Coronavirus COVID-19

[GannonFan]

A devastating takedown of a despicable liar.

We do live in very strange times indeed. In an earlier age, media would've been a lot more diligent about tracking down something like where COVID originated and how people reacted to it. Obviously, in this polarized age, we can't do that. There's a feeling that even considering that we, the US, either the government or private entities, were doing questionable research in that lab in Wuhan, likely because we couldn't get approved to do it here in the US due to the safety concerns, and at some point that virus leaked out of that lab because of lax safety policies, and then that virus became a world-wide pandemic - we can't seemingly consider that because doing so would take some of the blame off of Trump and politically, it was important for him to take a lot of blame. That's just so weird, but it's where we are as a society. Trump did a ton wrong in that crisis, even not considering where this virus originated and how. Fauci very likely knew a lot more than he ever let on. We'll have to leave it to future historians to sort all of this out since we're apparently too paralyzed by political dysfunction to do it ourselves.

[Caribbean Hen]

A devastating takedown of a despicable liar.

We do live in very strange times indeed. In an earlier age, media would've been a lot more diligent about tracking down something like where COVID originated and how people reacted to it. Obviously, in this polarized age, we can't do that. There's a feeling that even considering that we, the US, either the government or private entities, were doing questionable research in that lab in Wuhan, likely because we couldn't get approved to do it here in the US due to the safety concerns, and at some point that virus leaked out of that lab because of lax safety policies, and then that virus became a world-wide pandemic - we can't seemingly consider that because doing so would take some of the blame off of Trump and politically, it was important for him to take a lot of blame. That's just so weird, but it's where we are as a society. Trump did a ton wrong in that crisis, even not considering where this virus originated and how. Fauci very likely knew a lot more than he ever let on. We'll have to leave it to future historians to sort all of this out since we're apparently too paralyzed by political dysfunction to do it ourselves.

The little glimmering leprechaun was called out very early during the pandemic…. An elitist criminal and Thomas Sowell said it best

“Of all ignorance, the ignorance of the educated is the most dangerous. Not only are educated people likely to have more influence, they are the last people to suspect that they don’t know what they are talking about when they go outside their narrow fields.”
— Thomas Sowell (https://quotefancy.com/thomas-sowell-quotes)

[SeattleGriz]

A devastating takedown of a despicable liar.

We do live in very strange times indeed. In an earlier age, media would've been a lot more diligent about tracking down something like where COVID originated and how people reacted to it. Obviously, in this polarized age, we can't do that. There's a feeling that even considering that we, the US, either the government or private entities, were doing questionable research in that lab in Wuhan, likely because we couldn't get approved to do it here in the US due to the safety concerns, and at some point that virus leaked out of that lab because of lax safety policies, and then that virus became a world-wide pandemic - we can't seemingly consider that because doing so would take some of the blame off of Trump and politically, it was important for him to take a lot of blame. That's just so weird, but it's where we are as a society. Trump did a ton wrong in that crisis, even not considering where this virus originated and how. Fauci very likely knew a lot more than he ever let on. We'll have to leave it to future historians to sort all of this out since we're apparently too paralyzed by political dysfunction to do it ourselves.

The South China Sea news had the story out the first week that this was farmed out from America to China because it's simply impossible to prevent all outbreaks.

Now that we have some hindsite, please tell us what Trump did wrong? I keep hearing this generalized statement, but then met with silence when asking what Trump should have done. Shocking, I know.

[BDKJMU]

We do live in very strange times indeed. In an earlier age, media would've been a lot more diligent about tracking down something like where COVID originated and how people reacted to it. Obviously, in this polarized age, we can't do that. There's a feeling that even considering that we, the US, either the government or private entities, were doing questionable research in that lab in Wuhan, likely because we couldn't get approved to do it here in the US due to the safety concerns, and at some point that virus leaked out of that lab because of lax safety policies, and then that virus became a world-wide pandemic - we can't seemingly consider that because doing so would take some of the blame off of Trump and politically, it was important for him to take a lot of blame. That's just so weird, but it's where we are as a society. Trump did a ton wrong in that crisis, even not considering where this virus originated and how. Fauci very likely knew a lot more than he ever let on. We'll have to leave it to future historians to sort all of this out since we're apparently too paralyzed by political dysfunction to do it ourselves.

The South China Sea news had the story out the first week that this was farmed out from America to China because it's simply impossible to prevent all outbreaks.

