Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?

[houndawg]

And beer is just fermented hop/rice water.

And BBQ is just some Kingsford charcoal and lighter fluid in a Hibachi...

Never Kingsford, has coal dust in the briquets..

[Grizalltheway]

And BBQ is just some Kingsford charcoal and lighter fluid in a Hibachi...

Never Kingsford, has coal dust in the briquets..

Royal Oak lump charcoal.

[SDHornet]

No posts on Obamacare Lite not having enough support and thus delaying a vote...at least until enough kickbacks can buy more votes.

Can't wait for this to pass so the conks are the one's left taking the blame for this horrible healthcare debacle. Either repeal or do nothing and let Obamacare collapse under its own weight...it's really that simple.

[BDKJMU]

Yep. I hope this doesn't pass, but I am afraid it will. Obamacare left alone would collapse under its own weight. This Obamacare lite, or Ryan Care, or better yet RINO Care, is like putting lipstick on a pig.
-RINO Care fails to pass, Obamacare stays, eventually collapses, donks get the blame.
-RINO Care passes, its only a moderate at best improvement, enough to keep it from collapsing, but is a giant albatross around conks necks for decades.

I just don't see why they simply can't pass the same bill they passed in late 2015, a repeal without a replacement plan. Its virtually the same conks in Congress, who almost all voted for the bill in late 2015.. If they voted for that bill in late 2015, they would have no excuse/defense to not vote for it now.

[Ibanez]

Yep. I hope this doesn't pass, but I am afraid it will. Obamacare left alone would collapse under its own weight. This Obamacare lite, or Ryan Care, or better yet RINO Care, is like putting lipstick on a pig.
-RINO Care fails to pass, Obamacare stays, eventually collapses, donks get the blame.
-RINO Care passes, its only a moderate at best improvement, enough to keep it from collapsing, but is a giant albatross around conks necks for decades.

I just don't see why they simply can't pass the same bill they passed in late 2015, a repeal without a replacement plan. Its virtually the same conks in Congress, who almost all voted for the bill in late 2015.. If they voted for that bill in late 2015, they would have no excuse/defense to not vote for it now.

Republicans will still get some blame if this bill doesn't pass. After all of their bitching and dozens of attempts to repeal the ACA, they failed.

[CID1990]

This is what happens when you have tantrums about repealing an entitlement without first examining if it is even possible.

It was correct to oppose Obamacare when it was first proposed and written but the second Obama signed it the game was over.

GOP politicians have depth charged themselves over the last 7 years by giving their constituents the impression that a repeal can actually happen. It can't.

It would have been much smarter (although politically risky) to point out that the Democrats passed a very bad law, that they are bad at legislating, and that the ACA is a disaster that needs to be FIXED. Then FIX it (as best as can be done) and then point out that conservatives are more competent. But of course they aren't, so now we have this mess, nothing is going to happen, and we're going to have another government money bonfire on our hands for the foreseeable future


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[GannonFan]

At some point we're just going to have to bite the bullet and institute the single payer health system. That was always the principle behind Obamacare anyway - it was always a transition law to get us there, as Obamacare itself, as others note here, is simply not sustainable long term (and heck, maybe even short term really). There's simply too much of an entitlement culture in this country to block the single payer health system - IMO, it's inevitable, so we might as well get on with it. We'll have the national, single payer system, that will cover everyone. It will be mediocre and costly, but no one will be left behind (see what I did there), and then we'll have the private market, which will offer top of the line medical care, for a price, and we'll spend the next century or two going back and forth on why people with money get the best health care while people with little or no money have to wait for care under the free system. It'll be like the UK but with more whining and without a British accent. But like I said, the wave of entitlement demand in this country in this area of the economy is irresistible - better to accept it now and let it be and to move on to other things.

[AZGrizFan]

No posts on Obamacare Lite not having enough support and thus delaying a vote...at least until enough kickbacks can buy more votes.

Can't wait for this to pass so the conks are the one's left taking the blame for this horrible healthcare debacle. Either repeal or do nothing and let Obamacare collapse under its own weight...it's really that simple.

I wish at this point they'd just remove the mandate and move on to tax reform.

[AZGrizFan]

At some point we're just going to have to bite the bullet and institute the single payer health system. That was always the principle behind Obamacare anyway - it was always a transition law to get us there, as Obamacare itself, as others note here, is simply not sustainable long term (and heck, maybe even short term really). There's simply too much of an entitlement culture in this country to block the single payer health system - IMO, it's inevitable, so we might as well get on with it. We'll have the national, single payer system, that will cover everyone. It will be mediocre and costly, but no one will be left behind (see what I did there), and then we'll have the private market, which will offer top of the line medical care, for a price, and we'll spend the next century or two going back and forth on why people with money get the best health care while people with little or no money have to wait for care under the free system. It'll be like the UK but with more whining and without a British accent. But like I said, the wave of entitlement demand in this country in this area of the economy is irresistible - better to accept it now and let it be and to move on to other things.

