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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:26 am
houndawg wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:04 pm

:suspicious: its almost like there was more....
Yes. Remember when Trump paid hookers to piss on the bed Obama slept in...like that? More stuff like that?
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Trump Charged With Questioning Election Results While Not Being A Democrat

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Trump appeared in court yesterday after Special Council Jack Smith charged him with the high crime of questioning his election results while not being a Democrat.

"The sacred words penned in our Constitution, which I have so much reverence for, make it clear that only Democrats are allowed to question election results," said Smith to reporters. "Trump brazenly questioned an election even though his name isn't Hillary and he didn't even have a fake Russian dossier to prove his case. This is a dark and dangerous day for our democracy. Hehe, alliteration."

"We must be clear: no one who is a Republican is above the law."

The former President has also been charged with 6 other counts, including:

*Removing a USB drive without ejecting it first

*Going to McDonald's and getting a cup for water but filling it with Sprite

*Wearing a National Park Junior Ranger badge without finishing the activity booklet

*Pressing the 'credit' button on a card reader even though he was using a debit card

*Clicking the box saying he had read the Terms Of Service when he really just scrolled through it

*High treason against the media

At publishing time, Trump had pleaded "not guilty" on all charges on the grounds that he is actually a Democrat.
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Trump Indicted For Mocking US Women’s Soccer

U.S. — Former President Trump is facing yet another indictment, this time for mocking U.S. Women's soccer after their embarrassing loss to Sweden over the weekend.

"The sanctity of U.S. Women's soccer is never to be made fun of," said Special Council Jack Smith after reading the charges. "Every one of those highly attractive and beautiful women is both stunning and brave. We believe Trump violated the constitution somehow by making fun of them on Truth Social, and we will prove it as soon as we can figure out which law he broke."

According to sources, Trump posted the words "Nice shot Megan" shortly after Megan Rapinoe's terrible shot in which she kicked the ball like a girl and missed a penalty kick by a mile. "Such cruel, calloused, sexist behavior from Trump must be an obstruction of justice somehow. Or maybe a violation of some obscure 18th-century federal law governing sporting events. We'll get back to you," said Smith to reporters.

Sources within the U.S. Women's team confirmed all the players were distraught by Trump's mockery and are begging authorities to arrest him before it can happen again. "Please," said one anonymous source. "Our democracy depends on it."

At publishing time, the U.S. Women's Team had demanded higher pay to compensate for their emotional suffering following Trump's social media post.
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 8:52 pm
Trump Indicted For Mocking US Women’s Soccer

U.S. — Former President Trump is facing yet another indictment, this time for mocking U.S. Women's soccer after their embarrassing loss to Sweden over the weekend.

"The sanctity of U.S. Women's soccer is never to be made fun of," said Special Council Jack Smith after reading the charges. "Every one of those highly attractive and beautiful women is both stunning and brave. We believe Trump violated the constitution somehow by making fun of them on Truth Social, and we will prove it as soon as we can figure out which law he broke."

According to sources, Trump posted the words "Nice shot Megan" shortly after Megan Rapinoe's terrible shot in which she kicked the ball like a girl and missed a penalty kick by a mile. "Such cruel, calloused, sexist behavior from Trump must be an obstruction of justice somehow. Or maybe a violation of some obscure 18th-century federal law governing sporting events. We'll get back to you," said Smith to reporters.

Sources within the U.S. Women's team confirmed all the players were distraught by Trump's mockery and are begging authorities to arrest him before it can happen again. "Please," said one anonymous source. "Our democracy depends on it."

At publishing time, the U.S. Women's Team had demanded higher pay to compensate for their emotional suffering following Trump's social media post.
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Trump totally agreeing with himself again..

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Blood chilling indeed. This sums up why Trump and Co. should spend a long time behind bars. Jan. 6th was the last desperate act, not the feature.
Carroll’s op-ed in The Dispatch, titled “An Unthinkable Choice,” leads with a jarring subhead that declares, “Donald Trump’s advisers would have put the U.S. military in the position of defying orders or turning their weapons on civilians.”

Carroll begins by writing, “As a veteran, my blood ran cold reading two particular passages in special counsel Jack Smith’s indictment.” He goes on to explain that in those two specific paragraphs, Smith details how then-President Trump and the team of election-denying lawyers surrounding him laid out an “autocratic plan to remain in power” that would “make the U.S. military choose between subservience to civilian control or refusing to undertake an anti-democratic domestic political role.”


