The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

[SDHornet]

He has put the onus back on the Donks to explain to "Dreamers" why they turned down a deal that would have given them amnesty just to oppose a useless border wall.

I'm not sure that qualifies as an accomplishment. He's maintained the status quo.

Agree, nothing was done but it further exposes the donks for their lies claiming to be for immigration reform. Trump offered up amnesty for border wall funding, probably the most liberal offer they will get under a Conk. Donks turned it down...actually worse, they didn't even bother to negotiate on behalf of the illegal immigrants they claim to defend.

[Skjellyfetti]

Trump offered up amnesty for border wall funding, probably the most liberal offer they will get under a Conk. Donks turned it down...

Which are you talking about? There were 4 immigration compromises that failed this year.

The bill the White House backed failed due to 14 Republican Senators voting against it.

[CAA Flagship]

Jobs numbers again are solid. Unemployment down to 3.8%. Gap between that and U-6 continues to shrink.
#MAGA

[JohnStOnge]

Jobs numbers again are solid. Unemployment down to 3.8%. Gap between that and U-6 continues to shrink.
#MAGA

Yes trends that were well established prior to Trump getting elected and/or taking office continue. Here's a figure from http://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate:



If you go to the site and hover the cursor you can see that when the official unemployment rate peaked at 10% in October 2009 U-6 was at 17.1 percent so the gap was 7.1 percentage points. At the end of 2016 the official unemployment rate was at 4.7 percent while U-6 was at 9.1 percent so the gap had narrowed to 4.4 percentage points. May 2018 official unemployment was at 3.8 while U-6 was at 7.6 and the gap was at 3.8.

In other words, neither the trend towards lower unemployment rates nor the trend towards a narrowing gap between the official unemployment rate and U-6 started with Trump. Both started about 9 years ago. When it comes to the official unemployment rate about 5.3 of the 6.2 percentage point decline from the October, 2010, high came during the Obama Administration. When it comes to U-6 about 8 of the 9.5 percentage point decline did.

What about the rate of decline? I won't try to find monthly U-6 rates but you can see the official rates at https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000. If you do the math the average monthly percentage point decline from October 2010 through December 2016 was 0.06 percentage points while that from December 2016 through May, 2018 was 0.05 percentage points. I'm sure that's not a "significant" difference but there's no indication that the rate of decline increased in association with Trump taking office. And I'm confident you'd get the same picture if you looked that the U-6 rates.

The idea that unemployment is low right now because of Trump is absurd. He hasn't screwed it up. But he didn't cause it.

[JohnStOnge]

I'm not sure that qualifies as an accomplishment. He's maintained the status quo.

Agree, nothing was done but it further exposes the donks for their lies claiming to be for immigration reform. Trump offered up amnesty for border wall funding, probably the most liberal offer they will get under a Conk. Donks turned it down...actually worse, they didn't even bother to negotiate on behalf of the illegal immigrants they claim to defend.

See the article at http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.3769776.

The headline reads:

Dems offer to accept border wall in exchange for DACA deal — but GOP won’t budge

[CAA Flagship]

Jobs numbers again are solid. Unemployment down to 3.8%. Gap between that and U-6 continues to shrink.
#MAGA

Yes trends that were well established prior to Trump getting elected and/or taking office continue. Here's a figure from http://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate:



If you go to the site and hover the cursor you can see that when the official unemployment rate peaked at 10% in October 2009 U-6 was at 17.1 percent so the gap was 7.1 percentage points. At the end of 2016 the official unemployment rate was at 4.7 percent while U-6 was at 9.1 percent so the gap had narrowed to 4.4 percentage points. May 2018 official unemployment was at 3.8 while U-6 was at 7.6 and the gap was at 3.8.

In other words, neither the trend towards lower unemployment rates nor the trend towards a narrowing gap between the official unemployment rate and U-6 started with Trump. Both started about 9 years ago. When it comes to the official unemployment rate about 5.3 of the 6.2 percentage point decline from the October, 2010, high came during the Obama Administration. When it comes to U-6 about 8 of the 9.5 percentage point decline did.