POTY nominee.

[kalm]

At some point we're just going to have to bite the bullet and institute the single payer health system. That was always the principle behind Obamacare anyway - it was always a transition law to get us there, as Obamacare itself, as others note here, is simply not sustainable long term (and heck, maybe even short term really). There's simply too much of an entitlement culture in this country to block the single payer health system - IMO, it's inevitable, so we might as well get on with it. We'll have the national, single payer system, that will cover everyone. It will be mediocre and costly, but no one will be left behind (see what I did there), and then we'll have the private market, which will offer top of the line medical care, for a price, and we'll spend the next century or two going back and forth on why people with money get the best health care while people with little or no money have to wait for care under the free system. It'll be like the UK but with more whining and without a British accent. But like I said, the wave of entitlement demand in this country in this area of the economy is irresistible - better to accept it now and let it be and to move on to other things.

I'm tired of all this whining too.

Why can't I extract more wealth from the economy?

I'm entitled to more profits, dammit!

[Ibanez]

No posts on Obamacare Lite not having enough support and thus delaying a vote...at least until enough kickbacks can buy more votes.

Can't wait for this to pass so the conks are the one's left taking the blame for this horrible healthcare debacle. Either repeal or do nothing and let Obamacare collapse under its own weight...it's really that simple.

I wish at this point they'd just remove the mandate and move on to tax reform.

This. End the penalties and let's move on.

[GannonFan]

I wish at this point they'd just remove the mandate and move on to tax reform.

This. End the penalties and let's move on.

Eh, that just hastens the end of Obamacare. It's only propped up now because of the penalties. Take them away and you have to deal with it quicker. But yes, tax reform would be a good place to go - we know what we need to do there so just do it already. We're two months into this thing and we're just idling when we already know what's going to happen.

[Ibanez]

So.do republicans want A la Carte insurance? You go to BCBS, say you want maternity coverage, mental health, preventive care, etc...

[GannonFan]

At some point we're just going to have to bite the bullet and institute the single payer health system. That was always the principle behind Obamacare anyway - it was always a transition law to get us there, as Obamacare itself, as others note here, is simply not sustainable long term (and heck, maybe even short term really). There's simply too much of an entitlement culture in this country to block the single payer health system - IMO, it's inevitable, so we might as well get on with it. We'll have the national, single payer system, that will cover everyone. It will be mediocre and costly, but no one will be left behind (see what I did there), and then we'll have the private market, which will offer top of the line medical care, for a price, and we'll spend the next century or two going back and forth on why people with money get the best health care while people with little or no money have to wait for care under the free system. It'll be like the UK but with more whining and without a British accent. But like I said, the wave of entitlement demand in this country in this area of the economy is irresistible - better to accept it now and let it be and to move on to other things.

I'm tired of all this whining too.

Why can't I extract more wealth from the economy?

I'm entitled to more profits, dammit!

You forgot to mention externalities and a "race to the bottom". You're going to miss your quota of saying those in every other post if you're not careful.

[Ibanez]

This. End the penalties and let's move on.

Eh, that just hastens the end of Obamacare. It's only propped up now because of the penalties. Take them away and you have to deal with it quicker. But yes, tax reform would be a good place to go - we know what we need to do there so just do it already. We're two months into this thing and we're just idling when we already know what's going to happen.

Of course WE know what needs to be done. Our legislators have to have the balls to do something. And only a few will. Have you told your Congressional representatives?

[GannonFan]

Eh, that just hastens the end of Obamacare. It's only propped up now because of the penalties. Take them away and you have to deal with it quicker. But yes, tax reform would be a good place to go - we know what we need to do there so just do it already. We're two months into this thing and we're just idling when we already know what's going to happen.

Of course WE know what needs to be done. Our legislators have to have the balls to do something. And only a few will. Have you told your Congressional representatives?

Bob Casey is too busy trying to fire a neuron or two in that vast void between his ears and Pat Toomey has never turned his phones back on after he turned them off to avoid all the anti-Devos robocalls. Besides, it's Pennsylvania politics, corruption rules the day in this state. It's tradition.

[kalm]

Of course WE know what needs to be done. Our legislators have to have the balls to do something. And only a few will. Have you told your Congressional representatives?

Bob Casey is too busy trying to fire a neuron or two in that vast void between his ears and Pat Toomey has never turned his phones back on after he turned them off to avoid all the anti-Devos robocalls. Besides, it's Pennsylvania politics, corruption rules the day in this state. It's tradition.

They're busy talking to their con$tituents. Because, you know, healthcare is all about the best ideas and what's good for the people...

