So, the abortion issue is now back in the limelight...

[houndawg]

At what? You said it.

It is a medical procedure that would done when there is no other option, is never chosen since A) there are other options, and B) illegal. It is a boogeyman scare phrase thrown out by the ignorant (either willful or not) to try to demonize women who have to make the tough choice to terminate a WANTED pregnancy that has gone awry.

Fact is vast majority of abortions take place in the first 12 weeks. Less than one percent take place after 20 weeks.

But those facts don't fit your extremist forced-birth agenda.

I hope they double down on their demonization because women are really about to come to a boil.

[Ibanez]

I don't think there is any genuine doubt that a human life is present at conception. If you asked 100 bioethicists when a human life starts, either 99 or 100 would answer at conception. This is an accepted scientific fact.

This presents two issues: (i) what legal rights does a human life possess at the moment of conception?; and (ii) what are our moral obligations to a human life? Because there is no public consensus as to the second issue, we cannot reach a public consensus on the first.

I am pro-life, but I don't think it makes sense to say "abortion is murder." "Murder" is an intentional taking of a human life. People involved in an abortion do not intend to take a human life. They do not see the life at issue as a human life entitled to the protection of law. If they did, they would not undertake the abortion act. Even when abortion was outlawed across the US, and deemed a felony, there was not a single jurisdiction in the US that treated abortion as "murder." To say "abortion is murder," I think, does more harm to the pro-life cause than advances the cause.

Abortion, however, does present very grave moral consequences. I think the pro-life movement can change more hearts, and prevent more abortions, by emphasizing the sanctity of life and the grave moral consequences of abortion. I think the anti-abortion fight, to be successful, has to be waged on a heart-by-heart and case-by-case basis. We will never outlaw abortion throughout the US, though.

Isn't part of the argument that we don't know when human life begins? Does it begin at conception? When the heart beats? At birth when we take our first breath?

I'm not arguing - I just don't know the argument from a "bio-ethics" side.

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[CAA Flagship]

I don't think there is any genuine doubt that a human life is present at conception. If you asked 100 bioethicists when a human life starts, either 99 or 100 would answer at conception. This is an accepted scientific fact.

Is this anything like "life" found on other planets?

[kalm]

I don't think there is any genuine doubt that a human life is present at conception. If you asked 100 bioethicists when a human life starts, either 99 or 100 would answer at conception. This is an accepted scientific fact.

This presents two issues: (i) what legal rights does a human life possess at the moment of conception?; and (ii) what are our moral obligations to a human life? Because there is no public consensus as to the second issue, we cannot reach a public consensus on the first.

I am pro-life, but I don't think it makes sense to say "abortion is murder." "Murder" is an intentional taking of a human life. People involved in an abortion do not intend to take a human life. They do not see the life at issue as a human life entitled to the protection of law. If they did, they would not undertake the abortion act. Even when abortion was outlawed across the US, and deemed a felony, there was not a single jurisdiction in the US that treated abortion as "murder." To say "abortion is murder," I think, does more harm to the pro-life cause than advances the cause.

Abortion, however, does present very grave moral consequences. I think the pro-life movement can change more hearts, and prevent more abortions, by emphasizing the sanctity of life and the grave moral consequences of abortion. I think the anti-abortion fight, to be successful, has to be waged on a heart-by-heart and case-by-case basis. We will never outlaw abortion throughout the US, though.

Isn't part of the argument that we don't know when human life begins? Does it begin at conception? When the heart beats? At birth when we take our first breath?

I'm not arguing - I just don't know the argument from a "bio-ethics" side.

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Me neither. That’s why I asked. It’s obviously a soft science and depends on which set of morals we’re using.

[89Hen]

Could be worse. She could be dead.

Well I'm going to ruin this young woman's life, but hey, at least she's not dead...

...the hell is wrong with some of you people? Sympathy lacking much?

And like I said, I'd love to hear from the ladies close to you.

Trip, this is one of the worst arguments you've ever made here.

[89Hen]

It is a boogeyman scare phrase thrown out by the ignorant (either willful or not) to try to demonize women who have to make the tough choice to terminate a WANTED pregnancy that has gone awry.

Fact is vast majority of abortions take place in the first 12 weeks. Less than one percent take place after 20 weeks.

But those facts don't fit your extremist forced-birth agenda.

SO rich a pro-choicer saying stuff like this. How many times does this discussion go the way of "What about incest?", "What about rape?".

The ONLY reason late term came up was that by your own admission, the baby doesn't have the right to life until it is born. YOU said that, not me.