What about the rate of decline? I won't try to find monthly U-6 rates but you can see the official rates at https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000. If you do the math the average monthly percentage point decline from October 2010 through December 2016 was 0.06 percentage points while that from December 2016 through May, 2018 was 0.05 percentage points. I'm sure that's not a "significant" difference but there's no indication that the rate of decline increased in association with Trump taking office. And I'm confident you'd get the same picture if you looked that the U-6 rates.

The idea that unemployment is low right now because of Trump is absurd. He hasn't screwed it up. But he didn't cause it.

Wrong again.
Let me know when you understand anything about the economy.

[CAA Flagship]

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[Ivytalk]

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MSNBC dipshits called Reagan-Carter an electoral landslide and had Nixon losing NH instead of MA in 1972.

[Chizzang]

[kalm]

Yes trends that were well established prior to Trump getting elected and/or taking office continue. Here's a figure from http://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate:



If you go to the site and hover the cursor you can see that when the official unemployment rate peaked at 10% in October 2009 U-6 was at 17.1 percent so the gap was 7.1 percentage points. At the end of 2016 the official unemployment rate was at 4.7 percent while U-6 was at 9.1 percent so the gap had narrowed to 4.4 percentage points. May 2018 official unemployment was at 3.8 while U-6 was at 7.6 and the gap was at 3.8.

In other words, neither the trend towards lower unemployment rates nor the trend towards a narrowing gap between the official unemployment rate and U-6 started with Trump. Both started about 9 years ago. When it comes to the official unemployment rate about 5.3 of the 6.2 percentage point decline from the October, 2010, high came during the Obama Administration. When it comes to U-6 about 8 of the 9.5 percentage point decline did.

What about the rate of decline? I won't try to find monthly U-6 rates but you can see the official rates at https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000. If you do the math the average monthly percentage point decline from October 2010 through December 2016 was 0.06 percentage points while that from December 2016 through May, 2018 was 0.05 percentage points. I'm sure that's not a "significant" difference but there's no indication that the rate of decline increased in association with Trump taking office. And I'm confident you'd get the same picture if you looked that the U-6 rates.

The idea that unemployment is low right now because of Trump is absurd. He hasn't screwed it up. But he didn't cause it.

Wrong again.
Let me know when you understand anything about the economy.

What about his post was wrong?

[SDHornet]

Trump offered up amnesty for border wall funding, probably the most liberal offer they will get under a Conk. Donks turned it down...

Which are you talking about? There were 4 immigration compromises that failed this year.

The bill the White House backed failed due to 14 Republican Senators voting against it.

The one where Dems that want to fix the border didn't bother to show up.

[SDHornet]

Agree, nothing was done but it further exposes the donks for their lies claiming to be for immigration reform. Trump offered up amnesty for border wall funding, probably the most liberal offer they will get under a Conk. Donks turned it down...actually worse, they didn't even bother to negotiate on behalf of the illegal immigrants they claim to defend.

See the article at http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.3769776.

The headline reads:

Dems offer to accept border wall in exchange for DACA deal — but GOP won’t budge

Of course you fail to point out the other items of immigration reform the D's wouldn't negotiate on, and that their strategy was to tie it to a gubmint shutdown.

[JohnStOnge]

Yes trends that were well established prior to Trump getting elected and/or taking office continue. Here's a figure from http://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate:



If you go to the site and hover the cursor you can see that when the official unemployment rate peaked at 10% in October 2009 U-6 was at 17.1 percent so the gap was 7.1 percentage points. At the end of 2016 the official unemployment rate was at 4.7 percent while U-6 was at 9.1 percent so the gap had narrowed to 4.4 percentage points. May 2018 official unemployment was at 3.8 while U-6 was at 7.6 and the gap was at 3.8.

In other words, neither the trend towards lower unemployment rates nor the trend towards a narrowing gap between the official unemployment rate and U-6 started with Trump. Both started about 9 years ago. When it comes to the official unemployment rate about 5.3 of the 6.2 percentage point decline from the October, 2010, high came during the Obama Administration. When it comes to U-6 about 8 of the 9.5 percentage point decline did.