Now that we have some hindsite, please tell us what Trump did wrong? I keep hearing this generalized statement, but then met with silence when asking what Trump should have done. Shocking, I know.

Well, there is one thing- he should have fired that little f*cking lying, lab coat tyrant..

[SeattleGriz]

The South China Sea news had the story out the first week that this was farmed out from America to China because it's simply impossible to prevent all outbreaks.

Now that we have some hindsite, please tell us what Trump did wrong? I keep hearing this generalized statement, but then met with silence when asking what Trump should have done. Shocking, I know.

Well, there is one thing- he should have fired that little f*cking lying, lab coat tyrant..

For sure, but the narrative of Trump mishandling the pandemic was all based on bullshit beliefs he wasn't serious enough in the he beginning.

Now seeing the lock downs and mandates were way over the top, Trump is vindicated and those lacking intellectual curiosity are silent.

[Caribbean Hen]

Well, there is one thing- he should have fired that little f*cking lying, lab coat tyrant..

For sure, but the narrative of Trump mishandling the pandemic was all based on bullshit beliefs he wasn't serious enough in the he beginning.

Now seeing the lock downs and mandates were way over the top, Trump is vindicated and those lacking intellectual curiosity are silent.

We should have done nothing except protect the elderly and most vulnerable…. Don’t even make it public

[GannonFan]

We do live in very strange times indeed. In an earlier age, media would've been a lot more diligent about tracking down something like where COVID originated and how people reacted to it. Obviously, in this polarized age, we can't do that. There's a feeling that even considering that we, the US, either the government or private entities, were doing questionable research in that lab in Wuhan, likely because we couldn't get approved to do it here in the US due to the safety concerns, and at some point that virus leaked out of that lab because of lax safety policies, and then that virus became a world-wide pandemic - we can't seemingly consider that because doing so would take some of the blame off of Trump and politically, it was important for him to take a lot of blame. That's just so weird, but it's where we are as a society. Trump did a ton wrong in that crisis, even not considering where this virus originated and how. Fauci very likely knew a lot more than he ever let on. We'll have to leave it to future historians to sort all of this out since we're apparently too paralyzed by political dysfunction to do it ourselves.

The South China Sea news had the story out the first week that this was farmed out from America to China because it's simply impossible to prevent all outbreaks.

Now that we have some hindsite, please tell us what Trump did wrong? I keep hearing this generalized statement, but then met with silence when asking what Trump should have done. Shocking, I know.

What did he do wrong? He practically provided zero leadership throughout the pandemic. He looked and sounded uninformed, he didn't have a clue what he wanted to to do, and his administration provided very little guidance as to how to respond and deal with the pandemic. Sure, a lot of his opponents made responses to the pandemic political, but Trump carries much of the same blame. This was a textbook case of un-leadership as you'll likely ever see and hopefully won't see again. He gets credit for pushing through the vaccine but he loses a lot of that as his own supporters were the first to cast dispersions on the same vaccine. And considering Fauci was in the same government Trump was leading and was orchestrating a lot of the cover-up of what was really going on in that Wuhan lab and what involvement the US had there, it doesn't speak much to Trump's leadership at all. There's little doubt that when Trump faced this crisis he simply wilted before it. That will always be his legacy.

[kalm]

For sure, but the narrative of Trump mishandling the pandemic was all based on bullshit beliefs he wasn't serious enough in the he beginning.

Now seeing the lock downs and mandates were way over the top, Trump is vindicated and those lacking intellectual curiosity are silent.

We should have done nothing except protect the elderly and most vulnerable…. Don’t even make it public

As one does when facing highly communicable and deadly diseases which can shut down an entire society.

[Caribbean Hen]

The South China Sea news had the story out the first week that this was farmed out from America to China because it's simply impossible to prevent all outbreaks.

Now that we have some hindsite, please tell us what Trump did wrong? I keep hearing this generalized statement, but then met with silence when asking what Trump should have done. Shocking, I know.

