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UNI88 wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2023 9:57 pm
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No. Ballots vs votes.

Dems got the mail in ballot down pat. Republicans still staring at their feet.
Stop whining. Both sides cheat. The impact is inconsequential. The 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2023 elections weren’t stolen. trump lost. MAGAt yahoo extremists lost. trump is a a loser and the majority of Americans are sick of him and MAGAt yahoo extremism.


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Did you read what I said? The Dems outwork the Reps and that's the issue. I want Reps to win, but when they don't put in the work, it's frustrating. It's obvious as shit and has been for years. You remember when the Dems in the conservative districts of California flipped something like 3 House strongholds due to ballot harvesting? The Reps got them back through ballot harvesting operations. You flood the zone with so many extra ballots, you'd be stupid not to gobble them up. Dems are masters, Reps are Mitt Fucking Romney.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:29 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2023 9:57 pm
Stop whining. Both sides cheat. The impact is inconsequential. The 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2023 elections weren’t stolen. trump lost. MAGAt yahoo extremists lost. trump is a a loser and the majority of Americans are sick of him and MAGAt yahoo extremism.

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Did you read what I said? The Dems outwork the Reps and that's the issue. I want Reps to win, but when they don't put in the work, it's frustrating. It's obvious as shit and has been for years. You remember when the Dems in the conservative districts of California flipped something like 3 House strongholds due to ballot harvesting? The Reps got them back through ballot harvesting operations. You flood the zone with so many extra ballots, you'd be stupid not to gobble them up. Dems are masters, Reps are Mitt Fucking Romney.
Mitt Fucking Romney would do better with moderate/independent voters than donald tiny hands trump. trump and candidates like Ramaswamy are boat anchors dragging the Republican Party down. They're the reason the party lost in 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2023 not Mitt Fucking Romney (or any other so called RINO) and not being outworked.

You can win a deep red seat in Alabama by being an obnoxious assh0le but you're going to struggle in competitive districts and states. It's why the red tsunami didn't happen. It cost the GOP control of the Senate and a larger majority of the House in 2022. It's costing them school boards and other local elections in 2023.

The GOP needs to nominate adults who will focus on the economy, immigration, national security, etc. and stop being obnoxious bullies and focusing on their own version of woke with abortion and book banning.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:49 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:29 pm

Did you read what I said? The Dems outwork the Reps and that's the issue. I want Reps to win, but when they don't put in the work, it's frustrating. It's obvious as shit and has been for years. You remember when the Dems in the conservative districts of California flipped something like 3 House strongholds due to ballot harvesting? The Reps got them back through ballot harvesting operations. You flood the zone with so many extra ballots, you'd be stupid not to gobble them up. Dems are masters, Reps are Mitt Fucking Romney.
Mitt Fucking Romney would do better with moderate/independent voters than donald tiny hands trump. trump and candidates like Ramaswamy are boat anchors dragging the Republican Party down. They're the reason the party lost in 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2023 not Mitt Fucking Romney (or any other so called RINO) and not being outworked.

You can win a deep red seat in Alabama by being an obnoxious assh0le but you're going to struggle in competitive districts and states. It's why the red tsunami didn't happen. It cost the GOP control of the Senate and a larger majority of the House in 2022. It's costing them school boards and other local elections in 2023.

The GOP needs to nominate adults who will focus on the economy, immigration, national security, etc. and stop being obnoxious bullies and focusing on their own version of woke with abortion and book banning.
The GOP needs to stop promoting candidates that are counter to culture and are also highly supported by special interests.

Your horseshit about adults is Bill Kristol esque.

I'm slamming you again here. You go into apoplexy at the mention of Trump, but he delivered a shit ton on your list.

Yes, Mitt Fucking Romney.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:42 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:49 pm

Mitt Fucking Romney would do better with moderate/independent voters than donald tiny hands trump. trump and candidates like Ramaswamy are boat anchors dragging the Republican Party down. They're the reason the party lost in 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2023 not Mitt Fucking Romney (or any other so called RINO) and not being outworked.

You can win a deep red seat in Alabama by being an obnoxious assh0le but you're going to struggle in competitive districts and states. It's why the red tsunami didn't happen. It cost the GOP control of the Senate and a larger majority of the House in 2022. It's costing them school boards and other local elections in 2023.