Carroll continues, noting that Trump’s alleged coconspirators had discussed how to quell the inevitable rioting should he overturn the 2020 election:

In the first passage, it appears that when a deputy White House counsel warned Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Clark that if Trump remained in office despite the absence of any evidence of outcome-determinative election fraud, riots would break out in U.S. cities, Clark responded, “That’s why there’s an Insurrection Act.” In the second, the indictment reports that when similarly warned of the risk of riots, Trump’s outside counsel John Eastman responded that there were points in American history when violence was necessary to protect the republic.
He goes on to explain that Trump’s plan included having then Vice President Mike Pence nullify electoral college votes in key states won by Biden and have them replaced by Trump votes, changing the outcome of the election. Pence, in recent days, has made clear in media interviews that this was indeed Trump’s plan, which he refused to go along with.

Trump’s team “anticipated that this unconstitutional act might lead to widespread unrest, and that they planned for the commander-in-chief to order federal troops (or federalized National Guardsmen) to put down those riots. The armed services were to be told to use force against Americans to keep Trump in office, despite the objective fact, as established in more than 60 judicial proceedings, that Biden won the 2020 election,” Carroll explains, focusing on the planning for the aftermath of overturning the election.
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kalm wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:34 am Blood chilling indeed. This sums up why Trump and Co. should spend a long time behind bars. Jan. 6th was the last desperate act, not the feature.
Carroll’s op-ed in The Dispatch, titled “An Unthinkable Choice,” leads with a jarring subhead that declares, “Donald Trump’s advisers would have put the U.S. military in the position of defying orders or turning their weapons on civilians.”

Carroll begins by writing, “As a veteran, my blood ran cold reading two particular passages in special counsel Jack Smith’s indictment.” He goes on to explain that in those two specific paragraphs, Smith details how then-President Trump and the team of election-denying lawyers surrounding him laid out an “autocratic plan to remain in power” that would “make the U.S. military choose between subservience to civilian control or refusing to undertake an anti-democratic domestic political role.”


Carroll continues, noting that Trump’s alleged coconspirators had discussed how to quell the inevitable rioting should he overturn the 2020 election:

In the first passage, it appears that when a deputy White House counsel warned Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Clark that if Trump remained in office despite the absence of any evidence of outcome-determinative election fraud, riots would break out in U.S. cities, Clark responded, “That’s why there’s an Insurrection Act.” In the second, the indictment reports that when similarly warned of the risk of riots, Trump’s outside counsel John Eastman responded that there were points in American history when violence was necessary to protect the republic.
He goes on to explain that Trump’s plan included having then Vice President Mike Pence nullify electoral college votes in key states won by Biden and have them replaced by Trump votes, changing the outcome of the election. Pence, in recent days, has made clear in media interviews that this was indeed Trump’s plan, which he refused to go along with.

Trump’s team “anticipated that this unconstitutional act might lead to widespread unrest, and that they planned for the commander-in-chief to order federal troops (or federalized National Guardsmen) to put down those riots. The armed services were to be told to use force against Americans to keep Trump in office, despite the objective fact, as established in more than 60 judicial proceedings, that Biden won the 2020 election,” Carroll explains, focusing on the planning for the aftermath of overturning the election.
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Hence why we weren't anywhere close to democracy failing in this country. Pence couldn't nullify anything anyway, so those electoral votes were what they were no matter what Pence did. Therefore the election result was never in any real jeopardy - the court system already saw to that and SCOTUS would've eventually been there too to rebuke any attempts by Trump to disregard the election. The US military is something like 1.5 million folks, many of who also voted in the election. It's never in their remit to blindly follow the will of the President to remain in power by force when he doesn't have any other legitimacy to remain in power. And lastly, who's to say that "riots" would break out in the first place? In a nation of 300+M people, when the democratic norms are ignored, it would be pretty significant to have millions of those people fill the streets and demanding that the election results not be ignored - that doesn't have to be violent - 10-50 million people demonstrating in the streets by itself would be enough.

