Coronavirus COVID-19

[Gil Dobie]

Because the vaccine was able to take on Omicron variants rather easily.

They literally said people had to get boosters because the vaccine was not very effective against Omicron at all. And how many people ended up getting boosters? Hey, I'm pro-vaccine and pro-booster, when they let me get the 4th shot I'll do it in a heartbeat. But you're being dishonest here, the powers that be were very clear that the vaccines, without boosters, were not very effective against Omicron, and that people had to get boosted. We didn't have a big percentage of people get their boosters (not even half of the people who originally got the first vaccine) and yet Omicron came and went pretty quickly (just like it did everywhere in the world). Clearly something other than the vaccine was contributing to this. That's not even controversial.

I'm not dishonest, when I speak vaccinated, I say fully vaccinated, 2 shots and a booster. You are picking my truth apart by me not giving you the full doctoral explanation and anything to knit-pick that was left off. I'm at work, I reply fast and may miss stuff. Look at the Washington department of health statistics comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated. Just enough people were fully vaccinated to help reduce the numbers.

[GannonFan]

They literally said people had to get boosters because the vaccine was not very effective against Omicron at all. And how many people ended up getting boosters? Hey, I'm pro-vaccine and pro-booster, when they let me get the 4th shot I'll do it in a heartbeat. But you're being dishonest here, the powers that be were very clear that the vaccines, without boosters, were not very effective against Omicron, and that people had to get boosted. We didn't have a big percentage of people get their boosters (not even half of the people who originally got the first vaccine) and yet Omicron came and went pretty quickly (just like it did everywhere in the world). Clearly something other than the vaccine was contributing to this. That's not even controversial.

I'm not dishonest, when I speak vaccinated, I say fully vaccinated, 2 shots and a booster. You are picking my truth apart by me not giving you the full doctoral explanation and anything to knit-pick that was left off. I'm at work, I reply fast and may miss stuff. Look at the Washington department of health statistics comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated. Just enough people were fully vaccinated to help reduce the numbers.

Well, that's not nit-picking, that's just the reality of when you post incomplete stuff. I'm at work too, if I posted something that wasn't clear I'd own up to it, not double down. Absolutely boosters were effective, I don't think there's any argument about that. Just as there's no argument that the original vaccine shots lasted far less than what was hoped for and why there's really no argument that we'll all be due for a 4th shot somewhere around the end of the summer, if not earlier. It's probably a 3-4 shot per year thing right now, assuming they can keep up with it, and depending on how much research goes into and is talked about when it comes to natural immunity, which is much more widespread now than ever thanks to Omicron. As someone said here, the virus is just going to virus.

[Gil Dobie]

I'm not dishonest, when I speak vaccinated, I say fully vaccinated, 2 shots and a booster. You are picking my truth apart by me not giving you the full doctoral explanation and anything to knit-pick that was left off. I'm at work, I reply fast and may miss stuff. Look at the Washington department of health statistics comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated. Just enough people were fully vaccinated to help reduce the numbers.

Well, that's not nit-picking, that's just the reality of when you post incomplete stuff. I'm at work too, if I posted something that wasn't clear I'd own up to it, not double down. Absolutely boosters were effective, I don't think there's any argument about that. Just as there's no argument that the original vaccine shots lasted far less than what was hoped for and why there's really no argument that we'll all be due for a 4th shot somewhere around the end of the summer, if not earlier. It's probably a 3-4 shot per year thing right now, assuming they can keep up with it, and depending on how much research goes into and is talked about when it comes to natural immunity, which is much more widespread now than ever thanks to Omicron. As someone said here, the virus is just going to virus.

I apologize for the nit-picking comment, my intention was not to be dishonest or make it look like I was being dishonest.

There also have been more and more reported cases of people getting covid for a 2nd time. I posted that graph a recently.

It's been reported that the booster brought the vaccine back up to 90% effective. It's also been reported that the booster may help for and extended period of time.

How soon before they need yet another shot?

Not for many months, and perhaps not for years, according to a flurry of new studies.

