I'm with Carson

[Skjellyfetti]

It's interesting that JSO never fails to bring up Affirmative Action whenever someone mentions Obama's pre-political accomplishments. He only got into Harvard Law School because he is black, he was only editor of the Harvard Law Review because he is black, he was only a lecturer at University of Chicago for 12 years because he is black. And, I'm pretty sure JSO has argued Obama only won the presidency because he is black.

What do you think of Affirmative Action and Ben Carson, JSO? Do you think he would have been admitted to Yale and to medical school if he weren't a minority?

[93henfan]

Da fuck?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/politics/ ... index.html

[JoltinJoe]

It's interesting that JSO never fails to bring up Affirmative Action whenever someone mentions Obama's pre-political accomplishments. He only got into Harvard Law School because he is black, he was only editor of the Harvard Law Review because he is black, he was only a lecturer at University of Chicago for 12 years because he is black. And, I'm pretty sure JSO has argued Obama only won the presidency because he is black.

What do you think of Affirmative Action and Ben Carson, JSO? Do you think he would have been admitted to Yale and to medical school if he weren't a minority?

Carson's also a world-renowned neurosurgeon and pediatric surgeon who pioneered brilliant surgical procedures. He was the Director of Pediatric Surgery at Johns Hopkins and a professor of neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine.

He was world famous for his advancements in pediatric surgery long before he became involved in politics.

He may be the most accomplished person to ever run for the presidency.

[Ibanez]

It's interesting that JSO never fails to bring up Affirmative Action whenever someone mentions Obama's pre-political accomplishments. He only got into Harvard Law School because he is black, he was only editor of the Harvard Law Review because he is black, he was only a lecturer at University of Chicago for 12 years because he is black. And, I'm pretty sure JSO has argued Obama only won the presidency because he is black.

What do you think of Affirmative Action and Ben Carson, JSO? Do you think he would have been admitted to Yale and to medical school if he weren't a minority?

Carson's also a world-renowned neurosurgeon and pediatric surgeon who pioneered brilliant surgical procedures. He was the Director of Pediatric Surgery at Johns Hopkins and a professor of neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine.

He was world famous for his advancements in pediatric surgery long before he became involved in politics.

He may be the most accomplished person to ever run for the presidency.

If it weren't for Affirmative Action, right ?

[JoltinJoe]

I am in awe of the abilities of most accomplished surgeons- but coming from a family that has a few in the medical and dental profession it has not been my impression that the intelligence required for it is not necessarily the same as what would be required if a successful trial lawyer or a physicist. Doctors have usually struck me as possessing an intellect more in line with engineers and even artists. Not better or worse, just different.

There's a difference between being a surgeon and being a pioneering surgeon. Carson pioneered many surgical procedures, and wrote about them extensively. Surgical procedures he conceived have now become common place.

He's brilliant. Whether he's an astute politician or sociologist is another issue.

But I doubt we've ever had anyone more brilliant run for the presidency.

[bandl]

But I doubt we've ever had anyone more brilliant run for the presidency.

He may be the most accomplished person to ever run for the presidency.

[GannonFan]

I am in awe of the abilities of most accomplished surgeons- but coming from a family that has a few in the medical and dental profession it has not been my impression that the intelligence required for it is not necessarily the same as what would be required if a successful trial lawyer or a physicist. Doctors have usually struck me as possessing an intellect more in line with engineers and even artists. Not better or worse, just different.

There's a difference between being a surgeon and being a pioneering surgeon. Carson pioneered many surgical procedures, and wrote about them extensively. Surgical procedures he conceived have now become common place.

He's brilliant. Whether he's an astute politician or sociologist is another issue.

But I doubt we've ever had anyone more brilliant run for the presidency.

John Quincy Adams was supposedly one of the more intelligent people we've had as President. Ended up just being average - he wasn't great, but wasn't terrible either. Just saying.

[CAA Flagship]

I am in awe of the abilities of most accomplished surgeons- but coming from a family that has a few in the medical and dental profession it has not been my impression that the intelligence required for it is not necessarily the same as what would be required if a successful trial lawyer or a physicist. Doctors have usually struck me as possessing an intellect more in line with engineers and even artists. Not better or worse, just different.

Not sure how you are lumping engineers and artists together.
Engineers are problem solvers. There is a certain amount of creativity that is required, but the design must work.
There is very little problem solving that artists do. And their decisions are rarely critical.

[CAA Flagship]

But I doubt we've ever had anyone more brilliant run for the presidency.

He may be the most accomplished person to ever run for the presidency.

Bait? That is just a hook. How do you fish?

[JoltinJoe]

There's a difference between being a surgeon and being a pioneering surgeon. Carson pioneered many surgical procedures, and wrote about them extensively. Surgical procedures he conceived have now become common place.

He's brilliant. Whether he's an astute politician or sociologist is another issue.