We have so many safeguards in place to resist anyone like Trump deciding to seize power and then holding on to it. He couldn't even get past the first step in what would've been a 100 step path to dictatorship. No doubt Trump and some of his cronies around him were and are bad men. But they didn't have an ounce of the power they'd need to eliminate democracy in this country. I think we're pretty good here.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:31 am
kalm wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:34 am Blood chilling indeed. This sums up why Trump and Co. should spend a long time behind bars. Jan. 6th was the last desperate act, not the feature.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/my-blood- ... candidate/
Hence why we weren't anywhere close to democracy failing in this country. Pence couldn't nullify anything anyway, so those electoral votes were what they were no matter what Pence did. Therefore the election result was never in any real jeopardy - the court system already saw to that and SCOTUS would've eventually been there too to rebuke any attempts by Trump to disregard the election. The US military is something like 1.5 million folks, many of who also voted in the election. It's never in their remit to blindly follow the will of the President to remain in power by force when he doesn't have any other legitimacy to remain in power. And lastly, who's to say that "riots" would break out in the first place? In a nation of 300+M people, when the democratic norms are ignored, it would be pretty significant to have millions of those people fill the streets and demanding that the election results not be ignored - that doesn't have to be violent - 10-50 million people demonstrating in the streets by itself would be enough.

We have so many safeguards in place to resist anyone like Trump deciding to seize power and then holding on to it. He couldn't even get past the first step in what would've been a 100 step path to dictatorship. No doubt Trump and some of his cronies around him were and are bad men. But they didn't have an ounce of the power they'd need to eliminate democracy in this country. I think we're pretty good here.
The irony of MAGAt yahoos complaining about Biden creating a banana republic is rich though.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:51 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:31 am

Hence why we weren't anywhere close to democracy failing in this country. Pence couldn't nullify anything anyway, so those electoral votes were what they were no matter what Pence did. Therefore the election result was never in any real jeopardy - the court system already saw to that and SCOTUS would've eventually been there too to rebuke any attempts by Trump to disregard the election. The US military is something like 1.5 million folks, many of who also voted in the election. It's never in their remit to blindly follow the will of the President to remain in power by force when he doesn't have any other legitimacy to remain in power. And lastly, who's to say that "riots" would break out in the first place? In a nation of 300+M people, when the democratic norms are ignored, it would be pretty significant to have millions of those people fill the streets and demanding that the election results not be ignored - that doesn't have to be violent - 10-50 million people demonstrating in the streets by itself would be enough.

We have so many safeguards in place to resist anyone like Trump deciding to seize power and then holding on to it. He couldn't even get past the first step in what would've been a 100 step path to dictatorship. No doubt Trump and some of his cronies around him were and are bad men. But they didn't have an ounce of the power they'd need to eliminate democracy in this country. I think we're pretty good here.
The irony of MAGAt yahoos complaining about Biden creating a banana republic is rich though.
I'm never surprised by the rank stupidness of MAGA yahoos. Those folks are rock stupid.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:31 am
kalm wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:34 am Blood chilling indeed. This sums up why Trump and Co. should spend a long time behind bars. Jan. 6th was the last desperate act, not the feature.



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Hence why we weren't anywhere close to democracy failing in this country. Pence couldn't nullify anything anyway, so those electoral votes were what they were no matter what Pence did. Therefore the election result was never in any real jeopardy - the court system already saw to that and SCOTUS would've eventually been there too to rebuke any attempts by Trump to disregard the election. The US military is something like 1.5 million folks, many of who also voted in the election. It's never in their remit to blindly follow the will of the President to remain in power by force when he doesn't have any other legitimacy to remain in power. And lastly, who's to say that "riots" would break out in the first place? In a nation of 300+M people, when the democratic norms are ignored, it would be pretty significant to have millions of those people fill the streets and demanding that the election results not be ignored - that doesn't have to be violent - 10-50 million people demonstrating in the streets by itself would be enough.

We have so many safeguards in place to resist anyone like Trump deciding to seize power and then holding on to it. He couldn't even get past the first step in what would've been a 100 step path to dictatorship. No doubt Trump and some of his cronies around him were and are bad men. But they didn't have an ounce of the power they'd need to eliminate democracy in this country. I think we're pretty good here.
We won’t know for certain any of this unless it happens. History is full of violent uprisings and coups. We were a small handful of people (including Pence) away from truly finding out who and how many bow to authority or would peacefully or violently revolt. The POTUS was willing to move in this direction and test it. That should give you pause.