The GOP needs to nominate adults who will focus on the economy, immigration, national security, etc. and stop being obnoxious bullies and focusing on their own version of woke with abortion and book banning.
The GOP needs to stop promoting candidates that are counter to culture and are also highly supported by special interests.

Your horseshit about adults is Bill Kristol esque.

I'm slamming you again here. You go into apoplexy at the mention of Trump, but he delivered a shit ton on your list.

Yes, Mitt Fucking Romney.
You keep looking at it from your and other MAGAt yahoo extremists' perspective. You think that you represent the majority of Americans. You don't. If you did trump would have won in 2020. His candidates would have kicked butt in 2018, 2022 and 2023. He didn't and they didn't. The majority of Americans are sick of juvenile bullying and they've shown it at the ballot box in 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2023. Biden didn't get 81 million votes because he cheated. He got 81 million votes because people were sick of trump and his antics. trump's antics have only gotten worse since Biden kicked his ass (think about that, he got his ass kicked by an old man with dementia).

What did trump deliver on from my list?
  • The economy - it's cyclical and was going to come out of it's malaise regardless of who was POTUS. It wouldn't have been as robust if Hillary had won but it would have been 67-75% of what it was. trump's tax cuts were good for the economy in the short-term but we're going to regret them because of their impact on the deficit in the long term. Comparatively, your understanding of economics and business is less than JSO's junior high science fair prize when it comes to understanding virology.
  • Immigration - I'm not a xenophobic whackadoodle who wants to completely close the border. Immigration is good for this country but we need a secure border and a plan for immigration. I think most of America agrees with me.
  • National security - I like a lot of what trump did but we shouldn't be isolationists. Peace is good for trade which is good for America. We should be helping Ukraine and Israel.

Your slams are weak.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:19 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:42 pm

The GOP needs to stop promoting candidates that are counter to culture and are also highly supported by special interests.

Your horseshit about adults is Bill Kristol esque.

I'm slamming you again here. You go into apoplexy at the mention of Trump, but he delivered a shit ton on your list.

Yes, Mitt Fucking Romney.
You keep looking at it from your and other MAGAt yahoo extremists' perspective. You think that you represent the majority of Americans. You don't. If you did trump would have won in 2020. His candidates would have kicked butt in 2018, 2022 and 2023. He didn't and they didn't. The majority of Americans are sick of juvenile bullying and they've shown it at the ballot box in 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2023. Biden didn't get 81 million votes because he cheated. He got 81 million votes because people were sick of trump and his antics. trump's antics have only gotten worse since Biden kicked his ass (think about that, he got his ass kicked by an old man with dementia).

What did trump deliver on from my list?
  • The economy - it's cyclical and was going to come out of it's malaise regardless of who was POTUS. It wouldn't have been as robust if Hillary had won but it would have been 67-75% of what it was. trump's tax cuts were good for the economy in the short-term but we're going to regret them because of their impact on the deficit in the long term. Comparatively, your understanding of economics and business is less than JSO's junior high science fair prize when it comes to understanding virology.
  • Immigration - I'm not a xenophobic whackadoodle who wants to completely close the border. Immigration is good for this country but we need a secure border and a plan for immigration. I think most of America agrees with me.
  • National security - I like a lot of what trump did but we shouldn't be isolationists. Peace is good for trade which is good for America. We should be helping Ukraine and Israel.

Your slams are weak.
Who was the last Republican who delivered as much and with as much media bias (95% negative coverage)?

Your milquetoast stance is weak. Ivynatti 2. Going on a Bill Kristol cruise any time soon? Now that's a slam.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:08 am 'Trump won': 3rd GOP debate unlikely to change dynamic of primary race
Like the first two, it did little to suggest that frontrunner Donald Trump — who once again stayed away from the event — has much to worry about. While the five candidates onstage engaged in some substantive discussion, they did little to make the case that they deserved the nomination over the former president.
...
Haley’s strong answer on abortion ... “Nikki Haley has the best Republican answer on abortion,” Republican pollster Frank Luntz said in a social media post. “The @GOP would be stronger if they used her language.”
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Ramaswamy’s attacks grow stale ... He used that time to make a number of controversial statements, branding Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who is Jewish, a “Nazi” and vowing to build a border wall with Canada.
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DeSantis has (another) workmanlike night ... He made few mistakes but also had few standout moments that could convince voters — or donors — that he retains the promise of late 2022.
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Scott and Christie fade into the background
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The nomination remains Trump’s to lose ... And their unwillingness to attack him only deepened the sense that the GOP nomination is his to lose.
Losing in court is the only thing that can prevent trump from securing the nomination and I'm not sure even that will be enough to sway the gullible fools who have fallen hard for his con.
If the Democrats want to keep the White House they need to be running against Trump, otherwise its all about Biden's age, and rightly so.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:42 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:49 pm

Mitt Fucking Romney would do better with moderate/independent voters than donald tiny hands trump. trump and candidates like Ramaswamy are boat anchors dragging the Republican Party down. They're the reason the party lost in 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2023 not Mitt Fucking Romney (or any other so called RINO) and not being outworked.

