Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

[89Hen]

And there is no center lane.

Kalm and Gannon are hogging it.

kalm is only in the middle compared to Jelly or hounddouche.

[Grizalltheway]

Kalm and Gannon are hogging it.

kalm is only in the middle compared to Jelly or hounddouche.

Kalm is George Will compared to most Washingtonians.

[JohnStOnge]

Ok. Just did all I can directly do. Early voted and, for the first time in my 58 year life, voted for the Democrat candidate for President. Also voted for the Libertarian candidates for House and Senate. Not voting for any Republican who has not affirmatively denounced Trump and none of my Republican alternatives have had the integrity to do that.

My vote for Clinton was almost certainly pointless because of the State I'm in. But what the heck. House and Senate are different. Republicans have always gotten my vote in the past. This time it ain't happening because they have aligned themselves with an atrocity. If the runoffs involve Republican vs. Democrat I'm voting Democrat.

[JohnStOnge]

BTW guys, none of what you've written on the question of whether or not HIllary lied about her e mails substantiates the allegation that she lied when she said she didn't send or receive any classified information.

Damn, you are dense. From Comey:

From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.

The FBI also discovered several thousand work-related e-mails that were not in the group of 30,000 that were returned by Secretary Clinton to State in 2014. We found those additional e-mails in a variety of ways. Some had been deleted over the years and we found traces of them on devices that supported or were connected to the private e-mail domain. Others we found by reviewing the archived government e-mail accounts of people who had been government employees at the same time as Secretary Clinton, including high-ranking officials at other agencies, people with whom a Secretary of State might naturally correspond.

This helped us recover work-related e-mails that were not among the 30,000 produced to State. Still others we recovered from the laborious review of the millions of e-mail fragments dumped into the slack space of the server decommissioned in 2013.

With respect to the thousands of e-mails we found that were not among those produced to State, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received, one at the Secret level and two at the Confidential level. There were no additional Top Secret e-mails found. Finally, none of those we found have since been “up-classified.”

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press ... ail-system

I try not to be personal but what's dense is continuing to ignore the fact that, in order to lie, you have to know that what you are saying is untrue and there is nothing in all of that text you posted saying that the FBI said Clinton knew anything she said was untrue.

Or do you disagree with the premise that in order to lie you must both 1) say something that is untrue and 2) know it's untrue when you say it?

Comey said that they did not find evidence that Clinton intentionally mishandled classified information. Do you not think that's basically saying they did not find evidence that she knew she sent or received classified information on her private server?

In any case, NOWHERE did he say she knowingly sent classified information. Can you not see that?

[CAA Flagship]

Damn, you are dense. From Comey:



https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press ... ail-system

I try not to be personal but what's dense is continuing to ignore the fact that, in order to lie, you have to know that what you are saying is untrue and there is nothing in all of that text you posted saying that the FBI said Clinton knew anything she said was untrue.

Or do you disagree with the premise that in order to lie you must both 1) say something that is untrue and 2) know it's untrue when you say it?

Comey said that they did not find evidence that Clinton intentionally mishandled classified information. Do you not think that's basically saying they did not find evidence that she knew she sent or received classified information on her private server?

In any case, NOWHERE did he say she knowingly sent classified information. Can you not see that?

Her answer then should have been, "I don't know."
Instead, she stood strong on one side of the line. What is wrong with you? This is deceit. This is misinforming. This is untruth. This is lying.

Saying you didn't do something as strongly as she did is a lot different that saying "I don't think I did", "I'm not sure", or "I don't believe so".

YOU VOTED FOR A CORRUPT SACK OF SHIT. I hope you are proud of yourself.

[Ivytalk]

Ok. Just did all I can directly do. Early voted and, for the first time in my 58 year life, voted for the Democrat candidate for President. Also voted for the Libertarian candidates for House and Senate. Not voting for any Republican who has not affirmatively denounced Trump and none of my Republican alternatives have had the integrity to do that.

My vote for Clinton was almost certainly pointless because of the State I'm in. But what the heck. House and Senate are different. Republicans have always gotten my vote in the past. This time it ain't happening because they have aligned themselves with an atrocity. If the runoffs involve Republican vs. Democrat I'm voting Democrat.

If you really, truly loved Hildabeast, you would have voted straight-ticket Donk to help her implement all of her policies. Whatever they are. Shame on you!

[Skjellyfetti]

Against that backdrop, I would like to address myself to all those in the electorate who remain torn between two so-called major party candidates whom they cannot enthusiastically support. I’m speaking particularly to those Republicans who feel that our President should exhibit commonly accepted standards of decency and discipline.

“I would not have stepped out of the swirl of the campaign to make this statement if I did not fear for our country, as I do.