[89Hen]

Also:

According to U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data from 2012, 65.8 percent of abortions took place within the first eight weeks of pregnancy, and 91.4 percent occurred within the first 13 weeks. Just 7.2 percent of abortions were performed between 14 and 20 weeks gestation, which means just 1.3 percent of abortions took place at or after 21 weeks pregnancy. And, from 2003 through 2012, the CDC saw a significant shift toward earlier abortions, with the percentage occuring within the first six weeks up 24 percent during the study period. The percentage of abortions occurring at or after 13 weeks, meanwhile, remained relatively consistently throughout the study period and never rose above 9 percent.

Heartbeat at 22 days.

[93henfan]

When one cell becomes two?


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Mitosis.....

I use Listerine to prevent that.

Edit: shit, UNI88 beat me to it

[Skjellyfetti]

Do laws regarding the disposal of human remains apply to miscarriages?

[CAA Flagship]

Do laws regarding the disposal of human remains apply to miscarriages?

If so, someone should dispatch a biohazard truck to Chappaqua, NY to pick up Hillary.

[89Hen]

Also:

According to U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data from 2012, 65.8 percent of abortions took place within the first eight weeks of pregnancy, and 91.4 percent occurred within the first 13 weeks.

10 weeks...

[93henfan]

Do laws regarding the disposal of human remains apply to miscarriages?

Not at Ricky Santorum’s house!

[Ivytalk]

Do laws regarding the disposal of human remains apply to miscarriages?

Ask your BFF Mueller. He knows all about miscarriages.

[AZGrizFan]

Well I'm going to ruin this young woman's life, but hey, at least she's not dead...

...the hell is wrong with some of you people? Sympathy lacking much?

And like I said, I'd love to hear from the ladies close to you.

Trip, this is one of the worst arguments you've ever made here.

And THAT is saying a fuck ton.

[AZGrizFan]

When does the life of a child begin for a liberal?

When they reach the border.

[∞∞∞]

Well I'm going to ruin this young woman's life, but hey, at least she's not dead...

...the hell is wrong with some of you people? Sympathy lacking much?

And like I said, I'd love to hear from the ladies close to you.

Trip, this is one of the worst arguments you've ever made here.

So you want to ruin a woman's life for having an abortion? You want to ruin her medically and then legally, and then potentially take away all her freedoms.

Because of religion.

[Silenoz]

Also:

According to U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data from 2012, 65.8 percent of abortions took place within the first eight weeks of pregnancy, and 91.4 percent occurred within the first 13 weeks.

10 weeks...

When in doubt, rape and incest. Or maybe racism.

[Silenoz]

So you want to ruin a woman's life for having an abortion? You want to ruin her medically and then legally, and then potentially take away all her freedoms.

Because of religion.

Nope. Fuck religion. Keep trying tripp! Those rationalization goalposts can be moved forever!

[89Hen]

Trip, this is one of the worst arguments you've ever made here.

So you want to ruin a woman's life for having an abortion? You want to ruin her medically and then legally, and then potentially take away all her freedoms.

Because of religion.

What does religion have to do with this?

I don't want to ruin anyone's life, but actions have consequences and there is no greater freedom than life, which is something you want to be able to take away.

[89Hen]

When in doubt, rape and incest.

It's only a matter of time.

[∞∞∞]

So you want to ruin a woman's life for having an abortion? You want to ruin her medically and then legally, and then potentially take away all her freedoms.

Because of religion.

What does religion have to do with this?

I don't want to ruin anyone's life, but actions have consequences and there is no greater freedom than life, which is something you want to be able to take away.

What does religion have to do with this?

Classic.

[89Hen]

What does religion have to do with this?

I don't want to ruin anyone's life, but actions have consequences and there is no greater freedom than life, which is something you want to be able to take away.

What does religion have to do with this?

Classic.

Tripp, what does religion have to do with our discussion on this board?

[∞∞∞]

What does religion have to do with this?

Classic.

Tripp, what does religion have to do with our discussion on this board?

Look back through this thread and tell me religion doesn't play an oversized role in the abortion debate.

Now look at which organizations lead the charge against Roe v. Wade and bear the flag of the pro-life movement and tell me religion doesn't play an oversized role in the abortion debate.

Just because religious organizations want to say that it's not a religious debate, it doesn't make it true.

Leave the population alone that doesn't give a shit about what religious people think.

[Pwns]

Tripp, what does religion have to do with our discussion on this board?

Look back through this thread and tell me religion doesn't play an oversized role in the abortion debate.

Show me where anyone who even leans to the pro-life side has mentioned God. You won't even find that in any of the other abortion threads.

[CAA Flagship]

Leave the population alone that doesn't give a shit about what religious people think.

I would think you should care about what everyone thinks, regardless of race, creed, zip code, etc. (VCU students and alumni excepted)