Common Sense Gun Control

[JohnStOnge]

The Buffalo shooting weapon was a legal gun that was illegally modified.

I don't know how you could prevent that, but I don't think its a good counter-argument to my proposal either.

It was illegally modified but it was a certain type of gun to begin with. You can see a description of what happened at https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/b ... -rcna29709. An "AR-15" type rifle is legal in New York as long as it has a "magazine lock." But he illegally modified what he got by removing the magazine lock.

All you'd have to do is just say an "AR-15" type rifle is illegal magazine lock or no magazine lock. Just don't allow the manufacture, sale, or possession of that kind of weapon, period.

Not saying that would absolutely eliminate such weapons. But it could certainly make them more difficult to obtain.

BTW, there was indeed a statistically significant increase in "mass shooting deaths" as such things are defined after the "assault weapons" ban expired. I just checked on that.

[kalm]

Yes they are. And with metal detectors and a whole transportation security apparatus behind them. Should we found the ESA (Education Security Administration). Or enshrine the teachers in safe rooms to teach from?

We already have a Dept of Education. Howsabout they make themselves useful for a change? Because right now they’re just a black hole that we pour money into.

Z…fuck the DOE.

Also Z…arm the DOE? I’m listening…

[JohnStOnge]

Now for why I came here tonight.

It's an interesting situation. A few years back I looked at the question of whether more privately owned guns means more homicides. I looked at gun ownership rate vs. homicide rate by State in the US and I looked at it by country. There is not sufficient evidence to say gun ownership rate means higher homicide rate.

I'm talking total homicide rate. I think that is important because there is a question as to whether, if guns are not available, people will just find other ways to kill. I did look at both gun homicide rates and total homicide rates for developed countries as such are defined by the UN. There WAS a highly significant correlation between gun ownership rate and GUN homicide rate among developed nations. But there was NOT a significant correlation between TOTAL homicide rate and gun ownership rate.

Nevertheless, I think guns...and specifically certain types of guns...are a factor in things like this Uvalde school shooting thing. There was a highly significant increase in mass shooting fatalities after the "assault weapons" ban was lifted.

Gun rights advocates need to just admit that allowing people to buy weapons like that increases the risk of this sort of thing and go from there.

[Gil Dobie]

Pilots cabins are now saferooms.

Yes they are. And with metal detectors and a whole transportation security apparatus behind them. Should we found the ESA (Education Security Administration). Or enshrine the teachers in safe rooms to teach from?

Metal detectors and secure entrance for sure. Have to do that for any sports event.

[BDKJMU]

Do what the Iraelis do.
https://news.yahoo.com/texas-school-sho ... 28907.html

[BDKJMU]

Harris (and every other donk pol) saying we need to ban ‘assault weapons’ (ie modern sporting rifles, ‘MSRs’ that look black and scary to the left, true assault weapons are already banned) have just sold hundreds of thousands more of them. Gun, ammo, magazine sales through the roof.

Every time we have one of these shootings donks talk about ‘common sense gun control’, gun bans, bans on mags more than 10 rounds, etc, gun, ammo, and mag sales spike..

[houndawg]

Densedawg along with the rest of the lefttards continue to focus on the guns. Well, 70s and prior most people bought guns without background checks. Until the 90s, in most rural areas of the country, kids drive to schools with rifles & shotguns in their vehicles, parked in school parking lots, to go hunting afterwards. AZ talked about this earlier. Yet before Columbine, we didn’t have these mass school shootings. So guns clearly aren’t the issue. So something has changed with kids in tbe last 25 years or so. What is it?

BDMBFK and his half-witted jabbering.... 1 August 1966. Charles Whitman, University of Texas . So I guess even using your own criteria, guns are the problem. (The purpose of my proposal is to lower the death count per incident. )

Hey, dipshit, I was one of those kids Z desrcibed in his oratorical queef-fest so you aren't telling me anything other than that your knowledge of the era is second-hand.

This shit was completely predictible and in fact was predicted in at least one book in 1968 when John Brunner wrote Stand on Zanzibar using the population growth curve and the results of Calhoun's experiments about crowding with rats to predict the world of 2010. He missed wildly on things like the personal computer but he was bang on about the increase in random violence by people lashing out at total strangers. Thats why I keep advocating buying land; and in the future how much space you have is going to be a more accurate indicator of your wealth than money.