Three doses of a Covid vaccine — or even just two — are enough to protect most people from serious illness and death for a long time, the studies suggest.

“We’re starting to see now diminishing returns on the number of additional doses,” said John Wherry, director of the Institute for immunology at the University of Pennsylvania. Although people over 65 or at high risk of illness may benefit from a fourth vaccine dose, it may be unnecessary for most people, he added.

[CID1990]

Hey did anybody else get whiplash from the CDC’s 180 this week?

How bout you, JSO? You need a chiropractor?


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[GannonFan]

It's been reported that the booster brought the vaccine back up to 90% effective. It's also been reported that the booster may help for and extended period of time.

How soon before they need yet another shot?

Not for many months, and perhaps not for years, according to a flurry of new studies.

Three doses of a Covid vaccine — or even just two — are enough to protect most people from serious illness and death for a long time, the studies suggest.

“We’re starting to see now diminishing returns on the number of additional doses,” said John Wherry, director of the Institute for immunology at the University of Pennsylvania. Although people over 65 or at high risk of illness may benefit from a fourth vaccine dose, it may be unnecessary for most people, he added.

Problem is, there are no studies that can assess how the vaccine will do against variants that haven't happened yet. So sure, studies right now can say that, with the known variants out there, we'll have long term protection, but that doesn't mean a thing once a new variant shows up, as the always do (virus going to virus thing). We had really good protection with the vaccine until Omicron showed up and then we needed to get the booster to deal with it because the original shots were no longer good enough.

And further complicating the determination of vaccine effectiveness now is that so many people, especially after Omicron, have natural immunity, and we're finally seeing studies that say that natural immunity is a game changer. And even further, natural immunity with the vaccine is far, far better, than even just the vaccine. Hopefully that all plays out to be true.

[Gil Dobie]

It's been reported that the booster brought the vaccine back up to 90% effective. It's also been reported that the booster may help for and extended period of time.

How soon before they need yet another shot?

Not for many months, and perhaps not for years, according to a flurry of new studies.

Three doses of a Covid vaccine — or even just two — are enough to protect most people from serious illness and death for a long time, the studies suggest.

“We’re starting to see now diminishing returns on the number of additional doses,” said John Wherry, director of the Institute for immunology at the University of Pennsylvania. Although people over 65 or at high risk of illness may benefit from a fourth vaccine dose, it may be unnecessary for most people, he added.

Problem is, there are no studies that can assess how the vaccine will do against variants that haven't happened yet. So sure, studies right now can say that, with the known variants out there, we'll have long term protection, but that doesn't mean a thing once a new variant shows up, as the always do (virus going to virus thing). We had really good protection with the vaccine until Omicron showed up and then we needed to get the booster to deal with it because the original shots were no longer good enough.

And further complicating the determination of vaccine effectiveness now is that so many people, especially after Omicron, have natural immunity, and we're finally seeing studies that say that natural immunity is a game changer. And even further, natural immunity with the vaccine is far, far better, than even just the vaccine. Hopefully that all plays out to be true.

Time will tell if we have a plethora of new variants or not. With reduced numbers, comes a reduced chance of variants. The research I'm seeing, is showing that the further a person that survived covid, gets away from their original infection, the higher the chance is, they can get covid again. It's still a low chance, but it's a chance.



And, yes, the vaccine along with antibodies from a previous infection is the most effective. That is something I posted a video about several months ago, that nobody watched. That in itself suggest that the vaccine is working. Maybe not working in accordance to everyone's expectations, but it's working.

[GannonFan]

Work here (Philly suburbs) just announced the mask mandate is over, entirely mask optional now. Even made the announcement over the intercoms. Since COVID began, we've only been mask optional for about 3 weeks last summer. Hopefully this is the end of it.

[Ibanez]

Work here (Philly suburbs) just announced the mask mandate is over, entirely mask optional now. Even made the announcement over the intercoms. Since COVID began, we've only been mask optional for about 3 weeks last summer. Hopefully this is the end of it.