What did he do wrong? He practically provided zero leadership throughout the pandemic. He looked and sounded uninformed, he didn't have a clue what he wanted to to do, and his administration provided very little guidance as to how to respond and deal with the pandemic. Sure, a lot of his opponents made responses to the pandemic political, but Trump carries much of the same blame. This was a textbook case of un-leadership as you'll likely ever see and hopefully won't see again. He gets credit for pushing through the vaccine but he loses a lot of that as his own supporters were the first to cast dispersions on the same vaccine. And considering Fauci was in the same government Trump was leading and was orchestrating a lot of the cover-up of what was really going on in that Wuhan lab and what involvement the US had there, it doesn't speak much to Trump's leadership at all. There's little doubt that when Trump faced this crisis he simply wilted before it. That will always be his legacy.

Don’t forget all those govt “planners” that had decades to get ready for showtime and when the lights came on…. They had nothing. Tears will fall like Niagara when a President finally trims the fat off the government bacon

Too many idiots to appease these days

[UNI88]

What did he do wrong? He practically provided zero leadership throughout the pandemic. He looked and sounded uninformed, he didn't have a clue what he wanted to to do, and his administration provided very little guidance as to how to respond and deal with the pandemic. Sure, a lot of his opponents made responses to the pandemic political, but Trump carries much of the same blame. This was a textbook case of un-leadership as you'll likely ever see and hopefully won't see again. He gets credit for pushing through the vaccine but he loses a lot of that as his own supporters were the first to cast dispersions on the same vaccine. And considering Fauci was in the same government Trump was leading and was orchestrating a lot of the cover-up of what was really going on in that Wuhan lab and what involvement the US had there, it doesn't speak much to Trump's leadership at all. There's little doubt that when Trump faced this crisis he simply wilted before it. That will always be his legacy.

Don’t forget all those govt “planners” that had decades to get ready for showtime and when the lights came on…. They had nothing. Tears will fall like Niagara when a President finally trims the fat off the government bacon

Too many idiots to appease these days

CH Playbook:
Situation - poster criticizes trump in a way that can't be refuted
Response - criticize others to deflect blame

[Caribbean Hen]

Don’t forget all those govt “planners” that had decades to get ready for showtime and when the lights came on…. They had nothing. Tears will fall like Niagara when a President finally trims the fat off the government bacon

Too many idiots to appease these days

CH Playbook:
Situation - poster criticizes trump in a way that can't be refuted
Response - criticize others to deflect blame

CH playbook

Noticed a lot of posters have a severe case of TDS and don’t really give Trump a fair shake but yet anoint they’re idiots on the highest pedestal and it’s fucking ridiculous

[kalm]

CH Playbook:
Situation - poster criticizes trump in a way that can't be refuted
Response - criticize others to deflect blame

CH playbook

Noticed a lot of posters have a severe case of TDS and don’t really give Trump a fair shake but yet anoint they’re idiots on the highest pedestal and it’s fucking ridiculous

Respect is earned. It’s not an entitlement.

[UNI88]

CH Playbook:
Situation - poster criticizes trump in a way that can't be refuted
Response - criticize others to deflect blame

CH playbook

Noticed a lot of posters have a severe case of TDS and don’t really give Trump a fair shake but yet anoint they’re idiots on the highest pedestal and it’s fucking ridiculous

You were responding to Ganny, probably the most rational and unbiased poster on the Poly board so your claims of tDS and not giving trump a fair shake are crybaby baloney.

I'm critical of trump and biden. You are only critical of biden. Look in a mirror if you want to know who has a worse case of _DS.

If I don't give trump a fair shake, you give him a pass on everything, holding him responsible/accountable for nothing. That's a pretty high pedestal that you're anointing your idiot on.

[SeattleGriz]

The South China Sea news had the story out the first week that this was farmed out from America to China because it's simply impossible to prevent all outbreaks.

Now that we have some hindsite, please tell us what Trump did wrong? I keep hearing this generalized statement, but then met with silence when asking what Trump should have done. Shocking, I know.

What did he do wrong? He practically provided zero leadership throughout the pandemic. He looked and sounded uninformed, he didn't have a clue what he wanted to to do, and his administration provided very little guidance as to how to respond and deal with the pandemic. Sure, a lot of his opponents made responses to the pandemic political, but Trump carries much of the same blame. This was a textbook case of un-leadership as you'll likely ever see and hopefully won't see again. He gets credit for pushing through the vaccine but he loses a lot of that as his own supporters were the first to cast dispersions on the same vaccine. And considering Fauci was in the same government Trump was leading and was orchestrating a lot of the cover-up of what was really going on in that Wuhan lab and what involvement the US had there, it doesn't speak much to Trump's leadership at all. There's little doubt that when Trump faced this crisis he simply wilted before it. That will always be his legacy.

