MAQA Civil War

[UNI88]

That was a typo that I fixed.

Tell me where I was wrong and/or what I was wrong about. Be specific.

Quote the statement where Paul said the drugs have no pathway to the US.

Or you can continue to duck, dodge and avoid answering the questions.

It wasn’t a typo, you got busted lying again

And you will just keep doing it

Except for the "I listened to what he said in that Tweet and didn't hear that (the drugs have no pathway to the US) so I'll ask again, quote the statement where he said that" that followed and was clearly referring to Paul.

Try again.

Tell me where I was wrong and/or what I was wrong about. Be specific.

Quote the statement where Paul said the drugs have no pathway to the US.

Or you can continue to duck, dodge and avoid answering the questions.

[Caribbean Hen]

It wasn’t a typo, you got busted lying again

And you will just keep doing it

Except for the "I listened to what he said in that Tweet and didn't hear that (the drugs have no pathway to the US) so I'll ask again, quote the statement where he said that" that followed and was clearly referring to Paul.

Try again.

Tell me where I was wrong and/or what I was wrong about. Be specific.

Quote the statement where Paul said the drugs have no pathway to the US.

Or you can continue to duck, dodge and avoid answering the questions.

I’ve already told you

Why don’t you go back and look for where I told you

[UNI88]

Except for the "I listened to what he said in that Tweet and didn't hear that (the drugs have no pathway to the US) so I'll ask again, quote the statement where he said that" that followed and was clearly referring to Paul.

Try again.

Tell me where I was wrong and/or what I was wrong about. Be specific.

Quote the statement where Paul said the drugs have no pathway to the US.

Or you can continue to duck, dodge and avoid answering the questions.

I’ve already told you

Why don’t you go back and look for where I told you

You said:

So by Rand Paul saying they don’t have a pathway to “Florida” is wrong ….

And I've asked you repeatedly to quote exactly where Rand said that and you've ducked and dodged the question.

About me you said:

You should’ve just sat this one out and stopped pontificating about something you know nothing about

While giving no specifics. Tell me what I got wrong.

I'll even refresh your memory by giving the quoting my post:

For reference, here is my attempt at transcribing what Paul said ...

If you go off the coast of Miami, the Coast Guard will be stopping boats today and about 25% of the boats that they stop that they’re suspicious of drugs, there won’t be any drugs on board. So 25% of the time the suspicion is wrong and that’s why we don’t just shoot and blow up boats off of Miami but neither should we be blowing them up off the coast of Venezuela.

Number one, there is no fentanyl made in Venezuela. Not just a little bit, there’s none being made in Venezuela.

These are outboard boats that in order for them to get to Miami would have to stop and refuel 20 times. They’re in all likelihood going to Trinidad-Tobago which is an island right off the coast of Venezuela.

So there’s a lot of reasons to be worried about this. But number one is the broader principle of when can you kill people indiscriminately, when you are at war. That’s why when we declare war it’s supposed to be done by Congress. It’s supposed to be thoughtful. It’s supposed to be debated. And we’re not supposed to do it willy nilly. And then when you have war you just kill people in the war zone. And even then there are rules of engagement.

But interdicting drugs has always been a criminal/anti-crime activity where we don’t just summarily execute people. We actually present evidence and convict them.

The only thing Paul got wrong was the range of the boats. Depending on their speed (impacts their fuel consumption) they could probably get to Miami with 1 stop to refuel.

Maybe stating that there is no fentanyl made in Venezuela is hyperbole but the reality is that the vast majority of the fentanyl in the US comes from Mexico using materials from China.

Nowhere in the Twitter clip did he state that the boats/drugs have "no pathway" to the US/Florida. You stating he said that is itself intellectually dishonest.

You appear to be using the BDKnitpicking approach of attempting to discredit Paul's extremely valid points by focusing on much less relevant details.

If I'm wrong then show me the receipts.

[Caribbean Hen]

You want me to dig up 27,506 receipts…

TDS88
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[UNI88]

You want me to dig up 27,506 receipts…

TDS88
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It's simple - it's in this thread and in the last couple of days or it doesn't exist and you're full of sh!t.

