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Well, they’re also from two INDIVIDUALS (you remember what those are, right?) who never supported that policy, and are pleased to see it change.
I'd be willing to step aside if I thought someone was remotely ready but your post shows a naivety that tells me you're probably not. Can I step aside for Ibanez?
Maybe you should stop dodging the question with your fallacious logic and tell us what kind of diplomacy you would use to get China to stop being a bad actor?∞∞∞ wrote:The last two posts are funny from generations that voted to borrow from the future and continually sold out America to the Chinese.
Congrats on your legacy. Maybe you should step aside.
Pay who off, Biden and establishment dems/conks? Agreed.houndawg wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:53 amThats my point - it won't get hot with China when all they have to do is pay him off. If they agree to match his revenue from golfing he could, at last, become an actual billionaireSDHornet wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:15 am
I disagree. If anything ever went hot with China, Trump would be one of the few politicians willing to do whatever is necessary to win. Just look how he bitch slapped Iran and the ruskies in Syria.
That said, I hope we never have to go to war with China but it it likely inevitable in our future.
Leftists never provide specifics, because they don't have any. Kinda like the "everything is racists" garbage they spew. It's a general cover to give themselves an out without actually providing solutions to problems.CID1990 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:30 pmMaybe you should stop dodging the question with your fallacious logic and tell us what kind of diplomacy you would use to get China to stop being a bad actor?∞∞∞ wrote:The last two posts are funny from generations that voted to borrow from the future and continually sold out America to the Chinese.
Congrats on your legacy. Maybe you should step aside.
Because if I recall correctly, people who think like you were hypercritical of the belligerent/isolation approach we used with the Soviets. What happened with US foreign policy was your ideological forebears getting exactly what they wanted- just be nice to China and they’ll come along and reform themselves. So we’ve tried both now, and whaddaya know? The ideological left likes neither! (But still throws out the “diplomacy” canard like they know what that means)
So I’ll ask again before I accuse you of what you are actually up to - what kind of diplomacy?
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Diplomacy is literally a give and take.SDHornet wrote:Leftists never provide specifics, because they don't have any. Kinda like the "everything is racists" garbage they spew. It's a general cover to give themselves an out without actually providing solutions to problems.CID1990 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:30 pm Maybe you should stop dodging the question with your fallacious logic and tell us what kind of diplomacy you would use to get China to stop being a bad actor?
Because if I recall correctly, people who think like you were hypercritical of the belligerent/isolation approach we used with the Soviets. What happened with US foreign policy was your ideological forebears getting exactly what they wanted- just be nice to China and they’ll come along and reform themselves. So we’ve tried both now, and whaddaya know? The ideological left likes neither! (But still throws out the “diplomacy” canard like they know what that means)
So I’ll ask again before I accuse you of what you are actually up to - what kind of diplomacy?
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True but on the other side ...SDHornet wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:46 pmLeftists never provide specifics, because they don't have any. Kinda like the "everything is racists" garbage they spew. It's a general cover to give themselves an out without actually providing solutions to problems.CID1990 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:30 pm
Maybe you should stop dodging the question with your fallacious logic and tell us what kind of diplomacy you would use to get China to stop being a bad actor?
Because if I recall correctly, people who think like you were hypercritical of the belligerent/isolation approach we used with the Soviets. What happened with US foreign policy was your ideological forebears getting exactly what they wanted- just be nice to China and they’ll come along and reform themselves. So we’ve tried both now, and whaddaya know? The ideological left likes neither! (But still throws out the “diplomacy” canard like they know what that means)
So I’ll ask again before I accuse you of what you are actually up to - what kind of diplomacy?
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I have specifics but I’m not a masochist like JSO.UNI88 wrote:True but on the other side ...
Rightists never provide specifics, because they don't have any. Kinda like the "we're patriotic" BS they spew. It's a general cover to give themselves an out without actually providing solutions to problems.