Thank you for the answer and I'll be brief. There will never be a President that handles a pandemic properly. Too many people will always say the President isn't serious enough and is killing people.

Trump was on the right track with some of his advisors (Scott Atlas) but the media attacked them as well.

If Trump would have said, "fuck ya all, were staying open", you can damn well bet he'd have been vilified unmercifully as a killer.

You made an interesting comment, so I have to ask, how hard core was your wife on vaccines and lockdowns?

[SeattleGriz]

We should have done nothing except protect the elderly and most vulnerable…. Don’t even make it public

As one does when facing highly communicable and deadly diseases which can shut down an entire society.

Jesus. Just stop. You really keep embarrassing yourself on this subject.

[UNI88]

As one does when facing highly communicable and deadly diseases which can shut down an entire society.

Jesus. Just stop. You really keep embarrassing yourself on this subject.

Embarrassing is saying "don't even make it public." How in the fvck do you keep it from being public? It was sweeping the world and was in the news. We don't live in a country like North Korea or even China where the government can control the news.

[SeattleGriz]

Jesus. Just stop. You really keep embarrassing yourself on this subject.

Embarrassing is saying "don't even make it public." How in the fvck do you keep it from being public? It was sweeping the world and was in the news. We don't live in a country like North Korea or even China where the government can control the news.

Wut? Expand on that a little more. Not following you yet.

[UNI88]

Embarrassing is saying "don't even make it public." How in the fvck do you keep it from being public? It was sweeping the world and was in the news. We don't live in a country like North Korea or even China where the government can control the news.

Wut? Expand on that a little more. Not following you yet.

kalm's post that you said he was embarrassing himself was in response to ...

We should have done nothing except protect the elderly and most vulnerable…. Don’t even make it public

As one does when facing highly communicable and deadly diseases which can shut down an entire society.

[SeattleGriz]

Wut? Expand on that a little more. Not following you yet.

kalm's post that you said he was embarrassing himself was in response to ...

As one does when facing highly communicable and deadly diseases which can shut down an entire society.

Ah. Thank you.

CH is way more correct than Klamala. Median IFR was 0.034%. That means 3.4 out of 10,000 people died from COVID. You know who that 3.4% was? They were the ones that on average had six comorbidities and were on an average of 12 medications. In essence, they were metabolic trainwrecks. Those that fear cold and flu season each year.

Protect them and let the rest of society function.

[Caribbean Hen]

Jesus. Just stop. You really keep embarrassing yourself on this subject.

Embarrassing is saying "don't even make it public." How in the fvck do you keep it from being public? It was sweeping the world and was in the news. We don't live in a country like North Korea or even China where the government can control the news.

You sure about that?

[Caribbean Hen]

kalm's post that you said he was embarrassing himself was in response to ...

Ah. Thank you.

CH is way more correct than Klamala. Median IFR was 0.034%. That means 3.4 out of 10,000 people died from COVID. You know who that 3.4% was? They were the ones that on average had six comorbidities and were on an average of 12 medications. In essence, they were metabolic trainwrecks. Those that fear cold and flu season each year.

Protect them and let the rest of society function.

Thank you much SG

Our reaction to the virus was 10 times worse than the actual virus….. just proves the real virus is the overbearing government and cubicle dweller e-mail warriors and leadership

and maybe Biden’s most idiotic statement of all time was
….. if you get the vaccine, you will not catch the virus….

[GannonFan]

What did he do wrong? He practically provided zero leadership throughout the pandemic. He looked and sounded uninformed, he didn't have a clue what he wanted to to do, and his administration provided very little guidance as to how to respond and deal with the pandemic. Sure, a lot of his opponents made responses to the pandemic political, but Trump carries much of the same blame. This was a textbook case of un-leadership as you'll likely ever see and hopefully won't see again. He gets credit for pushing through the vaccine but he loses a lot of that as his own supporters were the first to cast dispersions on the same vaccine. And considering Fauci was in the same government Trump was leading and was orchestrating a lot of the cover-up of what was really going on in that Wuhan lab and what involvement the US had there, it doesn't speak much to Trump's leadership at all. There's little doubt that when Trump faced this crisis he simply wilted before it. That will always be his legacy.

Thank you for the answer and I'll be brief. There will never be a President that handles a pandemic properly. Too many people will always say the President isn't serious enough and is killing people.