“A President of the United States operates every day under a great deal of pressure — from all sides, and in furtherance of many different agendas. With that pressure comes constant criticism.

“After careful observation and reflection, I have come to believe that Donald Trump, if elected President of the United States, would not be able to stand up to this pressure and this criticism without becoming unhinged and unable to perform competently the duties of his office.

“Mr. Trump has some charisma and panache, and intellectual quickness. These qualities can be entertaining. Yet more than charisma, more even than intellectual ability, is required of a serious candidate for this country’s highest office. A serious candidate for the Presidency of the United States must be stable, and Donald Trump is not stable.

“Throughout this campaign, Mr. Trump has demonstrated an inability to handle criticism or blame well. His first instinct is to lash out at others. When challenged, he often responds as a child might. He makes a sour face, he calls people by insulting names, he waves his arms, he impatiently interrupts. Most families would not allow their children to remain at the dinner table if they behaved as Mr. Trump does. He has not exhibited the self-control, the discipline, or the emotional depth necessary to function credibly as a President of the United States.

“From the beginning of his campaign, Mr. Trump has conjured up enemies. First it was eleven million criminals in our midst, all bent on obtaining the benefits of citizenship, at our expense. Over time, the enemies became any trading partner of the United States. He says they are nothing but foreigners seeking to threaten our livelihoods. Now we have reached the point where his idea of America’s enemies includes almost anyone who talks or looks different from him. The goal of the Trump campaign, from the outset, has been to stir up envy, resentment, and group hatred.

“This is the worst of American politics. I fear for our cohesion as a nation, and for our place in the world, if this man who is unwilling to say he will abide by the result of our national election becomes our President.

“This great nation has weathered policy differences throughout our history, and we will do so again. Not in my lifetime, though, has there been a candidate for President who actually makes me fear for the ultimate well-being of the country, a candidate who might in fact put at risk the solid foundation of America that allows us to endure even ill-advised policies and the normal ebb and flow of politics.

“In the final days of this very close race, every citizen must be aware of the power and responsibility of each individual vote. This is not the time to cast a jocular or feel-good vote for a man whom you may have briefly found entertaining. Donald Trump should not, cannot, and must not be elected President of the United States.”

https://www.johnsonweld.com/statement_b ... s_election

[DSUrocks07]

Against that backdrop, I would like to address myself to all those in the electorate who remain torn between two so-called major party candidates whom they cannot enthusiastically support. I’m speaking particularly to those Republicans who feel that our President should exhibit commonly accepted standards of decency and discipline.

“I would not have stepped out of the swirl of the campaign to make this statement if I did not fear for our country, as I do.

“A President of the United States operates every day under a great deal of pressure — from all sides, and in furtherance of many different agendas. With that pressure comes constant criticism.

“After careful observation and reflection, I have come to believe that Donald Trump, if elected President of the United States, would not be able to stand up to this pressure and this criticism without becoming unhinged and unable to perform competently the duties of his office.

“Mr. Trump has some charisma and panache, and intellectual quickness. These qualities can be entertaining. Yet more than charisma, more even than intellectual ability, is required of a serious candidate for this country’s highest office. A serious candidate for the Presidency of the United States must be stable, and Donald Trump is not stable.

“Throughout this campaign, Mr. Trump has demonstrated an inability to handle criticism or blame well. His first instinct is to lash out at others. When challenged, he often responds as a child might. He makes a sour face, he calls people by insulting names, he waves his arms, he impatiently interrupts. Most families would not allow their children to remain at the dinner table if they behaved as Mr. Trump does. He has not exhibited the self-control, the discipline, or the emotional depth necessary to function credibly as a President of the United States.

“From the beginning of his campaign, Mr. Trump has conjured up enemies. First it was eleven million criminals in our midst, all bent on obtaining the benefits of citizenship, at our expense. Over time, the enemies became any trading partner of the United States. He says they are nothing but foreigners seeking to threaten our livelihoods. Now we have reached the point where his idea of America’s enemies includes almost anyone who talks or looks different from him. The goal of the Trump campaign, from the outset, has been to stir up envy, resentment, and group hatred.

“This is the worst of American politics. I fear for our cohesion as a nation, and for our place in the world, if this man who is unwilling to say he will abide by the result of our national election becomes our President.

“This great nation has weathered policy differences throughout our history, and we will do so again. Not in my lifetime, though, has there been a candidate for President who actually makes me fear for the ultimate well-being of the country, a candidate who might in fact put at risk the solid foundation of America that allows us to endure even ill-advised policies and the normal ebb and flow of politics.