What about the rate of decline? I won't try to find monthly U-6 rates but you can see the official rates at https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000. If you do the math the average monthly percentage point decline from October 2010 through December 2016 was 0.06 percentage points while that from December 2016 through May, 2018 was 0.05 percentage points. I'm sure that's not a "significant" difference but there's no indication that the rate of decline increased in association with Trump taking office. And I'm confident you'd get the same picture if you looked that the U-6 rates.

The idea that unemployment is low right now because of Trump is absurd. He hasn't screwed it up. But he didn't cause it.

Wrong again.
Let me know when you understand anything about the economy.

Nice try but you didn't rebut a single thing I referenced. That's because you can't. It is what it is. Both the declining trend in unemployment and the declining trend in the gap between the official unemployment rate and the U-6 rate started a long time before Trump took office. There is absolutely no indication that anything changed with respect to the trajectory of those things in association with Trump taking office.

Would you care to try to actually rebut any of that? Would you care to say that the declining trend in unemployment didn't start in 2010? Would you care to say that the trend in the gap between the official unemployment rate and the U-6 rate didn't start in 2010? Good luck. You can't really rebut either of those statements because both are truthful statements.

[JohnStOnge]

Of course you fail to point out the other items of immigration reform the D's wouldn't negotiate on,

Like what? Go ahead and list them so I can look into it.

[Skjellyfetti]

He got called out for being demonstrably wrong when he tried to be specific... I think he'll just stick to the nebulous "other items" going forward.

[JohnStOnge]

Look, this is what is going on: We have a charlatan in the White House. A guy who has been a con man his whole life. He is, with some success, trying to create the impression that things were just AWFUL and everything was going in the wrong direction then when HE got elected everything changed.

And that's nonsense. All of the economic trends were basically positive before he got elected. The unemployment rate had been going down. The stock market has been in "bull market" mode since 2009 (see https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/20 ... 395967002/). The current economic expansion as measured by GDP also began in 2009. ISIS was rapidly losing territory.

Trump likes to say he took over a mess and nothing could be further from the truth. He took over when everything was going in a positive direction. There's no "America was struggling and now America is Great Again" thing here.

But the con man in the White House is trying to convince you that there is. And some of you guys are clearly buying it.

[CAA Flagship]

Look, this is what is going on: We have a charlatan in the White House. A guy who has been a con man his whole life. He is, with some success, trying to create the impression that things were just AWFUL and everything was going in the wrong direction then when HE got elected everything changed.

And that's nonsense. All of the economic trends were basically positive before he got elected. The unemployment rate had been going down. The stock market has been in "bull market" mode since 2009 (see https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/20 ... 395967002/). The current economic expansion as measured by GDP also began in 2009.

Trump likes to say he took over a mess and nothing could be further from the truth. He took over when everything was going in a positive direction. There's no "America was struggling and now America is Great Again" thing here.

But the con man in the White House is trying to convince you that there is. And some of you guys are clearly buying it.

I have explained this to you many times before. Yes, the economy improved under Obama, but it was THE SLOWEST RECOVERY EVER. Do you understand? Despite low interest rates, the policies put in place had handcuffs on businesses (remember Obamacare?). Now interest rates are finally normalizing and if it wasn't for Trump's policies, we would be flattening in a rising interest rate environment. Instead, the economy is beginning to hum and getting closer to full throttle. We need construction to pick up and I think it will over the next few quarters. If new housing starts can jump, the economy will be cooking because of all the jobs related to new houses both on the material/supply side and the finishing/installation side (construction, appliances, landscaping, painters, flooring, windows, roof shingles, fixtures, etc.).

I grade Obama favorably on stabilizing the economy in his first 2-3 years. But he gets an "F" for his last 5-6 years for sitting there with his thumb up his ass. He was given every tool in the shed but coudn't manage to attain strong economic numbers, and as the economic leader in the world, many other countries couldn't get going either.