[GannonFan]

Bob Casey is too busy trying to fire a neuron or two in that vast void between his ears and Pat Toomey has never turned his phones back on after he turned them off to avoid all the anti-Devos robocalls. Besides, it's Pennsylvania politics, corruption rules the day in this state. It's tradition.

They're busy talking to their con$tituents. Because, you know, healthcare is all about the best ideas and what's good for the people...

If you actually think Bob Casey forms more than a couple of sentences a day then you're just being too nice. So would calling him a dolt.

[Ivytalk]

I don't understand why the GOP feels like it has to rush a half-azzed bill to the floor. Take the time to do it right. Read it before you vote on it this time.

[GannonFan]

I don't understand why the GOP feels like it has to rush a half-azzed bill to the floor. Take the time to do it right. Read it before you vote on it this time.

Good point. Especially with the other, easier things they could do now (e.g. tax reform). I still don't think they'll come up with something that will stop the tidal wave of entitlement, but they clearly don't have it together right now to be voting on it anyway.

[BDKJMU]

At some point we're just going to have to bite the bullet and institute the single payer health system. That was always the principle behind Obamacare anyway - it was always a transition law to get us there, as Obamacare itself, as others note here, is simply not sustainable long term (and heck, maybe even short term really). There's simply too much of an entitlement culture in this country to block the single payer health system - IMO, it's inevitable, so we might as well get on with it. We'll have the national, single payer system, that will cover everyone. It will be mediocre and costly, but no one will be left behind (see what I did there), and then we'll have the private market, which will offer top of the line medical care, for a price, and we'll spend the next century or two going back and forth on why people with money get the best health care while people with little or no money have to wait for care under the free system. It'll be like the UK but with more whining and without a British accent. But like I said, the wave of entitlement demand in this country in this area of the economy is irresistible - better to accept it now and let it be and to move on to other things.

Couple weeks ago:
Rationing of NHS services ‘leaving patients in pain and distress’, says new report
Doctors say NHS is at ‘breaking point’ with patients suffering consequences
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 28101.html

[BDKJMU]

This is what happens when you have tantrums about repealing an entitlement without first examining if it is even possible.

It was correct to oppose Obamacare when it was first proposed and written but the second Obama signed it the game was over.

GOP politicians have depth charged themselves over the last 7 years by giving their constituents the impression that a repeal can actually happen. It can't.

It would have been much smarter (although politically risky) to point out that the Democrats passed a very bad law, that they are bad at legislating, and that the ACA is a disaster that needs to be FIXED. Then FIX it (as best as can be done) and then point out that conservatives are more competent. But of course they aren't, so now we have this mess, nothing is going to happen, and we're going to have another government money bonfire on our hands for the foreseeable future


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It was game over when Roberts changed his mind & SCOTUS upheld it 5-4 instead of killing it 5-4...

[Ibanez]

Of course WE know what needs to be done. Our legislators have to have the balls to do something. And only a few will. Have you told your Congressional representatives?

Bob Casey is too busy trying to fire a neuron or two in that vast void between his ears and Pat Toomey has never turned his phones back on after he turned them off to avoid all the anti-Devos robocalls. Besides, it's Pennsylvania politics, corruption rules the day in this state. It's tradition.

Mark Sanford is the only SC Representative that's voting no. If that's changed since yesterday, i haven't heard.

[Ibanez]

Voter opposition to the Republican healthcare bill is the result of misunderstanding, and lawmakers will be able to "really explain it" once it becomes law, Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.) said Thursday.

Collins was responding to a question by MSNBC anchor Brian Williams about whether he was prepared over Congress’s upcoming April recess to hear from constituents who may lose health coverage under the American Health Care Act (AHCA).

"In my district, right now there's a lot of misunderstanding as to what it is we're doing," the Collins said on MSNBC. "And once we get it done, and then we can have the chance to really explain it

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/32 ... explain-it

That sounds familiar.....where have I heard something like that? We have to pass it to understand what's in it...that sounds familiar....can't quite put my finger on it....

[GannonFan]

Voter opposition to the Republican healthcare bill is the result of misunderstanding, and lawmakers will be able to "really explain it" once it becomes law, Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.) said Thursday.

Collins was responding to a question by MSNBC anchor Brian Williams about whether he was prepared over Congress’s upcoming April recess to hear from constituents who may lose health coverage under the American Health Care Act (AHCA).

"In my district, right now there's a lot of misunderstanding as to what it is we're doing," the Collins said on MSNBC. "And once we get it done, and then we can have the chance to really explain it

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/32 ... explain-it

That sounds familiar.....where have I heard something like that? We have to pass it to understand what's in it...that sounds familiar....can't quite put my finger on it....

Stupidity finds its home in both political parties equally.