[BDKJMU]

Densedawg along with the rest of the lefttards continue to focus on the guns. Well, 70s and prior most people bought guns without background checks. Until the 90s, in most rural areas of the country, kids drive to schools with rifles & shotguns in their vehicles, parked in school parking lots, to go hunting afterwards. AZ talked about this earlier. Yet before Columbine, we didn’t have these mass school shootings. So guns clearly aren’t the issue. So something has changed with kids in tbe last 25 years or so. What is it?

BDMBFK and his half-witted jabbering.... 1 August 1966. Charles Whitman, University of Texas . So I guess even using your own criteria, guns are the problem. (The purpose of my proposal is to lower the death count per incident. )

Hey, dipshit, I was one of those kids Z desrcibed in his oratorical queef-fest so you aren't telling me anything other than that your knowledge of the era is second-hand.

This shit was completely predictible and in fact was predicted in at least one book in 1968 when John Brunner wrote Stand on Zanzibar using the population growth curve and the results of Calhoun's experiments about crowding with rats to predict the world of 2010. He missed wildly on things like the personal computer but he was bang on about the increase in random violence by people lashing out at total strangers. Thats why I keep advocating buying land; and in the future how much space you have is going to be a more accurate indicator of your wealth than money.

Hey dumbass, reading is fundamental. I said prior to Columbine, we didn’t have these mass school shootings. And that is correct.

[houndawg]

We already have a Dept of Education. Howsabout they make themselves useful for a change? Because right now they’re just a black hole that we pour money into.

Z…fuck the DOE.

Also Z…arm the DOE? I’m listening…

Yeah, lets arm the left-wing, union, COMSYMPs that we don't even trust to teach history or choose school books .... you gotta be some kind of desperate to come up with that bullshit, even if you're Z-man.

[houndawg]

BDMBFK and his half-witted jabbering.... 1 August 1966. Charles Whitman, University of Texas . So I guess even using your own criteria, guns are the problem. (The purpose of my proposal is to lower the death count per incident. )

Hey, dipshit, I was one of those kids Z desrcibed in his oratorical queef-fest so you aren't telling me anything other than that your knowledge of the era is second-hand.

This shit was completely predictible and in fact was predicted in at least one book in 1968 when John Brunner wrote Stand on Zanzibar using the population growth curve and the results of Calhoun's experiments about crowding with rats to predict the world of 2010. He missed wildly on things like the personal computer but he was bang on about the increase in random violence by people lashing out at total strangers. Thats why I keep advocating buying land; and in the future how much space you have is going to be a more accurate indicator of your wealth than money.

Hey dumbass, reading is fundamental. I said prior to Columbine, we didn’t have these mass school shootings. And that is correct.

Seriously? Man this is just like back in the day when you were my regular bitch

Dude there were dozens of mass shootings before Columbine going back at least to the 1920s - just because they didn't always happen at a school doesn't mean they weren't happening. I see you're up early today to get a start on moving those goal posts.

[houndawg]

I don't know how you could prevent that, but I don't think its a good counter-argument to my proposal either.

It was illegally modified but it was a certain type of gun to begin with. You can see a description of what happened at https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/b ... -rcna29709. An "AR-15" type rifle is legal in New York as long as it has a "magazine lock." But he illegally modified what he got by removing the magazine lock.

All you'd have to do is just say an "AR-15" type rifle is illegal magazine lock or no magazine lock. Just don't allow the manufacture, sale, or possession of that kind of weapon, period.

Not saying that would absolutely eliminate such weapons. But it could certainly make them more difficult to obtain.

BTW, there was indeed a statistically significant increase in "mass shooting deaths" as such things are defined after the "assault weapons" ban expired. I just checked on that.

You don't have to go that far if you just move semi-auto guns with detachable magazines into the same BATF category as machine guns. You can own them but you have to be licensed and bonded and insured and fingerprinted and have a thorough background investigation and cough up the fees.
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[BDKJMU]

Hey dumbass, reading is fundamental. I said prior to Columbine, we didn’t have these mass school shootings. And that is correct.

Seriously? Man this is just like back in the day when you were my regular bitch

Dude there were dozens of mass shootings before Columbine going back at least to the 1920s - just because they didn't always happen at a school doesn't mean they weren't happening. I see you're up early today to get a start on moving those goal posts.