But I doubt we've ever had anyone more brilliant run for the presidency.

John Quincy Adams was supposedly one of the more intelligent people we've had as President. Ended up just being average - he wasn't great, but wasn't terrible either. Just saying.

The study of medicine is very intensive and so focused that doctors, even the most brilliant ones, can turn out to be limited in their dimensions and outlooks.

One of my college roommates is now a very accomplished surgeon and professor of medicine. He pulled some remarkable grades in his pre-med curriculum, but we had an honors English class together and he was probably the poorest writer in the class. It wasn't that his structure is bad, but he lacked fluency in expressive English, a direct consequence of his narrow training.

Once we had to write a paper discussing the narrative development of the speaker in a poem called, "Caliban Upon Setebos" by Browning.

He started his paper: "The purpose of this paper is to establish that Caliban, the narrator of the poem "Caliban Upon Setebos," is both anthrophobic and anthropomorphic. It is not uncommon to observe both psychological conditions in an individual, and there is an increasing understanding that such conditions are biologically based."

[Ibanez]

There's a difference between being a surgeon and being a pioneering surgeon. Carson pioneered many surgical procedures, and wrote about them extensively. Surgical procedures he conceived have now become common place.

He's brilliant. Whether he's an astute politician or sociologist is another issue.

But I doubt we've ever had anyone more brilliant run for the presidency.

John Quincy Adams was supposedly one of the more intelligent people we've had as President. Ended up just being average - he wasn't great, but wasn't terrible either. Just saying.

I guarantee you that if Chuck Norris were to run, everyone would suddenly drop out of the race, illegal immigrants would make a bee line for the nearest international border, Russia would fold, China would pay off our debt, healthcare would actually become affordable and manageable and Tim Tebow would make it to a 52-man roster.


Truth.

[Ibanez]

I am in awe of the abilities of most accomplished surgeons- but coming from a family that has a few in the medical and dental profession it has not been my impression that the intelligence required for it is not necessarily the same as what would be required if a successful trial lawyer or a physicist. Doctors have usually struck me as possessing an intellect more in line with engineers and even artists. Not better or worse, just different.

Not sure how you are lumping engineers and artists together.
Engineers are problem solvers. There is a certain amount of creativity that is required, but the design must work.
There is very little problem solving that artists do. And their decisions are rarely critical.

You guys lack people skills.

[bandl]

Bait? That is just a hook. How do you fish?

Not well, obviously

[Chizzang]

Sounds like Joe has signed up to hold Carson's hand when he tries to cross the street...



Oh and God wrote the Bible so thank goodness we have that...

[CID1990]

I am in awe of the abilities of most accomplished surgeons- but coming from a family that has a few in the medical and dental profession it has not been my impression that the intelligence required for it is not necessarily the same as what would be required if a successful trial lawyer or a physicist. Doctors have usually struck me as possessing an intellect more in line with engineers and even artists. Not better or worse, just different.

Not sure how you are lumping engineers and artists together.

watch me, flaggy:

[SeattleGriz]

It's interesting that JSO never fails to bring up Affirmative Action whenever someone mentions Obama's pre-political accomplishments. He only got into Harvard Law School because he is black, he was only editor of the Harvard Law Review because he is black, he was only a lecturer at University of Chicago for 12 years because he is black. And, I'm pretty sure JSO has argued Obama only won the presidency because he is black.

What do you think of Affirmative Action and Ben Carson, JSO? Do you think he would have been admitted to Yale and to medical school if he weren't a minority?

Didn't Obama admit he was a poor student at Occidental in one of his books? So how do you then get into an Ivy League school if you admittedly have bad grades?

[SeattleGriz]

I am simply shocked at how it is free game on a conservative black man running for President.

We certainly didn't see this vitriol, in the mainstream news at least, in regards to the liberal black man who is now President.

But I will say on this board it is "game on" in regards to everyone. Makes for good theater on this board.

[kalm]

John Quincy Adams was supposedly one of the more intelligent people we've had as President. Ended up just being average - he wasn't great, but wasn't terrible either. Just saying.

The study of medicine is very intensive and so focused that doctors, even the most brilliant ones, can turn out to be limited in their dimensions and outlooks.

One of my college roommates is now a very accomplished surgeon and professor of medicine. He pulled some remarkable grades in his pre-med curriculum, but we had an honors English class together and he was probably the poorest writer in the class. It wasn't that his structure is bad, but he lacked fluency in expressive English, a direct consequence of his narrow training.

Once we had to write a paper discussing the narrative development of the speaker in a poem called, "Caliban Upon Setebos" by Browning.

He started his paper: "The purpose of this paper is to establish that Caliban, the narrator of the poem "Caliban Upon Setebos," is both anthrophobic and anthropomorphic. It is not uncommon to observe both psychological conditions in an individual, and there is an increasing understanding that such conditions are biologically based."