Your tolerance for close is different than mine.
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kalm wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:00 am Trump totally agreeing with himself again..

:rofl:

Its going to be so boring without him :(
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:31 am
kalm wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:34 am Blood chilling indeed. This sums up why Trump and Co. should spend a long time behind bars. Jan. 6th was the last desperate act, not the feature.



https://www.mediaite.com/news/my-blood- ... candidate/
Hence why we weren't anywhere close to democracy failing in this country. Pence couldn't nullify anything anyway, so those electoral votes were what they were no matter what Pence did. Therefore the election result was never in any real jeopardy - the court system already saw to that and SCOTUS would've eventually been there too to rebuke any attempts by Trump to disregard the election. The US military is something like 1.5 million folks, many of who also voted in the election. It's never in their remit to blindly follow the will of the President to remain in power by force when he doesn't have any other legitimacy to remain in power. And lastly, who's to say that "riots" would break out in the first place? In a nation of 300+M people, when the democratic norms are ignored, it would be pretty significant to have millions of those people fill the streets and demanding that the election results not be ignored - that doesn't have to be violent - 10-50 million people demonstrating in the streets by itself would be enough.

We have so many safeguards in place to resist anyone like Trump deciding to seize power and then holding on to it. He couldn't even get past the first step in what would've been a 100 step path to dictatorship. No doubt Trump and some of his cronies around him were and are bad men. But they didn't have an ounce of the power they'd need to eliminate democracy in this country. I think we're pretty good here.
He had that step where security is caught completely unprepared and underequiped down solid. We still haven't heard that story yet or the two Secret Service agents that were supposedly ready to testify
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kalm wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:21 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:31 am

Hence why we weren't anywhere close to democracy failing in this country. Pence couldn't nullify anything anyway, so those electoral votes were what they were no matter what Pence did. Therefore the election result was never in any real jeopardy - the court system already saw to that and SCOTUS would've eventually been there too to rebuke any attempts by Trump to disregard the election. The US military is something like 1.5 million folks, many of who also voted in the election. It's never in their remit to blindly follow the will of the President to remain in power by force when he doesn't have any other legitimacy to remain in power. And lastly, who's to say that "riots" would break out in the first place? In a nation of 300+M people, when the democratic norms are ignored, it would be pretty significant to have millions of those people fill the streets and demanding that the election results not be ignored - that doesn't have to be violent - 10-50 million people demonstrating in the streets by itself would be enough.

We have so many safeguards in place to resist anyone like Trump deciding to seize power and then holding on to it. He couldn't even get past the first step in what would've been a 100 step path to dictatorship. No doubt Trump and some of his cronies around him were and are bad men. But they didn't have an ounce of the power they'd need to eliminate democracy in this country. I think we're pretty good here.
We won’t know for certain any of this unless it happens. History is full of violent uprisings and coups. We were a small handful of people (including Pence) away from truly finding out who and how many bow to authority or would peacefully or violently revolt. The POTUS was willing to move in this direction and test it. That should give you pause.

Your tolerance for close is different than mine.
"Give you pause" is far different than "blood chilling". Your own choice of words are way over the map here. Again, he couldn't even get the first step complete. As coups go, this one strains to even be called that. Maybe I'd think differently if it was someone other than Trump, but you'll never be able to convince me that Trump had an ounce of what would be needed to overthrow our system of government and install himself as dictator. That you believe he could actually makes me question you a little bit. :coffee:
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houndawg wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:03 pm
GannonFan wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:31 am

Hence why we weren't anywhere close to democracy failing in this country. Pence couldn't nullify anything anyway, so those electoral votes were what they were no matter what Pence did. Therefore the election result was never in any real jeopardy - the court system already saw to that and SCOTUS would've eventually been there too to rebuke any attempts by Trump to disregard the election. The US military is something like 1.5 million folks, many of who also voted in the election. It's never in their remit to blindly follow the will of the President to remain in power by force when he doesn't have any other legitimacy to remain in power. And lastly, who's to say that "riots" would break out in the first place? In a nation of 300+M people, when the democratic norms are ignored, it would be pretty significant to have millions of those people fill the streets and demanding that the election results not be ignored - that doesn't have to be violent - 10-50 million people demonstrating in the streets by itself would be enough.

