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dbackjon wrote:THE suspect being held over Saturday's shooting of US Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords may have links to anti-Semitic race hate group American Renaissance.

An internal Department of Homeland Security (DHS) memo quoted by FOX News Channel revealed the gunman - named by the media as Jared Loughner, 22 - is "possibly linked" to American Renaissance.

The group subscribes to an ideology that is "anti-government, anti-immigration, anti -ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti-Semitic," according to the DHS memo.

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Giddy?! You think I'm giddy?!?!

I'm **** mad as hell. That's what I am. For months you people labeled me, Congresswoman Giffords, the President of the United States, and just about everyone else who dared to disagree with dearest Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck as "socialists" or "people that hate America" or people that "hate the Constitution and all it stands for". And the Right was warned TIME AND **** TIME AGAIN -- that while your intentions might not be violent, while your language might not be meant to rile up violence, while you may not have *wanted* someone to harm Congresswoman Giffords -- you failed to realize that there are crazy lunatics out there. And those crazy lunatics were more than willing to take your words and run with them.

You think I'm **** giddy?!?!

I can't go into my in-laws home without having my President called the 'n' word. Without being called a socialist myself. Without having to be told that I somehow want them to pay for a black kid to sit on welfare and do drugs. That the Obama Administration is somehow using my **** XBOX 360 Kinect to spy on me. That every Arab in this country, citizen or not, is a terrorist.

The Professional Right has made the people that were once center-right (which I'm willing to admit this country once was) into far right lunatics. And they've made people that were once far right lunatics into outright killing machines.

You think I'm giddy?! No, my friend. Far from giddy. I'm pissed.
Jump to conclusions much? :rofl:

From the limited reports I've been able to read, the people who knew the killer thought he was a leftist. If that is true, your preconceived notion bubble is about to burst. :lol:

I think we'll eventually find out that this guy was just an anti-government radical -- which we can find roots for in both liberalism and conservatism, depending on the issue at hand. But I also think it's clear that if you look at this kid's Youtube writings and videos and also see what associations he had been allegedly been a part of lately, that he had started holding camp with the extreme Right. Looks like all this vitriol coming from the Right about how the past two years were just a liberal agenda trying to destroy the Constitution and all it stood for were exactly what lunatics like this needed to hear.

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I also don't see the logic in how I'm trying to use this to score political points. I'm a fairly unwealthy guy with very little power in my own house -- much less in my district. To think I'm trying to score political points is just absurd. I think elected officials have a responsibility to remain milder and remain cautious in making their assumptions. If the President would have said some of the things I've said the past 24 hours I would have been appalled. It would not have been Presidential. But I'm not the President -- I don't have the same responsibilities as he does.

Furthermore, I'm not trying to score any points or say "Gotcha!" or "Told ya so!". I know it could be perceived that way -- but that's not the case. I'm just mad as hell and venting is the way I'm choosing to deal with it right now. It's almost therapeutic.
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Baldy wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
One girl, who knew him 4 years ago.
"At that time, she said, he was very philosophical and leaned to the ‘left.’ She said, “For the Bush/Kerry election we all wore “1 term president” buttons. That election was HUGE to us.”

He had actually met Gabrielle Giffords in ‘07, and after asking her a question, told Caitie later that Gifford was “stupid and unintelligent.” The question he asked Giffords, Caitie said, “was odd & didn’t make sense, I can’t remember what it was. Just know it was weird.”

at the time she knew him, he was left wing, quite liberal, and “oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.” “He wore shirts & bracelets about it. & liked to discuss 2012 w/ everyone!”

“liberal in wanting to change the way the world was run, we both wanted to. He took it to an extreme I never would’ve.” She said he was a “political radical” long before the teaparty, Glenn Beck, or Sarah Palin came on the scene.

“We listened to political punk in high school & agreed with their leftist opinions for the most part. Anti-Flag was our band.”