Again reading is fundamental here- we are talking school shootings. Try and keep up.

And those doz of shootings occurred before the mass proliferation of the ‘assault weapons’ ie scary looking black MSRs. So banning them wouldn’t make any difference. Thanks for proving my point!

[Col Hogan]

We already have a Dept of Education. Howsabout they make themselves useful for a change? Because right now they’re just a black hole that we pour money into.

Z…fuck the DOE.

Also Z…arm the DOE? I’m listening…

The Department of Education already has an armed LE force…not big enough to protect schools, but big enough to protect the big guys in DC

Department of Education (DOE) – The DOE is armed and ready with 88 law enforcement officers possessing arrest and firearm authority. They’ve purchased buckshot for their shotguns and 40-caliber ammunition for their Glocks. DOE special agents dress in body armor. Their spending on guns, ammunition and military-style equipment was up 25 percent during the last two years under the Obama Administration. Yet, in 2016, it took a pair of armed U.S. Marshals to arrest a man for his unpaid $1,500 student loan!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrze ... fc102464a1

[BDKJMU]

Densedawg along with the rest of the lefttards continue to focus on the guns. Well, 70s and prior most people bought guns without background checks. Until the 90s, in most rural areas of the country, kids drive to schools with rifles & shotguns in their vehicles, parked in school parking lots, to go hunting afterwards. AZ talked about this earlier. Yet before Columbine, we didn’t have these mass school shootings. So guns clearly aren’t the issue. So something has changed with kids in tbe last 25 years or so. What is it?

BDMBFK and his half-witted jabbering.... 1 August 1966. Charles Whitman, University of Texas . So I guess even using your own criteria, guns are the problem. (The purpose of my proposal is to lower the death count per incident. )

And Whitman killed 16, and wounded 31, with
-a machete
-a shotgun
-a Remington 700 bolt action rifle
-a pump rifle
He also had an M1 carbine and a few handguns.

So your proposal wouldn’t do jack squat. What are you going to advocate next, banning the above?

[houndawg]

Seriously? Man this is just like back in the day when you were my regular bitch

Dude there were dozens of mass shootings before Columbine going back at least to the 1920s - just because they didn't always happen at a school doesn't mean they weren't happening. I see you're up early today to get a start on moving those goal posts.

Again reading is fundamental here- we are talking school shootings. Try and keep up.

And those doz of shootings occurred before the mass proliferation of the ‘assault weapons’ ie scary looking black MSRs. So banning them wouldn’t make any difference. Thanks for proving my point!

First documented school shooting occured in 1840. Hundreds of times since then, and the info is readily available so I'd say that whoever reads to you isn't giving you your money's worth.

Were death tolls lower back in the day? Yes

Were assault rifles readily available to the general public? No. Thanks for proving my point about restricting assault weapons lowering the body count per shooting, of course if you'd looked in to the stats during 10 year ban on assault rifles you'd already know that.

As much time as you've spent here being my bitch I would have thought that some of it would have soaked in by now.

[houndawg]

BDMBFK and his half-witted jabbering.... 1 August 1966. Charles Whitman, University of Texas . So I guess even using your own criteria, guns are the problem. (The purpose of my proposal is to lower the death count per incident. )

And Whitman killed 16, and wounded 31, with
-a machete
-a shotgun
-a Remington 700 bolt action rifle
-a pump rifle
He also had an M1 carbine and a few handguns.

So your proposal wouldn’t do jack squat. What are you going to advocate next, banning the above?

It wouldn't have done jack squat at that incident? Prove it.

To really know you'd have to have him repeat the event with an AR and several 30 round clips. I know you're giving it your best effort, but you remain my bitch here.

Pro tip: don't set your goal posts in concrete when you know you're just going to have to move them again.

[houndawg]

Now for why I came here tonight.

It's an interesting situation. A few years back I looked at the question of whether more privately owned guns means more homicides. I looked at gun ownership rate vs. homicide rate by State in the US and I looked at it by country. There is not sufficient evidence to say gun ownership rate means higher homicide rate.