I suspect you've got nothing and you're just ducking and dodging to avoid admitting it. No wonder you're drawn to trump. Peas in a pod.

[Caribbean Hen]

You want me to dig up 27,506 receipts…

TDS88
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It's simple - it's in this thread and in the last couple of days or it doesn't exist and you're full of sh!t.

I suspect you've got nothing and you're just ducking and dodging to avoid admitting it. No wonder you're drawn to trump. Peas in a pod.

What have I said that is wrong.

Why are you putting so much time and energy into this?

I like Rand Paul, he has a valid concern about the military blowing up these boats, he just shouldn’t talk about drug smuggling operations because I never saw him out there

[UNI88]

[BDKJMU]

Could replace that with:

Democrats right now have no accomplishments, no plans, and no vision. Why on earth would anyone be excited to go vote for them..

[kalm]

Could replace that with:

Democrats right now have no accomplishments, no plans, and no vision. Why on earth would anyone be excited to go vote for them..

No majorities or executive.

[GannonFan]

Could replace that with:

No majorities or executive.

Indeed, and that's why these things have flopped back and forth between both parties and will keep bouncing. Neither party really has great ideas, other than trying to hold on to power, so voters have lately just been voting against the incumbents. That happened just last week and looks to be on course for happening in 2026 as well. That's what will make the 2028 Presidential election so interesting, no incumbents. Of course, 2016 was like that and we're still sorting through the ripples from that doozy.

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Trump says Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene has "lost her way" after criticism over foreign policy focus

"I don't know what happened to Marjorie, nice woman, but she's lost her way, I think," Trump said from the Oval Office, where he met with Syria's leader and swore in a new ambassador to India. The president defended his focus on global issues, saying he sees the presidency "as a worldwide situation."

Is marge the only MAQA yahoo (or one of the very few) who can stand up to trump?

[kalm]

Trump says Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene has "lost her way" after criticism over foreign policy focus

"I don't know what happened to Marjorie, nice woman, but she's lost her way, I think," Trump said from the Oval Office, where he met with Syria's leader and swore in a new ambassador to India. The president defended his focus on global issues, saying he sees the presidency "as a worldwide situation."

Is marge the only MAQA yahoo (or one of the very few) who can stand up to trump?

MTG…smarter with better values than Trump.

[BDKJMU]

No majorities or executive.

Indeed, and that's why these things have flopped back and forth between both parties and will keep bouncing. Neither party really has great ideas, other than trying to hold on to power, so voters have lately just been voting against the incumbents. That happened just last week and looks to be on course for happening in 2026 as well. That's what will make the 2028 Presidential election so interesting, no incumbents. Of course, 2016 was like that and we're still sorting through the ripples from that doozy.

That’s been happening for at least 80 years. The last 20 midterm elections 1946-2022 the party in the WH has lost an avg of 25 House seats. On 2 of 20 has the party in the WH gained seats:
-1998 Clinton
-2002 Bush

So even if the donks gained 5, 10, even 20 seats they would be doing worse than the historical avg.

It’s like the majority of the electorate is a bunch of every 4 year flip floppers who can’t make up their mind. And round and round we go. We get the govt we deserve.

[GannonFan]

Indeed, and that's why these things have flopped back and forth between both parties and will keep bouncing. Neither party really has great ideas, other than trying to hold on to power, so voters have lately just been voting against the incumbents. That happened just last week and looks to be on course for happening in 2026 as well. That's what will make the 2028 Presidential election so interesting, no incumbents. Of course, 2016 was like that and we're still sorting through the ripples from that doozy.

That’s been happening for at least 80 years. The last 20 midterm elections 1946-2022 the party in the WH has lost an avg of 25 House seats. On 2 of 20 has the party in the WH gained seats:
-1998 Clinton
-2002 Bush

So even if the donks gained 5, 10, even 20 seats they would be doing worse than the historical avg.

It’s like the majority of the electorate is a bunch of every 4 year flip floppers who can’t make up their mind. And round and round we go. We get the govt we deserve.