In the past few weeks in Charlotte, I've noticed a trend toward mask optional. I was at the Spectrum Center last night, where the Charlotte Hornets play, and it was mask optional. I could've sworn a few weeks it was not .

[GannonFan]

Work here (Philly suburbs) just announced the mask mandate is over, entirely mask optional now. Even made the announcement over the intercoms. Since COVID began, we've only been mask optional for about 3 weeks last summer. Hopefully this is the end of it.

In the past few weeks in Charlotte, I've noticed a trend toward mask optional. I was at the Spectrum Center last night, where the Charlotte Hornets play, and it was mask optional. I could've sworn a few weeks it was not .

I know several places just did so in the past 24 hours. I know the Naval Academy just went fully mask optional, and the University of Delaware dropped vaccine mandates and masks all at once for visitors - students in classrooms still need to wear masks (odd leftover) but nowhere else.

[Ibanez]

In the past few weeks in Charlotte, I've noticed a trend toward mask optional. I was at the Spectrum Center last night, where the Charlotte Hornets play, and it was mask optional. I could've sworn a few weeks it was not .

I know several places just did so in the past 24 hours. I know the Naval Academy just went fully mask optional, and the University of Delaware dropped vaccine mandates and masks all at once for visitors - students in classrooms still need to wear masks (odd leftover) but nowhere else.

It's all going away, work just sent an email 10 minutes ago that masks are now optional for vaccinated employees - which is interesting b/c ONLY vaccinated employees are in the office. The un-vaxxed are still at home.

[CID1990]

I guess I’ll be back to work in the building soon since mask mandates were lifted in Federal workplaces

Boy that science really changed quick, didn’t it, JSO?


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[SeattleGriz]

I guess I’ll be back to work in the building soon since mask mandates were lifted in Federal workplaces

Boy that science really changed quick, didn’t it, JSO?


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It's changed so quickly here in WA state. Our end of masking date has been moved up twice in the last week. I'm so thankful for how quickly science moves when you need it to, but more importantly to hide behind when you get it wrong. Just say, "It's science" and it makes everything automatically better.

[Winterborn]

I guess I’ll be back to work in the building soon since mask mandates were lifted in Federal workplaces

Boy that science really changed quick, didn’t it, JSO?


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It's changed so quickly here in WA state. Our end of masking date has been moved up twice in the last week. I'm so thankful for how quickly science moves when you need it to, but more importantly to hide behind when you get it wrong. Just say, "It's science" and it makes everything automatically better.

In election years time moves faster and allows "science" to move ahead in leaps and bounds.

[SeattleGriz]

Premier epidemiological institute's director, Walensky, didn't know the vaccines would wane...on an RNA virus.

Holee shit. Do not send your kids wherever she went to school. Embarrassing.

[Winterborn]

Premier epidemiological institute's director, Walensky, didn't know the vaccines would wane...on an RNA virus.

Holee shit. Do not send your kids wherever she went to school. Embarrassing.

Has that not been known since the 80's?

[AZGrizFan]

I guess I’ll be back to work in the building soon since mask mandates were lifted in Federal workplaces

Boy that science really changed quick, didn’t it, JSO?


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It's changed so quickly here in WA state. Our end of masking date has been moved up twice in the last week. I'm so thankful for how quickly science moves when you need it to, but more importantly to hide behind when you get it wrong. Just say, "It's science" and it makes everything automatically better.

“Following the science” can get you whiplash these days!

Donks should be embarrassed beyond belief. But they’re not….

[SeattleGriz]

Premier epidemiological institute's director, Walensky, didn't know the vaccines would wane...on an RNA virus.

Holee shit. Do not send your kids wherever she went to school. Embarrassing.

Has that not been known since the 80's?

I think it's been known longer than that, but the fact she was so surprised by it, is what has me concerned. Now if she simply would have said that they expected some waning, but got more than they had hoped, I would be fine with that. But to be surprised by waning says bad things.

[Winterborn]

Has that not been known since the 80's?