You can win a deep red seat in Alabama by being an obnoxious assh0le but you're going to struggle in competitive districts and states. It's why the red tsunami didn't happen. It cost the GOP control of the Senate and a larger majority of the House in 2022. It's costing them school boards and other local elections in 2023.

The GOP needs to nominate adults who will focus on the economy, immigration, national security, etc. and stop being obnoxious bullies and focusing on their own version of woke with abortion and book banning.
The GOP needs to stop promoting candidates that are counter to culture and are also highly supported by special interests.

Your horseshit about adults is Bill Kristol esque.

I'm slamming you again here. You go into apoplexy at the mention of Trump, but he delivered a shit ton on your list.

Yes, Mitt Fucking Romney.

You just took it up the ass again in another election and its causing you to become shrill and bellicose.

Thanks to SCOTUS the Republicans are now the gold standard example of what it means to be hoist by their own petard....yeah baby, just overturn Roe v Wade and let the States decide... :rofl:
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houndawg wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:40 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:42 pm

The GOP needs to stop promoting candidates that are counter to culture and are also highly supported by special interests.

Your horseshit about adults is Bill Kristol esque.

I'm slamming you again here. You go into apoplexy at the mention of Trump, but he delivered a shit ton on your list.

Yes, Mitt Fucking Romney.

You just took it up the ass again in another election and its causing you to become shrill and bellicose.

Thanks to SCOTUS the Republicans are now the gold standard example of what it means to be hoist by their own petard....yeah baby, just overturn Roe v Wade and let the States decide... :rofl:
I took it up the ass in my local Washington election? What?

I'm busy sweet tits. I'll slap you around later.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:43 pm
houndawg wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:40 pm


You just took it up the ass again in another election and its causing you to become shrill and bellicose.

Thanks to SCOTUS the Republicans are now the gold standard example of what it means to be hoist by their own petard....yeah baby, just overturn Roe v Wade and let the States decide... :rofl:
I took it up the ass in my local Washington election? What?

I'm busy sweet tits. I'll slap you around later.
Your crowd just took it up the ass again in another election. Sorry, I didn't mean to type so fast.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:19 pm You keep looking at it from your and other MAGAt yahoo extremists' perspective. You think that you represent the majority of Americans. You don't. If you did trump would have won in 2020. His candidates would have kicked butt in 2018, 2022 and 2023. He didn't and they didn't. The majority of Americans are sick of juvenile bullying and they've shown it at the ballot box in 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2023. Biden didn't get 81 million votes because he cheated. He got 81 million votes because people were sick of trump and his antics. trump's antics have only gotten worse since Biden kicked his ass (think about that, he got his ass kicked by an old man with dementia).

What did trump deliver on from my list?
  • The economy - it's cyclical and was going to come out of it's malaise regardless of who was POTUS. It wouldn't have been as robust if Hillary had won but it would have been 67-75% of what it was. trump's tax cuts were good for the economy in the short-term but we're going to regret them because of their impact on the deficit in the long term. Comparatively, your understanding of economics and business is less than JSO's junior high science fair prize when it comes to understanding virology.
  • Immigration - I'm not a xenophobic whackadoodle who wants to completely close the border. Immigration is good for this country but we need a secure border and a plan for immigration. I think most of America agrees with me.
  • National security - I like a lot of what trump did but we shouldn't be isolationists. Peace is good for trade which is good for America. We should be helping Ukraine and Israel.

Your slams are weak.
Who was the last Republican who delivered as much and with as much media bias (95% negative coverage)?

Your milquetoast stance is weak. Ivynatti 2. Going on a Bill Kristol cruise any time soon? Now that's a slam.
Plenty of Presidents have delivered more than trump: Reagan, Clinton, Dubya (united the country after 9/11 before pissing it away almost as badly as trump did with Covid). Obama delivered his massive healthcare plan.