Of course, maybe if the government actually worked in those 4 years you wouldn't have people flip flop all the time. People aren't seeing anything worth voting for - some voters genuinely don't care if it's a Democrat or Republican, they just want everything to work and they'll vote for who accomplishes that.

[UNI88]

Trump calls for Indiana GOP members to be ousted after redistricting efforts stall

President Donald Trump is calling for the GOP leader of Indiana’s state Senate to be ousted after he refused to reconvene the chamber to redraw congressional maps in favor of Republicans.

Good for Indiana. Redistricting now would be a "brazen power grab that tramples on civil rights and mocks the democratic process."

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Sen. Greg Walker declines Oval Office visit, accuses White House of violating Hatch Act

The state senator said he declined the invitation and believes it violates the Hatch Act, which restricts certain political activities by federal employees.

Walker said he would have reported the alleged violation to federal authorities “if I thought that there was anyone of integrity in Washington that would follow through on my accusation and actually cause someone to lose their job over it.”

“I refused (the invitation), but the underling who reached out to me is trying to influence the election on my dime,” Walker told The Republic. “That individual works for me. He works for you. He’s on my payroll, he’s on your payroll, and he’s campaigning on company time. That’s a violation of the Hatch Act. He’s a federal employee. He works in the White House. But does anyone care about the rules anymore? Not that I can tell.”

“How does (Trump) have the time to mess with a nobody like me with all of the important matters that are to take his attention as the leader of the executive branch in this nation?” Walker also said. “There is no way that he should have time to have a conversation with me about Indiana mapmaking when that’s not his business, for starters. But secondly, doesn’t he have anything better to do? I can make a big list of things that are more important for him to focus on.”

The Oval Office invitation came two days before Walker became the sixth GOP senator to be targeted in a swatting incident since Indiana Senate leaders said they were rejecting Trump’s push for congressional redistricting.

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Damn near as juicy as the Candace Owens-Tim Poole fiasco.

And Trump just keeps adding more wood to the fire.

[UNI88]

House Republicans demand Trump reverse course after 'strongly considering' marijuana executive order

"We write to urge you to oppose rescheduling marijuana, a harmful drug that is worsening our nation’s addiction crisis," the letter said. "Reclassifying marijuana as a Schedule III drug will send the wrong message to America’s children, enable drug cartels, and make our roads more dangerous."

The letter has support from a wide cross-section of the House GOP that includes moderates, House Freedom Caucus members and mainstream Republican lawmakers.

Marijuana is currently considered a Schedule I drug, the same classification level as heroin, ecstasy and LSD. Schedule I drugs are considered to have "no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse," according to the DEA website.

The president said as recently as Monday that he is weighing downgrading marijuana to Schedule III, alongside Tylenol with codeine and anabolic steroids, which are considered "drugs with a moderate to low potential for physical and psychological dependence."

"We are considering that. A lot of people want to see it, the reclassification, because it leads to tremendous amounts of research that can’t be done unless you reclassify," Trump said in the Oval Office this week. "So we are looking at that very strongly."

[kalm]

House Republicans demand Trump reverse course after 'strongly considering' marijuana executive order

"We write to urge you to oppose rescheduling marijuana, a harmful drug that is worsening our nation’s addiction crisis," the letter said. "Reclassifying marijuana as a Schedule III drug will send the wrong message to America’s children, enable drug cartels, and make our roads more dangerous."

The letter has support from a wide cross-section of the House GOP that includes moderates, House Freedom Caucus members and mainstream Republican lawmakers.

Marijuana is currently considered a Schedule I drug, the same classification level as heroin, ecstasy and LSD. Schedule I drugs are considered to have "no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse," according to the DEA website.

The president said as recently as Monday that he is weighing downgrading marijuana to Schedule III, alongside Tylenol with codeine and anabolic steroids, which are considered "drugs with a moderate to low potential for physical and psychological dependence."

"We are considering that. A lot of people want to see it, the reclassification, because it leads to tremendous amounts of research that can’t be done unless you reclassify," Trump said in the Oval Office this week. "So we are looking at that very strongly."

I give them 12-24 hours to verify and then find some spin.

Maybe 24-36 for SG. He’s a little slow.