Trump was on the right track with some of his advisors (Scott Atlas) but the media attacked them as well.

If Trump would have said, "fuck ya all, were staying open", you can damn well bet he'd have been vilified unmercifully as a killer.

You made an interesting comment, so I have to ask, how hard core was your wife on vaccines and lockdowns?

I don't know how to answer that - what do you mean by hard core and how would you measure that? As for me, I was all for vaccines, but not mandates to get the vaccines (too new and too experimental - I got three shots myself but stopped having the kids get the shots after their initial two doses - certainly won't be getting them again anytime soon, especially for the kids). I was fine with the masking but once we got to the summer in 2020 and knew more I would've kept everything open with the caution to mask and distance where possible. I don't think extended lockdowns (lasting up to or more than a year) were necessary or helpful. And yes, we could've identified those the most at risk and targeted protecting them more while relaxing restrictions for others. That's what Trump could've done but he was too deep into the political fighting over all of this to actually lead on things.

[UNI88]

kalm's post that you said he was embarrassing himself was in response to ...

Ah. Thank you.

CH is way more correct than Klamala. Median IFR was 0.034%. That means 3.4 out of 10,000 people died from COVID. You know who that 3.4% was? They were the ones that on average had six comorbidities and were on an average of 12 medications. In essence, they were metabolic trainwrecks. Those that fear cold and flu season each year.

Protect them and let the rest of society function.

So you're not going to ignore the embarrassing idiocy of "Don’t even make it public"? Why? It was a stupid thing to post yet he gets a pass. Simply because of a shared ideology?

How exactly would you recommend we "protect the elderly and most vulnerable" as CH stated? Would you infringe upon their civil liberties by forcing them to stay home? Would you pay them? Deliver food and supplies to them? What about the ones in essential or important jobs?

It wasn't as simple of a situation as you MAQA yahoos like to pretend. There was a lot that we didn't know and caution was not a bad thing while hindsight is 20/20.

[UNI88]

Thank you for the answer and I'll be brief. There will never be a President that handles a pandemic properly. Too many people will always say the President isn't serious enough and is killing people.

Trump was on the right track with some of his advisors (Scott Atlas) but the media attacked them as well.

If Trump would have said, "fuck ya all, were staying open", you can damn well bet he'd have been vilified unmercifully as a killer.

You made an interesting comment, so I have to ask, how hard core was your wife on vaccines and lockdowns?

I don't know how to answer that - what do you mean by hard core and how would you measure that? As for me, I was all for vaccines, but not mandates to get the vaccines (too new and too experimental - I got three shots myself but stopped having the kids get the shots after their initial two doses - certainly won't be getting them again anytime soon, especially for the kids). I was fine with the masking but once we got to the summer in 2020 and knew more I would've kept everything open with the caution to mask and distance where possible. I don't think extended lockdowns (lasting up to or more than a year) were necessary or helpful. And yes, we could've identified those the most at risk and targeted protecting them more while relaxing restrictions for others. That's what Trump could've done but he was too deep into the political fighting over all of this to actually lead on things.

trump also could have directed the executive branch to help coordinate the production and distribution of PPE and other supplies to help make sure they got where they were most needed and to inhibit profiteering.

[Caribbean Hen]

Ah. Thank you.

CH is way more correct than Klamala. Median IFR was 0.034%. That means 3.4 out of 10,000 people died from COVID. You know who that 3.4% was? They were the ones that on average had six comorbidities and were on an average of 12 medications. In essence, they were metabolic trainwrecks. Those that fear cold and flu season each year.

Protect them and let the rest of society function.

So you're not going to ignore the embarrassing idiocy of "Don’t even make it public"? Why? It was a stupid thing to post yet he gets a pass. Simply because of a shared ideology?

How exactly would you recommend we "protect the elderly and most vulnerable" as CH stated? Would you infringe upon their civil liberties by forcing them to stay home? Would you pay them? Deliver food and supplies to them? What about the ones in essential or important jobs?

It wasn't as simple of a situation as you MAQA yahoos like to pretend. There was a lot that we didn't know and caution was not a bad thing while hindsight is 20/20.

Are you not even curious as to what would’ve happened if we would have just announced the most serious flu season is amongst us and just gone about our business?

Realize that the hysterical media really messed a lot of people up, maybe they would have been better off never hearing about the killer virus in the first place

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