Anti-Flag is a punk rock band from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in the United States, formed in 1988, and known for its outspoken political views. Much of the band's lyrics have focused on fervent anti-war activism, criticism of United States foreign policy, corporatism, U.S. wealth distribution, and various sociopolitical sentiments. The line-up includes singer/guitarist Justin Sane and drummer Pat Thetic, who founded the band; later members are guitarist Chris Head, and singer/bassist Chris #2 who replaced Jamie "Cock" Towns, who had replaced original bassist Andy Flag in 1997 following his departure one year prior. Anti-Flag is known also for their advocacy of progressive political action groups such as Greenpeace and Amnesty International. Most recently, the band has focused criticism on the United States bailouts, which were executed to give massive portions of capital directly towards salvaging the national banks.
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All the proof shows that, if anything, this guy was a RADICAL progressive revolutionary.
I hope you people are soooooo fvcking proud. :ohno:
:rofl: A punk rock band. You know they're subversives right there. :coffee:

Anti-war activists who support Greenpeace and Amnesty International! :shock:

And critical of the bailouts! Who are these terrorists? :shock: :shock:

We got some bad ones on our hands here, folks. :roll:
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GSUAlumniEagle wrote:... I'm not trying to score any points or say "Gotcha!" or "Told ya so!". I know it could be perceived that way -- but that's not the case. I'm just mad as hell and venting is the way I'm choosing to deal with it right now. It's almost therapeutic.
Bullsh!t. "Yold ya so" and "gotcha" are exactly what you have done:
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...For months you people labeled me, Congresswoman Giffords, the President of the United States, and just about everyone else who dared to disagree with dearest Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck as "socialists" or "people that hate America" or people that "hate the Constitution and all it stands for". And the Right was warned TIME AND **** TIME AGAIN -- that while your intentions might not be violent, while your language might not be meant to rile up violence, while you may not have *wanted* someone to harm Congresswoman Giffords -- you failed to realize that there are crazy lunatics out there. And those crazy lunatics were more than willing to take your words and run with them.

...The Professional Right has made the people that were once center-right (which I'm willing to admit this country once was) into far right lunatics. And they've made people that were once far right lunatics into outright killing machines...

...Looks like all this vitriol coming from the Right about how the past two years were just a liberal agenda trying to destroy the Constitution and all it stood for were exactly what lunatics like this needed to hear.
Professions of innocence and crocodile tears will not work. Your rantings do not accurately characterize your perceived political opponents. You are nearly as culpable as the nut job perpetrator.
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Yep. You caught me. I've been doing this so that I could look good in front of my constituents whenever I run for Congress. Please. You don't know me. You have no idea what I'm thinking, so don't pretend to know.
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GSUAlumniEagle wrote:Yep. You caught me. I've been doing this so that I could look good in front of my constituents whenever I run for Congress. Please. You don't know me. You have no idea what I'm thinking, so don't pretend to know.
WTF, GSUAlum! No need to pretend or guess. You wrote the words yourself! Are you taking them back now? :roll:

I didn't say anything about constituents or running for office - you did! That's a red herring. You are easily convicted with your own words, regardless of your station in life. :lol: :lol: :lol:

The shoe fits. Wear it like a man. Hell, you made the custom-fit shoes for yourself, right in public in front of everybody! Now you don't like them? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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houndawg wrote: :rofl: A punk rock band. You know they're subversives right there. :coffee:

Anti-war activists who support Greenpeace and Amnesty International! :shock:

And critical of the bailouts! Who are these terrorists? :shock: :shock:

We got some bad ones on our hands here, folks. :roll:
Exactly, just a punk rock band. Then again Rush Limbaugh is just a radio host, but that didn't stop Clinton from blaming talk radio for the Oklahoma City bombing.
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GSUAlumniEagle wrote: I think we'll eventually find out that this guy was just an anti-government radical -- which we can find roots for in both liberalism and conservatism, depending on the issue at hand. But I also think it's clear that if you look at this kid's Youtube writings and videos and also see what associations he had been allegedly been a part of lately, that he had started holding camp with the extreme Right. Looks like all this vitriol coming from the Right about how the past two years were just a liberal agenda trying to destroy the Constitution and all it stood for were exactly what lunatics like this needed to hear.
Sure. That explains him burning the American Flag in one of those youtube videos. All those radical right-wing groups do that. :roll:

What we will probably find out in the end is that this shooting was as politically motivated as Hinckley's assassination attempt on Reagan, but that won't stop the spin-doctors on the left (read the NY Times today) from taking political advantage. To quote Rahm Emanuel, "you never want a serious crisis to go to waste".
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So WTF are you saying......that Palin never had that on her site and that Giffords was imagining things???.......... :roll:
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Baldy wrote:
houndawg wrote: :rofl: A punk rock band. You know they're subversives right there. :coffee:

Anti-war activists who support Greenpeace and Amnesty International! :shock:

And critical of the bailouts! Who are these terrorists? :shock: :shock:

We got some bad ones on our hands here, folks. :roll:
Exactly, just a punk rock band. Then again Rush Limbaugh is just a radio host, but that didn't stop Clinton from blaming talk radio for the Oklahoma City bombing.
Watching Libs get absolutely owned in this thread has been very entertaining. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Gil Dobie wrote:This is a terrible shooting and people that politicize it are near the same level as the shooter for spreading the hate and anger.
You are such a MOFO. :thumb:

I have no desire to kill people due to politics or anything else, but thanks for playing d-bag. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Baldy wrote:
Exactly, just a punk rock band. Then again Rush Limbaugh is just a radio host, but that didn't stop Clinton from blaming talk radio for the Oklahoma City bombing.
Watching Libs get absolutely owned in this thread has been very entertaining. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
And THAT is what it is all about for you and so many other CONKS.......it's a sick, fvcking shame. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:
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mainejeff wrote:
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Watching Libs get absolutely owned in this thread has been very entertaining. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
And THAT is what it is all about for you and so many other CONKS.......it's a sick, fvcking shame. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:
Much like it's more important to blame Conks for this than to just understand it....you lefties play the blame game better than just about any group on the planet.

Go ahead...keep deflecting, MJ. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
mainejeff wrote:
And THAT is what it is all about for you and so many other CONKS.......it's a sick, fvcking shame. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:
Much like it's more important to blame Conks for this than to just understand it....you lefties play the blame game better than just about any group on the planet.

Go ahead...keep deflecting, MJ. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Chemhen wrote:
Thing is, by its very nature (being antigun and a bunch of pussies) the left doesn't lead to as militant a response among its followers. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware of any Republican elected figure (at the federal level) who has had threats made against them (guns fired into offices, broken windows, armed people showing up at rallies, death threats, that kind of thing). I definitely agree with you that the kneejerk reaction both sides have to anything the other does, anything they think they can spin to their benefit, is extremely tiring.

Very OT, but I just had to say, your avatar is fantastic.
Are you fvcking serious? How long have you been living under a rock?

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I could be here for the next decade posting links to tens of thousands of stories just like the ones in the tiny tiny tiny example above, and I haven't hit on the radical left-wing eco-terrorists, the violent grandfathers of modern day progressive revolutionaries (Weather Underground), or the numerous assaults conservative commentators have faced on college campuses.

Jeezus Christ, dude. Get out of that bubble you're living in. :ohno:
Yeah, I can't believe anyone would be dumb enough to claim Republican politicians haven't had threats against them and offices vandalized, windows smashed or shot, etc, etc. You could go on and on with examples, most perpetrated by wacko lefties.
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This has officially become the dumbest fucking thread on this website that doesn't involve the phrase "pee in butt" or "september secrets"

To the boards Donks - using Sarah Palin's "target's" to somehow implicate her is irresponsible. Getting down in the muck and doing your best impression of the Bush-era Rovian bullshit of politicizing shit before the facts are all in and jumping to conclusions is just sad.