[UNI88]

MAGA civil war erupts into the open at Turning Point meeting

Influential podcaster Ben Shapiro came straight out of the gate, attacking former Fox News host Tucker Carlson for an uncritical interview with self-described white nationalist Nick Fuentes.

"The conservative movement is... in danger from charlatans who claim to speak in the name of principle, but actually traffic in conspiracism and dishonesty," he said.

Shapiro said Carlson should never have given oxygen to Fuentes, whose views are described as antisemitic, misogynistic and racist.

Kirk had "despised" Fuentes, Shapiro added.

"He knew that Nick Fuentes is an evil troll and that building him up is an act of moral imbecility, and that is precisely what Tucker Carlson did."

Carlson shot back, mocking Shapiro for suggesting censorship, which he claimed was anathema to the Turning Point founder.

"Deplatforming and denouncing people at a Charlie Kirk event. I'm like, what? It's hilarious," he told the audience a few hours later.

[kalm]

MAGA civil war erupts into the open at Turning Point meeting

Influential podcaster Ben Shapiro came straight out of the gate, attacking former Fox News host Tucker Carlson for an uncritical interview with self-described white nationalist Nick Fuentes.

"The conservative movement is... in danger from charlatans who claim to speak in the name of principle, but actually traffic in conspiracism and dishonesty," he said.

Shapiro said Carlson should never have given oxygen to Fuentes, whose views are described as antisemitic, misogynistic and racist.

Kirk had "despised" Fuentes, Shapiro added.

"He knew that Nick Fuentes is an evil troll and that building him up is an act of moral imbecility, and that is precisely what Tucker Carlson did."

Carlson shot back, mocking Shapiro for suggesting censorship, which he claimed was anathema to the Turning Point founder.

"Deplatforming and denouncing people at a Charlie Kirk event. I'm like, what? It's hilarious," he told the audience a few hours later.

When Shapiro and MTG start making a little sense….

[UNI88]

Tucker Carlson Met With Awkward Silence on Stage From MAGA Crowd

“Attacking millions of Americans because they’re Muslims—it’s disgusting. And I’m a Christian, I’m not a Muslim,” he said, in a room where you could have heard a pin drop.

He tried to lighten the mood, picking up the stick Loomer and the gang had used to beat him with and attempting to wield it himself. “I know there’s a lot of effort to claim I’m a secret jihadi. I’m not.” There was a little pause, opening the door for laughter that never arrived. He swiftly moved on.

“You should not attack people on those grounds. And you’re seeing it from Republicans. What the hell are you doing? What you’re doing is trying to divide the country, and I’ve lived through 50 years of this c---. All these fake race wars they’re always promoting. ‘Oh, go hate each other while we loot the treasury.’ That’s exactly what’s going on, and most people are totally sick of that.

“Yes, there’s a possibility for a huge coalition of decent people, once they free their minds from the traps set for them by others, and realize, ‘Wait a second, we all want to make the country better,’ and the 15 percent or 30 percent that don’t, OK. Good luck in Maryland or wherever you wind up, but the rest of us would like to fix it.”

[UNI88]

Here’s what you missed at Turning Point’s chaotic convention

Ben Shapiro: …

Candace Owens “has been vomiting all sorts of hideous and conspiratorial nonsense into the public square for years,” he said.

Megyn Kelly is “guilty of cowardice” because she’s refused to condemn Owens for spreading unsubstantiated theories about Kirk’s death.

And Tucker Carlson’s decision to host antisemite Nick Fuentes on his podcast was “an act of moral imbecility.”
…
“Ben Shapiro is like a cancer, and that cancer spreads,” said Steve Bannon, a former Trump adviser.

Kelly belittled Shapiro as a marginal figure in the conservative movement and said their friendship is over.

“I resent that he thinks he’s in a position to decide who must say what, to whom, and when,” Kelly said.
…

Bannon accused Shapiro, who is Jewish, and others who staunchly support Israel of being part of “the Israel first crowd.” Kelly said criticism from Shapiro and Bari Weiss, the newly installed head of CBS News, “is about Israel.”

Cat fight!


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[UNI88]

Belongs here and in the epstein thread ...