[JohnStOnge]

Look, this is what is going on: We have a charlatan in the White House. A guy who has been a con man his whole life. He is, with some success, trying to create the impression that things were just AWFUL and everything was going in the wrong direction then when HE got elected everything changed.

And that's nonsense. All of the economic trends were basically positive before he got elected. The unemployment rate had been going down. The stock market has been in "bull market" mode since 2009 (see https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/20 ... 395967002/). The current economic expansion as measured by GDP also began in 2009.

Trump likes to say he took over a mess and nothing could be further from the truth. He took over when everything was going in a positive direction. There's no "America was struggling and now America is Great Again" thing here.

But the con man in the White House is trying to convince you that there is. And some of you guys are clearly buying it.

I have explained this to you many times before. Yes, the economy improved under Obama, but it was THE SLOWEST RECOVERY EVER. Do you understand? Despite low interest rates, the policies put in place had handcuffs on businesses (remember Obamacare?). Now interest rates are finally normalizing and if it wasn't for Trump's policies, we would be flattening in a rising interest rate environment. Instead, the economy is beginning to hum and getting closer to full throttle. We need construction to pick up and I think it will over the next few quarters. If new housing starts can jump, the economy will be cooking because of all the jobs related to new houses both on the material/supply side and the finishing/installation side (construction, appliances, landscaping, painters, flooring, windows, roof shingles, fixtures, etc.).

I grade Obama favorably on stabilizing the economy in his first 2-3 years. But he gets an "F" for his last 5-6 years for sitting there with his thumb up his ass. He was given every tool in the shed but coudn't manage to attain strong economic numbers, and as the economic leader in the world, many other countries couldn't get going either.

The question isn't whether or not the current recovery is slow. It's whether the estimates indicate anything changed with Trump taking office. Here is a graph of annual real GDP growth from https://www.statista.com/statistics/188 ... ince-1990/:



There's no indication there that things changed when Trump took office. Yes, 2017 was higher than 2016. But it was well within the range of variation since the "great recession." The growth rate for 2017 was 4th among the 8 years following the big dip in 2009.

You can also look at it quarterly. Here's a graph of that from https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/glance.htm:



I don't think that shows any big "upswing" from the pattern. In fact, I think the first five quarters indicated on the graph were on balance better than the last five quarters that are the quarters since Trump took office.

There just isn't any indication of the con Trump and his people are trying to establish. There is no support for believing that things were awful then all of a sudden they improved dramatically and things are "great again" now that Trump is in office.

[JohnStOnge]

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He clearly had too much faith in the American People. Early on I thought that Trump, if nominated, would lose in a landslide as well. That's because I had too much faith in the integrity of White Evangelical Christians. Maintaining support among an overwhelming majority of White Evangelical Christians is at least as important to Republicans as maintaining overwhelming support among Blacks is to Democrats. And I didn't think there was any way White Evangelical Christians would support a moral atrocity like Trump.

As the situation developed I could see that White Evangelical Christians were going to throw principle to the wind and support Trump.

[CID1990]

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He clearly had too much faith in the American People. Early on I thought that Trump, if nominated, would lose in a landslide as well. That's because I had too much faith in the integrity of White Evangelical Christians. Maintaining support among an overwhelming majority of White Evangelical Christians is at least as important to Republicans as maintaining overwhelming support among Blacks is to Democrats. And I didn't think there was any way White Evangelical Christians would support a moral atrocity like Trump.

As the situation developed I could see that White Evangelical Christians were going to throw principle to the wind and support Trump.

Turns out economic concerns are more powerful than God, I guess

[AZGrizFan]

I have explained this to you many times before. Yes, the economy improved under Obama, but it was THE SLOWEST RECOVERY EVER. Do you understand? Despite low interest rates, the policies put in place had handcuffs on businesses (remember Obamacare?). Now interest rates are finally normalizing and if it wasn't for Trump's policies, we would be flattening in a rising interest rate environment. Instead, the economy is beginning to hum and getting closer to full throttle. We need construction to pick up and I think it will over the next few quarters. If new housing starts can jump, the economy will be cooking because of all the jobs related to new houses both on the material/supply side and the finishing/installation side (construction, appliances, landscaping, painters, flooring, windows, roof shingles, fixtures, etc.).