To the boards Conks - are you guys listening to yourselves? Are you serious? Man up. The reality is that the escalating rhetoric (that goes back nearly a decade) from the mouthpieces of the American right, harnessing a real anger for political gain - and continually alluding to notions of violent revolution when if they don't get their way is real. I don't need to waste all of our time pointing to shopworn examples.

Does this mean that blood is on the hands of Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and Sean Hannity? No. And frankly, I'm disgusted by efforts to portray this that way. HOWEVER. Conservative media strategists and political strategists need seriously reconsider the imagery they use in their RHETORIC. Because, sadly - some mentally unstable young man may have mistaken political hyperbole for instructions.

It's disgusting to suggest that anyone in conservative movement (outside of the most extreme fringes - who are not a part, nor speak for either party) is happy about what happened yesterday.

It's equally disgusting to suggest that escalating political rhetoric had absolutely nothing to do with setting off this young man.

This isn't unique to American political history - for as "hyper partisan" as things seem now - it's been worse... however - I'm really, really disappointed that the reaction from many conservatives (press releases aside) has been to freak out that people who were shocked and upset lashed out a political movement that has suggested itself toward violence repeatedly over the past two years.

Was it fair or right that while paramedics were still on the scene that people started zeroing in on Palin's "targets"? No. Is it understandable? Yes.

What a lot of conservatives - especially the mainstream ones - need to understand, is that on the left, yesterdays event is something we've seen coming for two years. the anger, fueled and exploited by politicians for votes and money was always something they had tenuous control of at best - and I think many of us on the left sensed that. All it was going to take was one person who was unstable to misinterpret rhetoric...

What mainstream liberals need to understand - and this is very important - and lost in the last 24 hours... is that mainstream conservatives were mortified by what happened yesterday. the reactions today seem, while disappointing... rational. Yesterday alot of balloon juice was expelled suggesting that mainstream Republicans had somehow ordered a hit. If such a thing was suggested of me - I'd strike back with venom too.

My only hope in all of this is that saner, more rational wings of the GOP - and I know they exist - will take this as an opportunity to calm down the rhetoric, especially the kind they use to fire up their base... while the stable among us understand the difference between rhetoric and marching orders - we've seen the tragic outcomes when ramped up rhetoric meets someone who can't tell the difference.
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COBBLESTONE wrote:
"For example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action," Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC.
IMO opinion Palin should be investigated. Hopefully she'll eventually be arrested.
And charged with what? Don't think you'll find a fed prosecutor dumb enough to follow your suggestion. :roll:
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Not even close with the violence against conservatives vs Libs...just Bush alone makes it one sided

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Take a minute to look at this...but I know you won't
Please post the same hatred toward Pres Obama at Tea party gatherings



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Bronco wrote:Take a minute to look at this...but I know you won't
Please post the same hatred toward Pres Obama at Tea party gatherings



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Yep, looking at that goes to show that the wacko right will never be able to match the wacko left in inciting violence.
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BDKJMU wrote:
Bronco wrote:Take a minute to look at this...but I know you won't
Please post the same hatred toward Pres Obama at Tea party gatherings



http://www.binscorner.com/pages/d/death ... sts-i.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yep, looking at that goes to show that the wacko right will never be able to match the wacko left in inciting violence.
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:This has officially become the dumbest fucking thread on this website
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The limits of what is acceptable conduct change with the perception of what is at stake. It's the reason why horrors can be perpetrated in the name of a loving God. What the right has done in this country is to treat the consequences of any disagreement with neoconservatist thinking (defined by you-know-who) as the imminent destruction of America, Americans, and the American way of life. If you don't pass the Patriot Act, al Qaeda will murder you in your beds. If you don't prevent gay marriage your son will start sucking cock on the playground. If you don't oppose the FDA, we'll run out of food.

