extremely unfortunate event.

Again, it looks like a multi-layered crime that as a society, I hope we can learn a lot from and institute better safeguards against without losing our humanity and values.

There are also reports that he had previously pledged allegiance to Hezbollah and Al Quaeda who aren't exactly chummy with ISIS.

He was all over the map.

It is that fact, that makes me think it is only cover. The dude was distraught about bent dick or broke dick syndrome IMO.

[Ibanez]

Appears to me, this whole "radical islamic terrorist" theory is falling down like a house of dominos, looks to me like it is a case of a gay man jilted by either his own cravings or by another person, rejection, reaction and using the terror thing as an excuse to go into a club he frequented and killing people he knew...

This is not international terrorism, it is a crime, a crime of passion.

Dumb-ass Trump is screwing his own pooch jumping to conclusions, and linking this event to Clinton and Obama, even insinuating Obama is secretly aiding islamic terrorists..

....and we have almost no limit of doofuses who actually believe what this douche spouts.

**** embarrassing that we have that many dumb **** breathing our air in this country.

I think there's a lot of layers to this one. I think the self-radicalization might have pushed him over the edge, but it's pretty clear this guy had a ton of mental health issues beforehand. This doesn't seem like a clear-cut case of terrorism in the classical sense, but there's no doubt terrorism played a role here as well.

All in all, it seems like mental health issues, a self-struggle between his homosexuality and Islam, his self-radicalization, the FBI dropping the ball, the lack of him receiving the mental care he needed, and the lack of tougher gun controls all contributed to an extremely unfortunate event.

Again, it looks like a multi-layered crime that as a society, I hope we can learn a lot from and institute better safeguards against without losing our humanity and values.

If our country would treat mental illness properly then think of the lives that would be saved. So much happens because we either are aware or don't help others seek counseling when we know they need it. Adam Lanza wouldn't have murdered all those children if only his mother wasn't a selfish bitch and got him the treatment he needed. Oh, and she should never have given him a weapon.

[Wedgebuster]

Appears to me, this whole "radical islamic terrorist" theory is falling down like a house of dominos, looks to me like it is a case of a gay man jilted by either his own cravings or by another person, rejection, reaction and using the terror thing as an excuse to go into a club he frequented and killing people he knew...

This is not international terrorism, it is a crime, a crime of passion.

Dumb-ass Trump is screwing his own pooch jumping to conclusions, and linking this event to Clinton and Obama, even insinuating Obama is secretly aiding islamic terrorists..

....and we have almost no limit of doofuses who actually believe what this douche spouts.

**** embarrassing that we have that many dumb **** breathing our air in this country.

Where is your sensitivity for a minority gay man who was struggling with his identity.

I was sure he was a gaypussyfaggot once it came out that he was a registered Democrat.

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Well, you just exposed your stupidity without any reservation, you are one of them..

[Ivytalk]

Appears to me, this whole "radical islamic terrorist" theory is falling down like a house of dominos, looks to me like it is a case of a gay man jilted by either his own cravings or by another person, rejection, reaction and using the terror thing as an excuse to go into a club he frequented and killing people he knew...

This is not international terrorism, it is a crime, a crime of passion.

Dumb-ass Trump is screwing his own pooch jumping to conclusions, and linking this event to Clinton and Obama, even insinuating Obama is secretly aiding islamic terrorists..

....and we have almost no limit of doofuses who actually believe what this douche spouts.

**** embarrassing that we have that many dumb **** breathing our air in this country.

I think there's a lot of layers to this one. I think the self-radicalization might have pushed him over the edge, but it's pretty clear this guy had a ton of mental health issues beforehand. This doesn't seem like a clear-cut case of terrorism in the classical sense, but there's no doubt terrorism played a role here as well.

All in all, it seems like mental health issues, a self-struggle between his homosexuality and Islam, his self-radicalization, the FBI dropping the ball, the lack of him receiving the mental care he needed, and the lack of tougher gun controls all contributed to an extremely unfortunate event.

Again, it looks like a multi-layered crime that as a society, I hope we can learn a lot from and institute better safeguards against without losing our humanity and values.

This is closer to the mark than Wedgie's rant. The FBI's defense, as I understand it, was that Mateen had a clean enough rap sheet that they couldn't lock him up. Not sure that holds water given the domestic abuse issues, but the FBI doesn't look good.

However, the FBI can make amends by going after Hildabeast.

[Wedgebuster]

I think there's a lot of layers to this one. I think the self-radicalization might have pushed him over the edge, but it's pretty clear this guy had a ton of mental health issues beforehand. This doesn't seem like a clear-cut case of terrorism in the classical sense, but there's no doubt terrorism played a role here as well.

All in all, it seems like mental health issues, a self-struggle between his homosexuality and Islam, his self-radicalization, the FBI dropping the ball, the lack of him receiving the mental care he needed, and the lack of tougher gun controls all contributed to an extremely unfortunate event.

Again, it looks like a multi-layered crime that as a society, I hope we can learn a lot from and institute better safeguards against without losing our humanity and values.

If our country would treat mental illness properly then think of the lives that would be saved. So much happens because we either are aware or don't help others seek counseling when we know they need it. Adam Lanza wouldn't have murdered all those children if only his mother wasn't a selfish bitch and got him the treatment he needed. Oh, and she should never have given him a weapon.

Winner!

[Ibanez]

I think there's a lot of layers to this one. I think the self-radicalization might have pushed him over the edge, but it's pretty clear this guy had a ton of mental health issues beforehand. This doesn't seem like a clear-cut case of terrorism in the classical sense, but there's no doubt terrorism played a role here as well.