“In the final days of this very close race, every citizen must be aware of the power and responsibility of each individual vote. This is not the time to cast a jocular or feel-good vote for a man whom you may have briefly found entertaining. Donald Trump should not, cannot, and must not be elected President of the United States.”

https://www.johnsonweld.com/statement_b ... s_election

Weld is going to vote for Hillary

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[Skjellyfetti]

Prophetic Doonesbury from 1999 that sums up Trump's 2016 campaign

[SeattleGriz]

Deplorablemobile

That thing is so over the top stereotyped I wouldn't be surprised if it was a donk plant..

That's Bob Creamer's work car.

[JohnStOnge]

Instead, she stood strong on one side of the line. What is wrong with you? This is deceit. This is misinforming. This is untruth. This is lying.

Not so. If she believed she did not send classified information she was telling the truth as she saw it. She was wrong. Doesn't mean she lied.

YOU VOTED FOR A CORRUPT SACK OF ****. I hope you are proud of yourself.

I voted for what is best for the country. Whether she lied or not in that instance she does not lie as much as Donald Trump does. And she is not emotionally immature and unstable like Trump is. She is a mature adult who is at least somewhat qualified for the job. Trump is not. I have to shake my head at someone worrying about Hillary being corrupt given the rich history or dishonesty on Trump's resume. He's been a total slime ball all his life.

Then there's that thing about him being a 10 or 12 year old in a 70 year old man's body. And a bad 10 or 12 year old at that.

[JohnStOnge]

Had an interesting experience tonight. A volunteer with a Republican running for the US Senate seat in Louisiana called. I told him I already voted and I did not vote for any Republicans because none of them had repudiated Trump. He then proceeded to agree completely with me about Trump. Said it's true the guy he was volunteering for was supporting Trump and he completely understood my position. Went on to say that he also could not vote for Trump. Said he was thinking of voting for Gary Johnson.

I told him that I struggled some with whether or not to actually vote for Clinton but then I asked myself what I want to happen on November 8. And what I want to happen is for Trump to lose. That means Hillary winning. So since what I really want when you get right down to it is for Hillary to win I went ahead and voted for her.

He seemed to think that makes sense. Hopefully I convinced him to vote for Hillary too.

[houndawg]

Long term, the biggest loser in this excuse for an election will be the DNC.

I don't think so. The Democratic Party does not have to deal with something like the the Republican Party does in terms of a plurality among them that would do something like vote for an atrocity such as Trump in the primaries.

The future is bright for the Democrats. Remember that when it came to Sanders he did not have support among non Whites. Hillary dominated there. And the thing that makes the future look bright for the Democrats is the changing ethnic demographics.

Sure, the Democrats have some problems. But it's nothing like the problem the Republicans have.

You're wrong. Trust me.

[houndawg]

Ok. Just did all I can directly do. Early voted and, for the first time in my 58 year life, voted for the Democrat candidate for President. Also voted for the Libertarian candidates for House and Senate. Not voting for any Republican who has not affirmatively denounced Trump and none of my Republican alternatives have had the integrity to do that.

My vote for Clinton was almost certainly pointless because of the State I'm in. But what the heck. House and Senate are different. Republicans have always gotten my vote in the past. This time it ain't happening because they have aligned themselves with an atrocity. If the runoffs involve Republican vs. Democrat I'm voting Democrat.

Says a lot about your choices.

[houndawg]

I try not to be personal but what's dense is continuing to ignore the fact that, in order to lie, you have to know that what you are saying is untrue and there is nothing in all of that text you posted saying that the FBI said Clinton knew anything she said was untrue.

Or do you disagree with the premise that in order to lie you must both 1) say something that is untrue and 2) know it's untrue when you say it?

Comey said that they did not find evidence that Clinton intentionally mishandled classified information. Do you not think that's basically saying they did not find evidence that she knew she sent or received classified information on her private server?

In any case, NOWHERE did he say she knowingly sent classified information. Can you not see that?

Her answer then should have been, "I don't know."
Instead, she stood strong on one side of the line. What is wrong with you? This is deceit. This is misinforming. This is untruth. This is lying.

Saying you didn't do something as strongly as she did is a lot different that saying "I don't think I did", "I'm not sure", or "I don't believe so".

YOU VOTED FOR A CORRUPT SACK OF ****. I hope you are proud of yourself.

Take some time off, flaggy... your game is slipping. JSO is beating you like a trap set....

[CAA Flagship]

Had an interesting experience tonight. A volunteer with a Republican running for the US Senate seat in Louisiana called. I told him I already voted and I did not vote for any Republicans because none of them had repudiated Trump. He then proceeded to agree completely with me about Trump. Said it's true the guy he was volunteering for was supporting Trump and he completely understood my position. Went on to say that he also could not vote for Trump. Said he was thinking of voting for Gary Johnson.