Bullshit. Trump has solved all kinds of ‘problems’ that have been plaguing the country for years, and which no normal politician had the balls to touch:
How'd he do with replacing Obamacare? Trump has done well at some things but he's as full of shit and/or looking to line his own and his friends pockets as the rest of them.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:08 pmBullshit. Trump has solved all kinds of ‘problems’ that have been plaguing the country for years, and which no normal politician had the balls to touch:
Prison sentencing reform
Drug pricing reform
Banking regulation reform
Tax Reform
Building the wall
Holding China accountable
Renegotiating NAFTA
The list goes on and on....
Not to give a pass for Trump on Obamacare, but that was something the conks should have had ready on day 1 of Trumps presidency. They didn't because establishment conks also want a large government to control the people as well. Go figure.UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:11 pmHow'd he do with replacing Obamacare? Trump has done well at some things but he's as full of shit and/or looking to line his own and his friends pockets as the rest of them.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:08 pm
Bullshit. Trump has solved all kinds of ‘problems’ that have been plaguing the country for years, and which no normal politician had the balls to touch:
Prison sentencing reform
Drug pricing reform
Banking regulation reform
Tax Reform
Building the wall
Holding China accountable
Renegotiating NAFTA
The list goes on and on....
CID - libertarians aren't completely rightists.
Doesn’t change the fact no politician would touch 90% of these. And he did.UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:11 pmHow'd he do with replacing Obamacare? Trump has done well at some things but he's as full of shit and/or looking to line his own and his friends pockets as the rest of them.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:08 pm
Bullshit. Trump has solved all kinds of ‘problems’ that have been plaguing the country for years, and which no normal politician had the balls to touch:
Prison sentencing reform
Drug pricing reform
Banking regulation reform
Tax Reform
Building the wall
Holding China accountable
Renegotiating NAFTA
The list goes on and on....
CID - libertarians aren't completely rightists.
Diplomacy only works if there's an honest, two exchange occurring. We don't have that with China.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:10 amNo. I have plenty of issues with China, and their human right issues are atrocious, but I'm against closing relationships with any country. And it's not like the US is some beacon of freedom either. Plus Americans are plenty to blame in looking the other way in order to chase the almighty dollar. This US-China relationship is toxic, but everywhere has played a role in making it that way.
Problems can be fixed through diplomacy and cultural exchange, not military and shutting doors. The people of China - like the vast majority of people in the world - are good people. Both our governments, and corporate/state capitalism, are the issue.
I don't know, Trip. You can say a lot about AZs politics but there's one thing about him that's clear - he's consistent. He's consistently been against our Chinese policy. He doesn't like any policy that has the US kowtowing to some other country or interest group. If the policy were equally beneficial, then I can see him having some level of support. But it isn't. Our policy with China is essentially, " Shut Up and take my money."
It's true for both sides. And honestly, right now is a bit bizzarro world. I used to take comfort that, at a high level, Democrats argued emotions and Republicans argued facts. Now they both argue emotions. Facts aren't facts. Facts are whatever either side says they are. It's strange indeed.SDHornet wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:46 pmLeftists never provide specifics, because they don't have any. Kinda like the "everything is racists" garbage they spew. It's a general cover to give themselves an out without actually providing solutions to problems.CID1990 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:30 pm
Maybe you should stop dodging the question with your fallacious logic and tell us what kind of diplomacy you would use to get China to stop being a bad actor?
Because if I recall correctly, people who think like you were hypercritical of the belligerent/isolation approach we used with the Soviets. What happened with US foreign policy was your ideological forebears getting exactly what they wanted- just be nice to China and they’ll come along and reform themselves. So we’ve tried both now, and whaddaya know? The ideological left likes neither! (But still throws out the “diplomacy” canard like they know what that means)
So I’ll ask again before I accuse you of what you are actually up to - what kind of diplomacy?