So great doctor...moronic otherwise?

[kalm]

I am simply shocked at how it is free game on a conservative black man running for President.

We certainly didn't see this vitriol, in the mainstream news at least, in regards to the liberal black man who is now President.

But I will say on this board it is "game on" in regards to everyone. Makes for good theater on this board.

What does black have to do with anything?

[SeattleGriz]

I am simply shocked at how it is free game on a conservative black man running for President.

We certainly didn't see this vitriol, in the mainstream news at least, in regards to the liberal black man who is now President.

But I will say on this board it is "game on" in regards to everyone. Makes for good theater on this board.

What does black have to do with anything?

You tell me. The first person didn't get attacked like this, so why should the second.

[CAA Flagship]

Not sure how you are lumping engineers and artists together.

watch me, flaggy:

Oh. I see the problem here. You are confusing Engineers with Architects. Architects come up with the hair-brained looks. The Engineers design the guts to support the shit.

[CAA Flagship]

What does black have to do with anything?

It's practically half of a roulette wheel.

[JohnStOnge]

It's interesting that JSO never fails to bring up Affirmative Action whenever someone mentions Obama's pre-political accomplishments. He only got into Harvard Law School because he is black, he was only editor of the Harvard Law Review because he is black, he was only a lecturer at University of Chicago for 12 years because he is black. And, I'm pretty sure JSO has argued Obama only won the presidency because he is black.

What do you think of Affirmative Action and Ben Carson, JSO? Do you think he would have been admitted to Yale and to medical school if he weren't a minority?

That is a factor. No doubt. It's quite possible that he would not have been admitted to Yale as an undergrad or to University of Michigan Medical School had he not been Black.

But when I talk about affirmative action in cases like that what I"m referring to is the fact that you can't judge how sharp someone is just BECAUSE of the fact that they were admitted to and graduated from those schools. So, for example, I don't think you can conclude Obama is all that because he was admitted to and graduated from Ivy League schools. And, I'm sorry, but I am not all that impressed by someone being the editor of the Harvard Law Review when they were a student at Harvard Law. That is not something I view as something someone has to be REALLY smart to do.

I'm concluding it's likely that Carson is very intelligent because of what he DID as a neurosurgeon. Again: Obama has never DONE anything that confirms that he's "brightest person in the room" intelligent. Yes, I think that even with affirmative action he is probably in the top 10% of the intelligence distribution based on him getting into Ivy league schools. But it's not the same as if a White person who has no legacy connections or anything gets in. A white person with no legacy connections is going to have to be in a fraction of the top 1% to get in. Bill Clinton for example. You can pretty much bet Bill Clinton is in a fraction of the top 1% of the intelligence distribution based on his background as a White "nobody" kid growing up who became an Oxford scholar and was admitted to Yale Law School.

Obama being Black means he didn't have to be what somebody like Clinton had to be to get in. Same is true of Carson. But since Obama has been out of school he has not done anything that anyone can point to and say that it takes a really bright person to do that. Carson obviously has.

Do I think there's a chance that if I bet Carson has a higher IQ than Obama I could lose? Sure. But that's what I would bet based on the available information.

[UNI88]

watch me, flaggy:

Oh. I see the problem here. You are confusing Engineers with Architects. Architects come up with the hair-brained looks. The Engineers design the guts to support the ****.

There is a whole lot of truth to that but what about Daniel Burnham? Brilliant planner, architect, engineer and project manager.

[JoltinJoe]

The study of medicine is very intensive and so focused that doctors, even the most brilliant ones, can turn out to be limited in their dimensions and outlooks.

One of my college roommates is now a very accomplished surgeon and professor of medicine. He pulled some remarkable grades in his pre-med curriculum, but we had an honors English class together and he was probably the poorest writer in the class. It wasn't that his structure is bad, but he lacked fluency in expressive English, a direct consequence of his narrow training.

Once we had to write a paper discussing the narrative development of the speaker in a poem called, "Caliban Upon Setebos" by Browning.

He started his paper: "The purpose of this paper is to establish that Caliban, the narrator of the poem "Caliban Upon Setebos," is both anthrophobic and anthropomorphic. It is not uncommon to observe both psychological conditions in an individual, and there is an increasing understanding that such conditions are biologically based."

So great doctor...moronic otherwise?

I wouldn't say moronic. He's just speaking about a lot of matters he never previously had reason to think a lot about, and he's being told by advisers to speak in a way that appeals to a demographic. He often uses hyperbole to address that demographic (i.e., Hitler would have had less success if people had guns), because exaggeration is a tool to express frustration, and the voters to which he appeals feel frustrated and marginalized.

Being a brilliant neurosurgeon isn't really the best experience for running for president.

He will eventually fade because he doesn't really have the political depth to be president.