All in all, it seems like mental health issues, a self-struggle between his homosexuality and Islam, his self-radicalization, the FBI dropping the ball, the lack of him receiving the mental care he needed, and the lack of tougher gun controls all contributed to an extremely unfortunate event.

Again, it looks like a multi-layered crime that as a society, I hope we can learn a lot from and institute better safeguards against without losing our humanity and values.

There are also reports that he had previously pledged allegiance to Hezbollah and Al Quaeda who aren't exactly chummy with ISIS.

He was all over the map.

The dude was mentally unstable. And a bad Muslim with all his drinking and gay sex, if he truly was gay.

[clenz]

I think there's a lot of layers to this one. I think the self-radicalization might have pushed him over the edge, but it's pretty clear this guy had a ton of mental health issues beforehand. This doesn't seem like a clear-cut case of terrorism in the classical sense, but there's no doubt terrorism played a role here as well.

All in all, it seems like mental health issues, a self-struggle between his homosexuality and Islam, his self-radicalization, the FBI dropping the ball, the lack of him receiving the mental care he needed, and the lack of tougher gun controls all contributed to an extremely unfortunate event.

Again, it looks like a multi-layered crime that as a society, I hope we can learn a lot from and institute better safeguards against without losing our humanity and values.

If our country would treat mental illness properly then think of the lives that would be saved. So much happens because we either are aware or don't help others seek counseling when we know they need it. Adam Lanza wouldn't have murdered all those children if only his mother wasn't a selfish bitch and got him the treatment he needed. Oh, and she should never have given him a weapon.

Yup.

One thing I've learned from TBH being a counselor, and me going to grad school for it, is how poorly society/medical fields treat mental health issues.

Society wants to shame those with mental illness. Society believes it isn't a "real thing" because you can't see it like a physical condition. It's just being "weak" or "a pussy". People who need help often don't get it for fear someone finds out.

The insurance/medical field basically treats it the same way, and treats it like it's still "quackery". Insurance companies don't cover counseling sessions, or if they do it's only a small portion/reimbursement.

Until our country takes the mental health of it's citizens seriously nothing will change

[Ibanez]

If our country would treat mental illness properly then think of the lives that would be saved. So much happens because we either are aware or don't help others seek counseling when we know they need it. Adam Lanza wouldn't have murdered all those children if only his mother wasn't a selfish bitch and got him the treatment he needed. Oh, and she should never have given him a weapon.

Yup.

One thing I've learned from TBH being a counselor, and me going to grad school for it, is how poorly society/medical fields treat mental health issues.

Society wants to shame those with mental illness. Society believes it isn't a "real thing" because you can't see it like a physical condition. It's just being "weak" or "a pussy". People who need help often don't get it for fear someone finds out.

The insurance/medical field basically treats it the same way, and treats it like it's still "quackery". Insurance companies don't cover counseling sessions, or if they do it's only a small portion/reimbursement.

Until our country takes the mental health of it's citizens seriously nothing will change

The shame is in our mistreatment of those people.

[Ivytalk]

If our country would treat mental illness properly then think of the lives that would be saved. So much happens because we either are aware or don't help others seek counseling when we know they need it. Adam Lanza wouldn't have murdered all those children if only his mother wasn't a selfish bitch and got him the treatment he needed. Oh, and she should never have given him a weapon.

Yup.

One thing I've learned from TBH being a counselor, and me going to grad school for it, is how poorly society/medical fields treat mental health issues.

Society wants to shame those with mental illness. Society believes it isn't a "real thing" because you can't see it like a physical condition. It's just being "weak" or "a pussy". People who need help often don't get it for fear someone finds out.

The insurance/medical field basically treats it the same way, and treats it like it's still "quackery". Insurance companies don't cover counseling sessions, or if they do it's only a small portion/reimbursement.

Until our country takes the mental health of it's citizens seriously nothing will change

This x 6.93. If anything, mental health problems in the US are underdiagnosed and underreported. And I large percentage of the homeless are mentally ill.

[Ibanez]

Yup.

One thing I've learned from TBH being a counselor, and me going to grad school for it, is how poorly society/medical fields treat mental health issues.

Society wants to shame those with mental illness. Society believes it isn't a "real thing" because you can't see it like a physical condition. It's just being "weak" or "a pussy". People who need help often don't get it for fear someone finds out.

The insurance/medical field basically treats it the same way, and treats it like it's still "quackery". Insurance companies don't cover counseling sessions, or if they do it's only a small portion/reimbursement.

Until our country takes the mental health of it's citizens seriously nothing will change

This x 6.93. If anything, mental health problems in the US are underdiagnosed and underreported. And I large percentage of the homeless are mentally ill.

Yep, it's a shame.

Speaking of homeless, i'm always reminded that an "achievement" of Dubya was his work towards fewer homeless people. http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/29/opinion/f ... elessness/

[CAA Flagship]

Yup.

One thing I've learned from TBH being a counselor, and me going to grad school for it, is how poorly society/medical fields treat mental health issues.

Society wants to shame those with mental illness. Society believes it isn't a "real thing" because you can't see it like a physical condition. It's just being "weak" or "a pussy". People who need help often don't get it for fear someone finds out.

The insurance/medical field basically treats it the same way, and treats it like it's still "quackery". Insurance companies don't cover counseling sessions, or if they do it's only a small portion/reimbursement.

Until our country takes the mental health of it's citizens seriously nothing will change

But there are people that are "weak" or a "pussy". It's difficult to differentiate.