We have so many safeguards in place to resist anyone like Trump deciding to seize power and then holding on to it. He couldn't even get past the first step in what would've been a 100 step path to dictatorship. No doubt Trump and some of his cronies around him were and are bad men. But they didn't have an ounce of the power they'd need to eliminate democracy in this country. I think we're pretty good here.
He had that step where security is caught completely unprepared and underequiped down solid. We still haven't heard that story yet or the two Secret Service agents that were supposedly ready to testify
Nah. We still haven't delved into how we didn't beef up security on 1/6 because we don't want to be distracted from the "Trump almost destroyed democracy" drumbeat (for reference, see every other post from kalmie). Something like 300-400 people were arrested for violence on that day. And we all knew it was coming because it was all over social media and the news for weeks leading up to 1/6 (heck, Trump was advertising it as the day, complete with rally and marching on the Capitol). How we weren't ready to deal with a few hundred folks intent on mob violence is beyond me. I get it, we don't like to blame the victim, and there's value in that. But if we actually paid attention to what was publicly being broadcast and acted accordingly (i.e. actually beefed up the protection of the Capitol) then those yahoos would've never even got up the steps. Coups in other countries are done mainly through the military and with tanks and real firepower - these knuckleheads showed up with bats and fire extinguishers. I'm hoping next time we pay attention to what's being shouted out weeks in advance.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:47 pm
kalm wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:21 am

We won’t know for certain any of this unless it happens. History is full of violent uprisings and coups. We were a small handful of people (including Pence) away from truly finding out who and how many bow to authority or would peacefully or violently revolt. The POTUS was willing to move in this direction and test it. That should give you pause.

Your tolerance for close is different than mine.
"Give you pause" is far different than "blood chilling". Your own choice of words are way over the map here. Again, he couldn't even get the first step complete. As coups go, this one strains to even be called that. Maybe I'd think differently if it was someone other than Trump, but you'll never be able to convince me that Trump had an ounce of what would be needed to overthrow our system of government and install himself as dictator. That you believe he could actually makes me question you a little bit. :coffee:
Not my words the words of a former counsel for the head of Homeland Security….someone who knew all of the actors and understood what they were capable of.

* attempted coup…deep into the planning process.

That you don’t understand and/or are under-informed here makes me question your appreciation of history, critical thinking skills, or at least suggests you can’t admit you were off on this one from the start and can’t admit it.

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GannonFan wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:56 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:03 pm

He had that step where security is caught completely unprepared and underequiped down solid. We still haven't heard that story yet or the two Secret Service agents that were supposedly ready to testify
Nah. We still haven't delved into how we didn't beef up security on 1/6 because we don't want to be distracted from the "Trump almost destroyed democracy" drumbeat (for reference, see every other post from kalmie). Something like 300-400 people were arrested for violence on that day. And we all knew it was coming because it was all over social media and the news for weeks leading up to 1/6 (heck, Trump was advertising it as the day, complete with rally and marching on the Capitol). How we weren't ready to deal with a few hundred folks intent on mob violence is beyond me. I get it, we don't like to blame the victim, and there's value in that. But if we actually paid attention to what was publicly being broadcast and acted accordingly (i.e. actually beefed up the protection of the Capitol) then those yahoos would've never even got up the steps. Coups in other countries are done mainly through the military and with tanks and real firepower - these knuckleheads showed up with bats and fire extinguishers. I'm hoping next time we pay attention to what's being shouted out weeks in advance.
I don't see any mystery about it- one reason the cops got caught with their pants completely down was that they assumed they were among friends when the crowd is a crowd of white, Back the Blues, Patriot Goatkeepers, and lots of off-duty cops from all over the country. I bet most of the white cops at the Capital that got the shit kicked out of them voted for Trump.