Nice “with as much media bias (95% negative coverage)” qualifier. The last time we had a President who had earned so much negative coverage was probably Hoover.

I’d rather go on a cruise with Kristol then that has been tucker.


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houndawg wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:49 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:43 pm

I took it up the ass in my local Washington election? What?

I'm busy sweet tits. I'll slap you around later.
Your crowd just took it up the ass again in another election. Sorry, I didn't mean to type so fast.
He’s a willing resident of the Great State of Washington. Worse…he lives in sociopinkomarxistcommie Western Washington.

It happens every election.

He might like it. :)
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Can’t vote in US elections but laughing in a sad way that the USA is slowly becoming a broke government dependent politically obsessed Puerto Rico but unfortunately, without the tradewinds, swaying palms and the Beautiful turquoise playas. So I’ll be staying right here

When I first arrived on this island 36 years ago, I noticed that everybody was really politically obsessed, winning the election meant everything to them. Why? Because they are totally dependent on the government right down to keeping their jobs because the Island is corrupt to the core, a true Banana Republic. Today, the USA is becoming just as corrupt as Puerto Rico. Therefore, if you’re going to live in a banana republic, you need to have the banana republic benefits.

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:43 am Can’t vote in US elections but laughing in a sad way that the USA is slowly becoming a broke government dependent politically obsessed Puerto Rico but unfortunately, without the tradewinds, swaying palms and the Beautiful turquoise playas. So I’ll be staying right here

When I first arrived on this island 36 years ago, I noticed that everybody was really politically obsessed, winning the election meant everything to them. Why? Because they are totally dependent on the government right down to keeping their jobs because the Island is corrupt to the core, a true Banana Republic. Today, the USA is becoming just as corrupt as Puerto Rico. Therefore, if you’re going to live in a banana republic, you need to have the banana republic benefits.

Good luck To y’all
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:06 pm
SeattleGriz wrote:
Who was the last Republican who delivered as much and with as much media bias (95% negative coverage)?

Your milquetoast stance is weak. Ivynatti 2. Going on a Bill Kristol cruise any time soon? Now that's a slam.
Plenty of Presidents have delivered more than trump: Reagan, Clinton, Dubya (united the country after 9/11 before pissing it away almost as badly as trump did with Covid). Obama delivered his massive healthcare plan.

Nice “with as much media bias (95% negative coverage)” qualifier. The last time we had a President who had earned so much negative coverage was probably Hoover.

I’d rather go on a cruise with Kristol then that has been tucker.


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He started with 95% negative coverage. Do you not understand how the mainstream media works?

Bill Clinton delivered conservative values?
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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:44 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:06 pm
Plenty of Presidents have delivered more than trump: Reagan, Clinton, Dubya (united the country after 9/11 before pissing it away almost as badly as trump did with Covid). Obama delivered his massive healthcare plan.

Nice “with as much media bias (95% negative coverage)” qualifier. The last time we had a President who had earned so much negative coverage was probably Hoover.

I’d rather go on a cruise with Kristol then that has been tucker.
He started with 95% negative coverage. Do you not understand how the mainstream media works?

Bill Clinton delivered conservative values?
I understand that the fault for trump's negative coverage isn't just with the mainstream media but also lies with trump himself.

Yes, Clinton delivered on quite a few "conservative values". He delivered on: economic growth, job creation, family income, unemployment, homeownership, fiscal improvement, largest surplus ever, largest 3 year debt pay-down, decreased federal spending (as a share of the economy). His results dwarf trump's.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:02 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:44 pm

He started with 95% negative coverage. Do you not understand how the mainstream media works?

Bill Clinton delivered conservative values?
I understand that the fault for trump's negative coverage isn't just with the mainstream media but also lies with trump himself.

Yes, Clinton delivered on quite a few "conservative values". He delivered on: economic growth, job creation, family income, unemployment, homeownership, fiscal improvement, largest surplus ever, largest 3 year debt pay-down, decreased federal spending (as a share of the economy). His results dwarf trump's.
He also invested in law enforcement and oversaw lawyer crime rates.
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RNC only cares about fundraising. They could care less about winning elections.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:02 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:44 pm

He started with 95% negative coverage. Do you not understand how the mainstream media works?