I grade Obama favorably on stabilizing the economy in his first 2-3 years. But he gets an "F" for his last 5-6 years for sitting there with his thumb up his ass. He was given every tool in the shed but coudn't manage to attain strong economic numbers, and as the economic leader in the world, many other countries couldn't get going either.

The question isn't whether or not the current recovery is slow. It's whether the estimates indicate anything changed with Trump taking office. Here is a graph of annual real GDP growth from https://www.statista.com/statistics/188 ... ince-1990/:



There's no indication there that things changed when Trump took office. Yes, 2017 was higher than 2016. But it was well within the range of variation since the "great recession." The growth rate for 2017 was 4th among the 8 years following the big dip in 2009.

You can also look at it quarterly. Here's a graph of that from https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/glance.htm:



I don't think that shows any big "upswing" from the pattern. In fact, I think the first five quarters indicated on the graph were on balance better than the last five quarters that are the quarters since Trump took office.

There just isn't any indication of the con Trump and his people are trying to establish. There is no support for believing that things were awful then all of a sudden they improved dramatically and things are "great again" now that Trump is in office.

And three of Trumps 5 quarters are higher than 8 of the 9 previous quarters heading into his presidency.

[CAA Flagship]

I have explained this to you many times before. Yes, the economy improved under Obama, but it was THE SLOWEST RECOVERY EVER. Do you understand? Despite low interest rates, the policies put in place had handcuffs on businesses (remember Obamacare?). Now interest rates are finally normalizing and if it wasn't for Trump's policies, we would be flattening in a rising interest rate environment. Instead, the economy is beginning to hum and getting closer to full throttle. We need construction to pick up and I think it will over the next few quarters. If new housing starts can jump, the economy will be cooking because of all the jobs related to new houses both on the material/supply side and the finishing/installation side (construction, appliances, landscaping, painters, flooring, windows, roof shingles, fixtures, etc.).

I grade Obama favorably on stabilizing the economy in his first 2-3 years. But he gets an "F" for his last 5-6 years for sitting there with his thumb up his ass. He was given every tool in the shed but coudn't manage to attain strong economic numbers, and as the economic leader in the world, many other countries couldn't get going either.

The question isn't whether or not the current recovery is slow. It's whether the estimates indicate anything changed with Trump taking office. Here is a graph of annual real GDP growth from https://www.statista.com/statistics/188 ... ince-1990/:



There's no indication there that things changed when Trump took office. Yes, 2017 was higher than 2016. But it was well within the range of variation since the "great recession." The growth rate for 2017 was 4th among the 8 years following the big dip in 2009.

You can also look at it quarterly. Here's a graph of that from https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/glance.htm:



I don't think that shows any big "upswing" from the pattern. In fact, I think the first five quarters indicated on the graph were on balance better than the last five quarters that are the quarters since Trump took office.

There just isn't any indication of the con Trump and his people are trying to establish. There is no support for believing that things were awful then all of a sudden they improved dramatically and things are "great again" now that Trump is in office.

How long do you think economic policy changes take to affect the economy? 2 days? 5 days?
Much of that is years down the road. Repatriation of cash will take a while to work it's way through several transfers within the economy. De-regulation will take a bit of time for companies to alter business practices, and a little longer before it shows up in the economy. And it's only been since February since most Americans began seeing the benefits of the tax cuts. But like a child, you want immediate results?

[Ivytalk]

Watching JSO attempt to joust with Flaggy and AZ about economics is like watching a slow-mo replay of Pickett's Charge.

[CAA Flagship]

Watching JSO attempt to joust with Flaggy and AZ about economics is like watching a slow-mo replay of Pickett's Charge.

[kalm]

Watching JSO attempt to joust with Flaggy and AZ about economics is like watching a slow-mo replay of Pickett's Charge.

You disagree with JSO’s point?