All they wanted was to impose their own definitions for ideological purity on conservative candidates and vote Democrats out of office. They've done that, but they've also given implicit permission for any nutjob to take matters into his or her own hands. After all, America is at stake. Your freedoms are at stake. Your children's futures are at stake. What would you not do to protect them?

The thing is, it works. It worked for Gingrich and it worked for Rove and its working for the Tea Party. And that means its not going away anytime soon.
And all the left wants to do is hold hands and sing cumbaya while chestnuts and gumdrops come out of our assholes and we pick money from the magic money tree.

Jesus H. Christ....give me a fucking break. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Maybe a little time to reflect on what led up to this tragedy, a little reprieve for the families of the victims and the victims themselves can absorb what has happened and grieve. Maybe a minute to as a nation, regardless of political leanings to shed a tear and say fuck it, this shit ain't so serious it's worth seeing a nine year old lying dead on a sidewalk in Arizona. There should be a 48 hour moratorium on punditry in cases like this. Report the facts, sure. Investigate what happened. But STFU about the political side of things.

Like I said before, if we start out of the gate pointing fingers and calling each other harsh derogatory names then there is very little opportunity to mourn, reflect, and learn from this horrible event. No wonder we can't seem to make any headway. I blame this largely on the 24 hour news cycle, and the culture of "gotta know it now" that it has created. I guess I just would like to see people really torn up about this and sending out messages of caring and peace to the families of the victims instead of rabidly going on the attack against the percieved devils that caused this. Stop for a minute and feel for that mom and dad who just lost their child. Walk for a minute in their shoes and all that other stuff just seems a little ridiculous. But that's just wishful thinking on my part. So go ahead and have at it. You folks don't seem to give a shit about that little girl, just how this justifies your hate for "fill in the blank here with your favorite pundit". :ohno:
Dear lord... please allow this dangerous combination of hair spary, bat slobber, and D.O.T. four automatic transmission fluid to excite my mind, occupy my spirits, and enrage my body, provoking me to kick any man or woman in the back of the head regardless of what he or she has or has not done unto me. All my Best, Earlie Cuyler.
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Re: BREAKING: Rep Gabrielle Giffords; Several Others Shot

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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:This has officially become the dumbest fucking thread on this website that doesn't involve the phrase "pee in butt" or "september secrets"

To the boards Donks - using Sarah Palin's "target's" to somehow implicate her is irresponsible. Getting down in the muck and doing your best impression of the Bush-era Rovian bullshit of politicizing shit before the facts are all in and jumping to conclusions is just sad.

To the boards Conks - are you guys listening to yourselves? Are you serious? Man up. The reality is that the escalating rhetoric (that goes back nearly a decade) from the mouthpieces of the American right, harnessing a real anger for political gain - and continually alluding to notions of violent revolution when if they don't get their way is real. I don't need to waste all of our time pointing to shopworn examples.

Does this mean that blood is on the hands of Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and Sean Hannity? No. And frankly, I'm disgusted by efforts to portray this that way. HOWEVER. Conservative media strategists and political strategists need seriously reconsider the imagery they use in their RHETORIC. Because, sadly - some mentally unstable young man may have mistaken political hyperbole for instructions.

It's disgusting to suggest that anyone in conservative movement (outside of the most extreme fringes - who are not a part, nor speak for either party) is happy about what happened yesterday.

It's equally disgusting to suggest that escalating political rhetoric had absolutely nothing to do with setting off this young man.

This isn't unique to American political history - for as "hyper partisan" as things seem now - it's been worse... however - I'm really, really disappointed that the reaction from many conservatives (press releases aside) has been to freak out that people who were shocked and upset lashed out a political movement that has suggested itself toward violence repeatedly over the past two years.

Was it fair or right that while paramedics were still on the scene that people started zeroing in on Palin's "targets"? No. Is it understandable? Yes.

What a lot of conservatives - especially the mainstream ones - need to understand, is that on the left, yesterdays event is something we've seen coming for two years. the anger, fueled and exploited by politicians for votes and money was always something they had tenuous control of at best - and I think many of us on the left sensed that. All it was going to take was one person who was unstable to misinterpret rhetoric...