I'm talking total homicide rate. I think that is important because there is a question as to whether, if guns are not available, people will just find other ways to kill. I did look at both gun homicide rates and total homicide rates for developed countries as such are defined by the UN. There WAS a highly significant correlation between gun ownership rate and GUN homicide rate among developed nations. But there was NOT a significant correlation between TOTAL homicide rate and gun ownership rate.

Nevertheless, I think guns...and specifically certain types of guns...are a factor in things like this Uvalde school shooting thing. There was a highly significant increase in mass shooting fatalities after the "assault weapons" ban was lifted.

Gun rights advocates need to just admit that allowing people to buy weapons like that increases the risk of this sort of thing and go from there.

Hey buddy, BDMBSQT is my bitch, you keep your hands off him!

He's sensitive

[houndawg]

Densedawg along with the rest of the lefttards continue to focus on the guns. Well, 70s and prior most people bought guns without background checks. Until the 90s, in most rural areas of the country, kids drive to schools with rifles & shotguns in their vehicles, parked in school parking lots, to go hunting afterwards. AZ talked about this earlier.Yet before Columbine, we didn’t have these mass school shootings. So guns clearly aren’t the issue. So something has changed with kids in tbe last 25 years or so. What is it?

Its like yo're compelled by an outside force to be full of shit...

1) We did have mass shootings at schools before Columbine. Matter of public record

2) Guns clearly are a huge part of the issue since at least 1840 when a law student shot a law professor

3) Since students have been shooting teachers/other students for at least 180 years your claim that its the students that have changed is clearly erroneous.

In short, guns are what has changed since the first of thousands of school shootings occured in 1840.

Thats why we need to pass Progressive Gun Control

BDMSQT

[Gil Dobie]

I don't know how you could prevent that, but I don't think its a good counter-argument to my proposal either.

It was illegally modified but it was a certain type of gun to begin with. You can see a description of what happened at https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/b ... -rcna29709. An "AR-15" type rifle is legal in New York as long as it has a "magazine lock." But he illegally modified what he got by removing the magazine lock.

All you'd have to do is just say an "AR-15" type rifle is illegal magazine lock or no magazine lock. Just don't allow the manufacture, sale, or possession of that kind of weapon, period.

Not saying that would absolutely eliminate such weapons. But it could certainly make them more difficult to obtain.

BTW, there was indeed a statistically significant increase in "mass shooting deaths" as such things are defined after the "assault weapons" ban expired. I just checked on that.

My point was that the perp didn't care about the law. If we secure the schools, the perps will have less chance from entering a school and less casualties. Even if they ban semi-automatic weapons, the perps will continue to enter schools and kill. Will the government keep banning weapons, until we are using plastic spoons and butter knives to eat with?

[kalm]

It was illegally modified but it was a certain type of gun to begin with. You can see a description of what happened at https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/b ... -rcna29709. An "AR-15" type rifle is legal in New York as long as it has a "magazine lock." But he illegally modified what he got by removing the magazine lock.

All you'd have to do is just say an "AR-15" type rifle is illegal magazine lock or no magazine lock. Just don't allow the manufacture, sale, or possession of that kind of weapon, period.

Not saying that would absolutely eliminate such weapons. But it could certainly make them more difficult to obtain.

BTW, there was indeed a statistically significant increase in "mass shooting deaths" as such things are defined after the "assault weapons" ban expired. I just checked on that.

You don't have to go that far if you just move semi-auto guns with detachable magazines into the same BATF category as machine guns. You can own them but you have to be licensed and bonded and insured and fingerprinted and have a thorough background investigation and cough up the fees.
.

^ this seems reasonable. It may not end gun violence but it will reduce the carnage.

Btw, 6 wounded, 2 critically in Chatty Saturday night. Hardly news worthy.

[BDKJMU]

Densedawg along with the rest of the lefttards continue to focus on the guns. Well, 70s and prior most people bought guns without background checks. Until the 90s, in most rural areas of the country, kids drive to schools with rifles & shotguns in their vehicles, parked in school parking lots, to go hunting afterwards. AZ talked about this earlier.Yet before Columbine, we didn’t have these mass school shootings. So guns clearly aren’t the issue. So something has changed with kids in tbe last 25 years or so. What is it?

Its like yo're compelled by an outside force to be full of shit...

1) We did have mass shootings at schools before Columbine. Matter of public record

2) Guns clearly are a huge part of the issue since at least 1840 when a law student shot a law professor

3) Since students have been shooting teachers/other students for at least 180 years your claim that its the students that have changed is clearly erroneous.