Bill Clinton delivered conservative values?
I understand that the fault for trump's negative coverage isn't just with the mainstream media but also lies with trump himself.

Yes, Clinton delivered on quite a few "conservative values". He delivered on: economic growth, job creation, family income, unemployment, homeownership, fiscal improvement, largest surplus ever, largest 3 year debt pay-down, decreased federal spending (as a share of the economy). His results dwarf trump's.
Horseshit. If the media was neutral, people would just ignore Trump like I do. Let his actions speak louder.

You sound just like the gals on The View. All talking points and no substance. A little above Hyundai.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:53 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:02 pm
I understand that the fault for trump's negative coverage isn't just with the mainstream media but also lies with trump himself.

Yes, Clinton delivered on quite a few "conservative values". He delivered on: economic growth, job creation, family income, unemployment, homeownership, fiscal improvement, largest surplus ever, largest 3 year debt pay-down, decreased federal spending (as a share of the economy). His results dwarf trump's.
Horseshit. If the media was neutral, people would just ignore Trump like I do. Let his actions speak louder.

You sound just like the gals on The View. All talking points and no substance. A little above Hyundai.
You sure spend a lot of time defending someone you're ignoring.

His actions (inciting a seditious riot, trying to seat fraudulent slates of electors, obstructing the return of classified documents, fraud, and rape) scream that he’s not qualified for office.
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:01 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:53 pm

Horseshit. If the media was neutral, people would just ignore Trump like I do. Let his actions speak louder.

You sound just like the gals on The View. All talking points and no substance. A little above Hyundai.
You sure spend a lot of time defending someone you're ignoring.

His actions (inciting a seditious riot, trying to seat fraudulent slates of electors, obstructing the return of classified documents, fraud, and rape) scream that he’s not qualified for office.
Don't you see the branding? Trump is going to retaliate and undermine democracy? He won't, but you'll repeat the narrative.

You've had multiple opportunities to state your thinking of Trump, the economy and grift, but you've pulled a Cleats. You've had no answer. I don't trust what you say, because you are led by narrative.
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:01 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:53 pm

Horseshit. If the media was neutral, people would just ignore Trump like I do. Let his actions speak louder.

You sound just like the gals on The View. All talking points and no substance. A little above Hyundai.
You sure spend a lot of time defending someone you're ignoring.

His actions (inciting a seditious riot, trying to seat fraudulent slates of electors, obstructing the return of classified documents, fraud, and rape) scream that he’s not qualified for office.
Hasn’t been found guilty of any of that..
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:01 pm You sure spend a lot of time defending someone you're ignoring.

His actions (inciting a seditious riot, trying to seat fraudulent slates of electors, obstructing the return of classified documents, fraud, and rape) scream that he’s not qualified for office.
Hasn’t been found guilty of any of that..
Except for fraud and defaming a woman he raped.

The others are a massive yet.


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UNI88 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:56 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Hasn’t been found guilty of any of that..
Except for fraud and defaming a woman he raped.

The others are a massive yet.


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I should have added he wasn’t charged seditious conspiracy.

Hasn’t been found guilty of raping a woman.

Fraud? Are you talking about the case with no victim, brought on by the NY AG, who’s campaign platform for NY AG was that she was going to ‘get Trump’
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:56 pm

Except for fraud and defaming a woman he raped.

The others are a massive yet.


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I should have added he wasn’t charged seditious conspiracy.

Hasn’t been found guilty of raping a woman.

Fraud? Are you talking about the case with no victim, brought on by the NY AG, who’s campaign platform for NY AG was that she was going to ‘get Trump’
Wasn’t he found guilty of sexual battery? The only reason he wasn’t found guilty of rape was because he used his fingers not his tiny little penis …
The only issue on which the jury did not find in Ms Carroll’s favour was whether she proved that Mr Trump ‘raped’ her within the narrow, technical meaning of that term in the New York penal law.

The jury … was instructed that it could find that Mr Trump ‘raped’ Ms Carroll only if it found that he forcibly penetrated Ms Carroll’s vagina with his penis.

It could not find that he ‘raped’ her if it determined that Mr Trump forcibly penetrated Ms Carroll’s private sexual parts with his fingers – which commonly is considered ‘rape’ in other contexts – because the New York penal law definition of rape is limited to penile penetration.
The NY law doesn’t require a victim. Or are you arguing that victimless crimes should be legal? Drug users, smugglers and more are with you and trump on that one.


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