I told him that I struggled some with whether or not to actually vote for Clinton but then I asked myself what I want to happen on November 8. And what I want to happen is for Trump to lose. That means Hillary winning. So since what I really want when you get right down to it is for Hillary to win I went ahead and voted for her.

He seemed to think that makes sense. Hopefully I convinced him to vote for Hillary too.

Louisiana logic.

[CAA Flagship]

Her answer then should have been, "I don't know."
Instead, she stood strong on one side of the line. What is wrong with you? This is deceit. This is misinforming. This is untruth. This is lying.

Saying you didn't do something as strongly as she did is a lot different that saying "I don't think I did", "I'm not sure", or "I don't believe so".

YOU VOTED FOR A CORRUPT SACK OF ****. I hope you are proud of yourself.

Take some time off, flaggy... your game is slipping. JSO is beating you like a trap set....

So you think HRC did not lie about the emails?

[DSUrocks07]

Has my vote

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[Ibanez]

Instead, she stood strong on one side of the line. What is wrong with you? This is deceit. This is misinforming. This is untruth. This is lying.

Not so. If she believed she did not send classified information she was telling the truth as she saw it. She was wrong. Doesn't mean she lied.

YOU VOTED FOR A CORRUPT SACK OF ****. I hope you are proud of yourself.

I voted for what is best for the country. Whether she lied or not in that instance she does not lie as much as Donald Trump does. And she is not emotionally immature and unstable like Trump is. She is a mature adult who is at least somewhat qualified for the job. Trump is not. I have to shake my head at someone worrying about Hillary being corrupt given the rich history or dishonesty on Trump's resume. He's been a total slime ball all his life.

Then there's that thing about him being a 10 or 12 year old in a 70 year old man's body. And a bad 10 or 12 year old at that.

The lying about it doesn't really matter. She signed a NDA and swore that she would protect classified information. She should've known.

[CID1990]

Not so. If she believed she did not send classified information she was telling the truth as she saw it. She was wrong. Doesn't mean she lied.



I voted for what is best for the country. Whether she lied or not in that instance she does not lie as much as Donald Trump does. And she is not emotionally immature and unstable like Trump is. She is a mature adult who is at least somewhat qualified for the job. Trump is not. I have to shake my head at someone worrying about Hillary being corrupt given the rich history or dishonesty on Trump's resume. He's been a total slime ball all his life.

Then there's that thing about him being a 10 or 12 year old in a 70 year old man's body. And a bad 10 or 12 year old at that.

The lying about it doesn't really matter. She signed a NDA and swore that she would protect classified information. She should've known.

She didn't even have to know. She falls under the definition of "caused to be" by having the server.

Since Mr Asperger's Syndrome can't seem to grasp this, I'll point out the actual section of the law:

18 USC 793

See paragraph F (1)

JSO is just parroting the talking points and hasn't done his research


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[Ibanez]

The lying about it doesn't really matter. She signed a NDA and swore that she would protect classified information. She should've known.

She didn't even have to know. She falls under the definition of "caused to be" by having the server.

Since Mr Asperger's Syndrome can't seem to grasp this, I'll point out the actual section of the law:

18 USC 793

See paragraph F (1)

JSO is just parroting the talking points and hasn't done his research


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(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed,

Since Huma and Cheryl also did this, does that constitute as a conspiracy?

[CID1990]

She didn't even have to know. She falls under the definition of "caused to be" by having the server.

Since Mr Asperger's Syndrome can't seem to grasp this, I'll point out the actual section of the law:

18 USC 793

See paragraph F (1)

JSO is just parroting the talking points and hasn't done his research


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(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed,

Since Huma and Cheryl also did this, does that constitute as a conspiracy?

Yes, and the FBI offered them immunity up front

Hell im surprised they didn't offer Hillary immunity too


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[CAA Flagship]

I try not to be personal but what's dense is continuing to ignore the fact that, in order to lie, you have to know that what you are saying is untrue

Can't have it both ways. She either told the truth or she lied, was dishonest, committed fraud, told fiction, was inaccurate, fabricated, misrepresented, etc., etc. etc., after being questioned about it. Pick one, John. Which word or phrase would you like to use because the truth was not told in her pointed answer?

[andy7171]

Ok. Just did all I can directly do. Early voted and, for the first time in my 58 year life, voted for the Democrat candidate for President. Also voted for the Libertarian candidates for House and Senate. Not voting for any Republican who has not affirmatively denounced Trump and none of my Republican alternatives have had the integrity to do that.

My vote for Clinton was almost certainly pointless because of the State I'm in. But what the heck. House and Senate are different. Republicans have always gotten my vote in the past. This time it ain't happening because they have aligned themselves with an atrocity. If the runoffs involve Republican vs. Democrat I'm voting Democrat.

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[Gil Dobie]

Interesting Maps of voting segments

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