In short, guns are what has changed since the first of thousands of school shootings occured in 1840.

Thats why we need to pass Progressive Gun Control

BDMSQT

8 of the top 9 in deaths since columbine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... death_toll

We’ve had semi autos with detachable mags for decades before before Columbine.

So it clearly isn’t the guns when it comes to the rate of mass shootings that we didn’t have before Clumbine.

And you think students haven’t changed? Dementiadawg

[Winterborn]

Banning black rifles or limiting capacity in magazines will not fix a mental health issue (some of you all really need to look at the FBI data following certain periods in which regulations were enacted or expired (CA, NY, etc.)). So it boils down to this, repeal/amend the 2nd Amendment or "fill in the blank". And I truly hope the SC opens up universal CCW permits for all 50 states with the latest ruling.

Furthermore, I then discussed the distribution of firearms homicides in the US as detailed in FBI data. In 2020, the the US had 17,813 homicides, the vast majority by firearms of one type or another. However, only 455 of those homicides were committed by rifles (which would include all “assault rifles” too) and another 203 by shotguns, which combine up for 658 homicides by long-barrel firearms. In the same year, 662 homicides were conducted with “personal weapons” — hands, fists, feet, and so on, and 1,739 were committed by knives or cutting instruments.

Most homicides are committed with handguns (8,029), not rifles, a phenomenon which is remarkably consistent every year. Another 5,000 cases involve firearms where the weapons are not specified, which is also pretty consistent year on year. It’s highly likely that the distribution of firearms involved mirrors the very large sample of identified firearm types in the same data. Why? Because handguns are easier to conceal, easier to handle, and easier to master.

When we finished the conversation, my friends were angry — not with me, but with the media for misleading them on what the AR-15 is and how it impacts crime in the US. This Acosta gotcha performance is exactly what they’re talking about.

Anyway, Journey’s correct about the problem in mass shootings. It’s a mental health issue and a failure to deal with malevolent actors before they commit dramatic massacres. It’s a lot easier and cheaper for politicians to fulminate about “assault weapons bans” that didn’t work in the past and won’t work now. It’s easier for hack reporters to do the same.

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2022/05 ... ay-n472843

[Col Hogan]

I’m glad our President is so well informed about weapons during this period…

[BDKJMU]

The death toll in these shootings can be reduced by ordering the BATF to put semi-auto weapons with removable magazines into the same category as machine guns - the owner must be bonded, insured, pass a proctological background check, and cough up for the permit. Mandatory 15 years if you're caught without.

And how about some recognition for the brave chidren out there who lay down their lives on a daily basis to protect second amendment rights of those unfit for militia service?

400-600 million privately owned firearms in the US, depending on who’s #s.
Probably a plurality (no one knows for sure) 300+ million semi auto with removeable magazines. That includes semi auto handguns (which is most handguns), virtually all MSRs, some shotguns and some milsurps.
Not with removeable mags: revolvers, most shotguns, bolt and pump action hunting rifles, most milsurps.

So you would try to impose draconian, burdensome, costly regs on most law abiding gun owners. 1st of all unconstitutional beacuse ‘shall not be infringed’.

2ndly, it couldn’t be applied to those 300 million (ball park) already legally purchased and possessed, because again of this pesky thing called the Constitution.

And even if it could, tens of millions of law abiding gun owners, and much of law enforcement would not comply. Good luck to blue states, and the ATF under donk admin trying to enforce that. Red states wouldn’t. Swamp the system. And a conk admin would simply have it not emforced.

3rdly, as GF already pointed out, it would disproportionately effect lower income, poor, and minorities. So you propose an elitist, racist plan. Not surprising.

4thly, trusting the ATF to implement a plan like this, lol. Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a govt agency

Lastly, Biden, or any donk admin, couldn’t order that. It would have to be passed by Congress. Which meams 60 votes in the Senate. Heck, I bet they’d struggle to top votes for a proposal as nutty as yours, or anything similar, . So your proposal, or anything similar, has ZERO chance of becoming law in our lifetimes.

[BDKJMU]

I’m glad our President is so well informed about weapons during this period…

Joe ‘Get your shotgun and shoot them in the leg’ Biden..