I think it's been known longer than that, but the fact she was so surprised by it, is what has me concerned. Now if she simply would have said that they expected some waning, but got more than they had hoped, I would be fine with that. But to be surprised by waning says bad things.

Especially from somebody that has her background. Then again she is in a political position for a reason.

From Wikipedia:

In 1991, Walensky received a B.A. in biochemistry and molecular biology from Washington University in St. Louis.[6] In 1995, she received an M.D. degree from Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. From 1995 to 1998, she trained in internal medicine at Johns Hopkins Hospital. Walensky then became a fellow in the Massachusetts General Hospital/Brigham and Women's Hospital Infectious Diseases Fellowship Program. In 2001, she earned an MPH in clinical effectiveness from the Harvard School of Public Health.

[JohnStOnge]

Hey did anybody else get whiplash from the CDC’s 180 this week?

How bout you, JSO? You need a chiropractor?


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I haven't seen anything that surprised me or indicated an unexpected change in direction. What specifically are you talking about? At first I thought you might be talking about the change in mask recommendations but that was last week.

If you are talking about the change in mask recommendations last week, no, I am not surprised by that. If it we go into another surge like the one we just went through or the earlier ones the effect of their new guidelines is going to be going back to recommending wearing masks indoors everywhere.

Also, they are also still clearly recognizing the need for someone with some indication of possibly being infected to wear a mask.

[JohnStOnge]

Below is an image of the graph of daily COVID-19 cases reported in the United States. Why would anybody be surprised at seeing the CDC change some recommendations for day to day behavior about now?

[JohnStOnge]

Because the vaccine was able to take on Omicron variants rather easily.

They literally said people had to get boosters because the vaccine was not very effective against Omicron at all. And how many people ended up getting boosters? Hey, I'm pro-vaccine and pro-booster, when they let me get the 4th shot I'll do it in a heartbeat. But you're being dishonest here, the powers that be were very clear that the vaccines, without boosters, were not very effective against Omicron, and that people had to get boosted. We didn't have a big percentage of people get their boosters (not even half of the people who originally got the first vaccine) and yet Omicron came and went pretty quickly (just like it did everywhere in the world). Clearly something other than the vaccine was contributing to this. That's not even controversial.

Who is they? Mayo Clinic? I just Googled around again to make sure nothing has changed since I last looked into it and it looks to me like it's still the case that it looks like the two dose vaccination regime was fairly effective at first against symptomatic Omicron disease then waned over time. Also it was fairly effective against severe disease and/or death for a fairly extended period.

I do agree that Omicron was going to come and go quickly regardless.

[JohnStOnge]

Problem is, there are no studies that can assess how the vaccine will do against variants that haven't happened yet.

They are working on a "Pan-coronavirus" vaccine:

https://www.biospace.com/article/united ... s-vaccine/

Let's hope they succeed.

[JohnStOnge]

Remember when this was a conspiracy theory?

i went to Medscape to try to look at this. I found what I think is something on it at https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/969293. I clicked on a link in that article for the report the author is using to support her point of view. That took me tot he study at https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.abn8014.

The study does tout natural immunity in the short term. But here is a bottom line from the "Discussion" section:

It has been well established that natural infection alone provides short-lived protection from infection (17), showing the importance of vaccination, regardless of infection history. Because vaccination protects against severe disease and death (19), it is safer for individuals to be vaccinated before rather than after natural infection.

Nobody has ever "ignored" immunity acquired through natural infection. What experts have said is that it is better to get vaccinated. Nothing about the study the author linked contradicts that.

[JohnStOnge]

I guess I’ll be back to work in the building soon since mask mandates were lifted in Federal workplaces

Boy that science really changed quick, didn’t it, JSO?


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Situations change. Science does not. Do you think they should have just maintained the same position forever regardless of the fact that we were having over 900,000 cases per day in January and we had 16,000 cases yesterday?

They have changed their formula some to consider both case counts and hospitalizations. That is fine. We have a variant that has a lower hospitalization rate and the case rates are low relative to that variant right now.

[SDHornet]

JSO still flailing around trying to get anyone to buy into the narratives like he has is pretty comical.