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The US-China relationship benefited both nations economically, tremendously I may add. It lifted China out of poverty and transformed it from agrarian-based to manufacturing-based. It transformed ours from manufacturing-based to research/services-based, which meant a more educated populace and higher-paying jobs.Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:40 amI don't know, Trip. You can say a lot about AZs politics but there's one thing about him that's clear - he's consistent. He's consistently been against our Chinese policy. He doesn't like any policy that has the US kowtowing to some other country or interest group. If the policy were equally beneficial, then I can see him having some level of support. But it isn't. Our policy with China is essentially, " Shut Up and take my money."
And the same with CID. If anything CID is our own Winston Churchill, sounding the alarm before anyone else and not giving an inch in what he knows to be right.
CID/AZ - I hope I characterized you two correctly.
No, I know our money went to China which helped it pull itself out of the quagmire caused by its socialist policies. In return we got a lot of cheap products, lost a lot of jobs and intellectual property.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:37 amThe US-China relationship benefited both nations economically, tremendously I may add. It lifted China out of poverty and transformed it from agrarian-based to manufacturing-based. It transformed ours from manufacturing-based to research/services-based, which meant a more educated populace and higher-paying jobs.Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:40 am
I don't know, Trip. You can say a lot about AZs politics but there's one thing about him that's clear - he's consistent. He's consistently been against our Chinese policy. He doesn't like any policy that has the US kowtowing to some other country or interest group. If the policy were equally beneficial, then I can see him having some level of support. But it isn't. Our policy with China is essentially, " Shut Up and take my money."
And the same with CID. If anything CID is our own Winston Churchill, sounding the alarm before anyone else and not giving an inch in what he knows to be right.
CID/AZ - I hope I characterized you two correctly.
Now imagine if we voted for policies where we took that new economic wealth and put it in stuff that mattered: education, medicine, renewable energy, re-training, infrastructure, space, world diplomacy, cultural exchanges, etc.
What did we do instead? Military spending, tax cuts which benefit a few, gutting education, corporate handouts...all so that wealth from the US-China relationship goes to a small percentage of people instead of benefiting the nation as a whole.
We could have EASILY put our money into things that kept us growing as a nation and ahead of China.
So yeah, complete failure.
I’m not sure he’s “solved” any of them and there are several where the long term economic benefits remain to be seen for decades.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:08 pmBullshit. Trump has solved all kinds of ‘problems’ that have been plaguing the country for years, and which no normal politician had the balls to touch:
Prison sentencing reform
Drug pricing reform
Banking regulation reform
Tax Reform
Building the wall
Holding China accountable
Renegotiating NAFTA
The list goes on and on....
I see you took an off-ramp on the question and decided to throw some ad hominems on your way off.∞∞∞ wrote:But that's the point.
Instead of using our relationship and wealth in a beneficial way, we allowed a handful of Americans to sell us out to the point where China figured they can f*ck us over - easily I might add - and get away with it. And what did other Americans do, reward that behavior.
Then you get idiots like CID and AZ coming in saying "WE NEED TO STOP CHINA" (yeah no sh*t) when they were the ones voting for policies and politicians - for decades - that allowed this to happen. It's ironic when they tell others to step aside and let them handle it.
It'd be funny if so many Americans - and future Americans - weren't hurt by these selfish policies.
Yeah. I distinctly remember Obama attacking all those with a vengeance.kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:14 amI’m not sure he’s “solved” any of them and there are several where the long term economic benefits remain to be seen for decades.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:08 pm
Bullshit. Trump has solved all kinds of ‘problems’ that have been plaguing the country for years, and which no normal politician had the balls to touch:
Prison sentencing reform
Drug pricing reform
Banking regulation reform
Tax Reform
Building the wall
Holding China accountable
Renegotiating NAFTA
The list goes on and on....
Most politicians pay lip service if not take small actions at all of these.
Perhaps he’s been more agressive in some regards?