If a frog had wings he wouldn't whomp hi ass a hoppin' and if Jan 6 were a BLM or Antifa function they would have had live ammo and fixed bayonets waiting.
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houndawg wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:55 pm
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Nah. We still haven't delved into how we didn't beef up security on 1/6 because we don't want to be distracted from the "Trump almost destroyed democracy" drumbeat (for reference, see every other post from kalmie). Something like 300-400 people were arrested for violence on that day. And we all knew it was coming because it was all over social media and the news for weeks leading up to 1/6 (heck, Trump was advertising it as the day, complete with rally and marching on the Capitol). How we weren't ready to deal with a few hundred folks intent on mob violence is beyond me. I get it, we don't like to blame the victim, and there's value in that. But if we actually paid attention to what was publicly being broadcast and acted accordingly (i.e. actually beefed up the protection of the Capitol) then those yahoos would've never even got up the steps. Coups in other countries are done mainly through the military and with tanks and real firepower - these knuckleheads showed up with bats and fire extinguishers. I'm hoping next time we pay attention to what's being shouted out weeks in advance.
I don't see any mystery about it- one reason the cops got caught with their pants completely down was that they assumed they were among friends when the crowd is a crowd of white, Back the Blues, Patriot Goatkeepers, and lots of off-duty cops from all over the country. I bet most of the white cops at the Capital that got the shit kicked out of them voted for Trump.


If a frog had wings he wouldn't whomp hi ass a hoppin' and if Jan 6 were a BLM or Antifa function they would have had live ammo and fixed bayonets waiting.
That theory is as viable as the Pelosi intentionally didn't ask for more security to make trump look bad theory.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:56 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:03 pm

He had that step where security is caught completely unprepared and underequiped down solid. We still haven't heard that story yet or the two Secret Service agents that were supposedly ready to testify
Nah. We still haven't delved into how we didn't beef up security on 1/6 because we don't want to be distracted from the "Trump almost destroyed democracy" drumbeat (for reference, see every other post from kalmie). Something like 300-400 people were arrested for violence on that day. And we all knew it was coming because it was all over social media and the news for weeks leading up to 1/6 (heck, Trump was advertising it as the day, complete with rally and marching on the Capitol). How we weren't ready to deal with a few hundred folks intent on mob violence is beyond me. I get it, we don't like to blame the victim, and there's value in that. But if we actually paid attention to what was publicly being broadcast and acted accordingly (i.e. actually beefed up the protection of the Capitol) then those yahoos would've never even got up the steps. Coups in other countries are done mainly through the military and with tanks and real firepower - these knuckleheads showed up with bats and fire extinguishers. I'm hoping next time we pay attention to what's being shouted out weeks in advance.
As I mentioned in the post and what the article is about, J6 wasn’t the feature. “Tanks and firepower” are literally what is implied by Jeffery Clark, John Eastman, and this article (which I’m almost certain now you didn’t take the time to read). Additionally there are other questions regarding security that day that further implicate Trump’s involvement.

It’s ok, Ganny, you don’t have to care and can continue to minimize the historical/serious nature of what’s literally contained in the indictment. You’re not alone.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:19 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:55 pm

I don't see any mystery about it- one reason the cops got caught with their pants completely down was that they assumed they were among friends when the crowd is a crowd of white, Back the Blues, Patriot Goatkeepers, and lots of off-duty cops from all over the country. I bet most of the white cops at the Capital that got the shit kicked out of them voted for Trump.


If a frog had wings he wouldn't whomp hi ass a hoppin' and if Jan 6 were a BLM or Antifa function they would have had live ammo and fixed bayonets waiting.
That theory is as viable as the Pelosi intentionally didn't ask for more security to make trump look bad theory.
Maybe the real answer is people just plum screwed up and didn't think ahead properly? It happens. Especially with a group of people that are more concerned about the politics than reality.
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kalm wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:21 pm
GannonFan wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:47 pm

"Give you pause" is far different than "blood chilling". Your own choice of words are way over the map here. Again, he couldn't even get the first step complete. As coups go, this one strains to even be called that. Maybe I'd think differently if it was someone other than Trump, but you'll never be able to convince me that Trump had an ounce of what would be needed to overthrow our system of government and install himself as dictator. That you believe he could actually makes me question you a little bit. :coffee:
Not my words the words of a former counsel for the head of Homeland Security….someone who knew all of the actors and understood what they were capable of.

* attempted coup…deep into the planning process.

That you don’t understand and/or are under-informed here makes me question your appreciation of history, critical thinking skills, or at least suggests you can’t admit you were off on this one from the start and can’t admit it.