What mainstream liberals need to understand - and this is very important - and lost in the last 24 hours... is that mainstream conservatives were mortified by what happened yesterday. the reactions today seem, while disappointing... rational. Yesterday alot of balloon juice was expelled suggesting that mainstream Republicans had somehow ordered a hit. If such a thing was suggested of me - I'd strike back with venom too.

My only hope in all of this is that saner, more rational wings of the GOP - and I know they exist - will take this as an opportunity to calm down the rhetoric, especially the kind they use to fire up their base... while the stable among us understand the difference between rhetoric and marching orders - we've seen the tragic outcomes when ramped up rhetoric meets someone who can't tell the difference.
This may be the only post in this entire fucking thread worth reading.

Both sides of this issues are fucking disgraceful. Every single one of you is full of the same fucking hate that led to this shooting - regardless of political side. Everyone here should be fucking embarrassed.
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Re: BREAKING: Rep Gabrielle Giffords; Several Others Shot

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TwinTownBisonFan wrote: To the boards Conks - are you guys listening to yourselves? Are you serious? Man up. The reality is that the escalating rhetoric (that goes back nearly a decade) from the mouthpieces of the American right, harnessing a real anger for political gain - and continually alluding to notions of violent revolution when if they don't get their way is real. I don't need to waste all of our time pointing to shopworn examples.
Interesting, but what about the "escalating rhetoric" from the mouthpieces of the American political left? Do I need to remind you of the nasty, hateful, violent, and disgusting statements coming from the left while Bush was the president? Since you said nothing about the "escalating rhetoric" coming from the left, do you honestly believe that bombastic speech is a monopoly only enjoyed by the right?
It's equally disgusting to suggest that escalating political rhetoric had absolutely nothing to do with setting off this young man.

This isn't unique to American political history - for as "hyper partisan" as things seem now - it's been worse... however - I'm really, really disappointed that the reaction from many conservatives (press releases aside) has been to freak out that people who were shocked and upset lashed out a political movement that has suggested itself toward violence repeatedly over the past two years.

What a lot of conservatives - especially the mainstream ones - need to understand, is that on the left, yesterdays event is something we've seen coming for two years. the anger, fueled and exploited by politicians for votes and money was always something they had tenuous control of at best - and I think many of us on the left sensed that. All it was going to take was one person who was unstable to misinterpret rhetoric...
For someone claiming to be a student of this country's political history, you don't seem to know very much.
What happened yesterday isn't something that has been brewing for the last two years, it is something that has been brewing for decades. Do you know anything about the 1960's? Are you aware that violent politically motivated left-wing extremists blew up the US Capitol, the Pentagon, police stations from San Fransisco to Boston, exploded bombs in the homes of Federal judges, and were responsible for countless other bombings all over the country? If these violent acts were committed by mere radical right-wing extremists, they would have been executed or still be locked in prison, but since these acts were perpetuated by radical leftists, they get to become tenured professors teaching our children at distinguished universities.

I said it in another post and I'll say it again. I think this guy is nothing more than a David Berkowitz or John Hinckley Jr. Berkowitz became the "Son of Sam" because his neighbor's dog told him to kill people, and Hinkley tried to assassinate Reagan because he wanted to impress Jodie Foster. Who knows what this guy's motivations were, but I very seriously doubt it was "right-wing" political hate speech especially, since by all accounts, the guy was a radical leftist. :roll:
My only hope in all of this is that saner, more rational wings of the GOP - and I know they exist - will take this as an opportunity to calm down the rhetoric, especially the kind they use to fire up their base... while the stable among us understand the difference between rhetoric and marching orders - we've seen the tragic outcomes when ramped up rhetoric meets someone who can't tell the difference.
Again, why are you only calling out the GOP. If there is any political fallout whatsoever, this one is going to fall squarely in "your" (collectively speaking) lap. :nod:
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