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Well, I both understand and am properly informed, so everything else you conclude is faulty. But hey, this isn't the first time you're adamant about something and in the end, wrong about. It's what you do.
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kalm wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:20 pm
GannonFan wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:56 pm

Nah. We still haven't delved into how we didn't beef up security on 1/6 because we don't want to be distracted from the "Trump almost destroyed democracy" drumbeat (for reference, see every other post from kalmie). Something like 300-400 people were arrested for violence on that day. And we all knew it was coming because it was all over social media and the news for weeks leading up to 1/6 (heck, Trump was advertising it as the day, complete with rally and marching on the Capitol). How we weren't ready to deal with a few hundred folks intent on mob violence is beyond me. I get it, we don't like to blame the victim, and there's value in that. But if we actually paid attention to what was publicly being broadcast and acted accordingly (i.e. actually beefed up the protection of the Capitol) then those yahoos would've never even got up the steps. Coups in other countries are done mainly through the military and with tanks and real firepower - these knuckleheads showed up with bats and fire extinguishers. I'm hoping next time we pay attention to what's being shouted out weeks in advance.
As I mentioned in the post and what the article is about, J6 wasn’t the feature. “Tanks and firepower” are literally what is implied by Jeffery Clark, John Eastman, and this article (which I’m almost certain now you didn’t take the time to read). Additionally there are other questions regarding security that day that further implicate Trump’s involvement.

It’s ok, Ganny, you don’t have to care and can continue to minimize the historical/serious nature of what’s literally contained in the indictment. You’re not alone.
And sure they implied it, with absolutely zero idea of how to make it happen, other than hope. The article said nothing about the practicalities of how to really get the cooperation, and at that point basically the buy-in, of 1.5 million armed service members. Heck, they couldn't even get the National Guard to drive over to the Capitol and you have them capable of overpowering the entire country. Put down the Kool-Aid, walk outside (it's safe out there, trust me) and take a few breaths. You've been in front of the computer or on your phone too long and you need to climb out of the rabbit hole.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:29 pm
kalm wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:20 pm

As I mentioned in the post and what the article is about, J6 wasn’t the feature. “Tanks and firepower” are literally what is implied by Jeffery Clark, John Eastman, and this article (which I’m almost certain now you didn’t take the time to read). Additionally there are other questions regarding security that day that further implicate Trump’s involvement.

It’s ok, Ganny, you don’t have to care and can continue to minimize the historical/serious nature of what’s literally contained in the indictment. You’re not alone.
And sure they implied it, with absolutely zero idea of how to make it happen, other than hope. The article said nothing about the practicalities of how to really get the cooperation, and at that point basically the buy-in, of 1.5 million armed service members. Heck, they couldn't even get the National Guard to drive over to the Capitol and you have them capable of overpowering the entire country. Put down the Kool-Aid, walk outside (it's safe out there, trust me) and take a few breaths. You've been in front of the computer or on your phone too long and you need to climb out of the rabbit hole.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:25 pm
kalm wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:21 pm

Not my words the words of a former counsel for the head of Homeland Security….someone who knew all of the actors and understood what they were capable of.

* attempted coup…deep into the planning process.

That you don’t understand and/or are under-informed here makes me question your appreciation of history, critical thinking skills, or at least suggests you can’t admit you were off on this one from the start and can’t admit it.

:)
Well, I both understand and am properly informed, so everything else you conclude is faulty. But hey, this isn't the first time you're adamant about something and in the end, wrong about. It's what you do.
So it’s just willful ignorance then. :lol:
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:55 pm
GannonFan wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:29 pm

And sure they implied it, with absolutely zero idea of how to make it happen, other than hope. The article said nothing about the practicalities of how to really get the cooperation, and at that point basically the buy-in, of 1.5 million armed service members. Heck, they couldn't even get the National Guard to drive over to the Capitol and you have them capable of overpowering the entire country. Put down the Kool-Aid, walk outside (it's safe out there, trust me) and take a few breaths. You've been in front of the computer or on your phone too long and you need to climb out of the rabbit hole.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:55 pm
GannonFan wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:29 pm

And sure they implied it, with absolutely zero idea of how to make it happen, other than hope. The article said nothing about the practicalities of how to really get the cooperation, and at that point basically the buy-in, of 1.5 million armed service members. Heck, they couldn't even get the National Guard to drive over to the Capitol and you have them capable of overpowering the entire country. Put down the Kool-Aid, walk outside (it's safe out there, trust me) and take a few breaths. You've been in front of the computer or on your phone too long and you need to climb out of the rabbit hole.
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