Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

[kalm]

"Trump surging..."

"Trump ahead..."

"Trump expands map...."

Are a few of the headlines right now on RCP.

This one might be over.

[93henfan]

"Trump surging..."

"Trump ahead..."

"Trump expands map...."

Are a few of the headlines right now on RCP.

This one might be over.

I still think Hilldog takes it, but in more of a nailbiter than she expected. Something like 287-251, as I look at the current RCP toss-up states. I think Hillary takes NC and CO (24 total), in addition to the 263 they already have her down for. I think Trump can take FL-OH-GA-IA-AZ-NV-ME2 and it still won't quite be enough.

There are a bunch of tossup states polling within the margin of error now though, so who knows? Need to get those PA coal miners fired up. SEPTA also struck today, so that could conceivably keep some Philly negros away from the polls. PA would be a dealbreaker for Clinton if she fails there.

[kalm]

"Trump surging..."

"Trump ahead..."

"Trump expands map...."

Are a few of the headlines right now on RCP.

This one might be over.

I still think Hilldog takes it, but in more of a nailbiter than she expected. Something like 287-251, as I look at the current RCP toss-up states. I think Hillary takes NC and CO (24 total), in addition to the 263 they already have her down for. I think Trump can take FL-OH-GA-IA-AZ-NV-ME2 and it still won't quite be enough.

There are a bunch of tossup states polling within the margin of error now though, so who knows?

And most if not all them seem to be moving in Trump's direction.

[93henfan]

The Democrats, in light of all the dirt on Hillary presented by Wikileaks and the Weiner laptop, might actually want Trump to flail in the oval office for four years at this point. If it's Hillary, she is going to get thrashed the next four years the likes of which we've never seen, not even during Watergate. There would be a sweeping wave of red in Congress come 2018, and likely an elephant in the White House in 2021 as well, so long as the Republicans have a gameplan and keep Cruz away. I will never vote for that creepy religious nut.

Regardless, Hillary either loses now, which is awesome, or gets curbstomped starting Jan 20 2017 until she gives up or gets shown the door, which is even awesomer!

[Ibanez]

I wonder what the chances are both get 269 and the House of Reps has to decide the election? If Trump were to win all the battleground states and Clinton takes Nevada, that's possible. But probably not probable.

[Pwns]

Anyone ever read Lord of the Flies where at the end of the book the soldier who is fighting a war is scolding the boys on how savage they are acting?

We have the exact same kind of irony here. Liberals are losing their minds over Trump and how completely banana republic he and his whole campaign is all the while Hillary with her obvious contempt for rules must be above the law 'cause reasons.

All while donks have their own less-flagrant brand of demagoguery and post-truth politics.

God is on sabbatical and his substitute is a satire writer.

[Ibanez]

Anyone ever read Lord of the Flies where at the end of the book the soldier who is fighting a war is scolding the boys on how savage they are acting?

We have the exact same kind of irony here. Liberals are losing their minds over Trump and how completely banana republic he and his whole campaign is all the while Hillary with her obvious contempt for rules must be above the law 'cause reasons.

All while donks have their own less-flagrant brand of demagoguery and post-truth politics.

God is on sabbatical and his substitute is a satire writer.

This is what we deserve. The electorate has allowed this crap to go on for so long that we're stuck between choosing between 2 steaming piles of crap.

I kind of pray that Johnson wins 1 state, forces the election to go to the HoR and they choose Johnson as POTUS.

Johnson, on his most stoned day, would be better than Clinton or Trump.

[kalm]

Anyone ever read Lord of the Flies where at the end of the book the soldier who is fighting a war is scolding the boys on how savage they are acting?

We have the exact same kind of irony here. Liberals are losing their minds over Trump and how completely banana republic he and his whole campaign is all the while Hillary with her obvious contempt for rules must be above the law 'cause reasons.

All while donks have their own less-flagrant brand of demagoguery and post-truth politics.

God is on sabbatical and his substitute is a satire writer.

This is what we deserve. The electorate has allowed this crap to go on for so long that we're stuck between choosing between 2 steaming piles of crap.

I kind of pray that Johnson wins 1 state, forces the election to go to the HoR and they choose Johnson as POTUS.

Johnson, on his most stoned day, would be better than Clinton or Trump.

That's meme worthy right there.

[Ibanez]

This is what we deserve. The electorate has allowed this crap to go on for so long that we're stuck between choosing between 2 steaming piles of crap.

I kind of pray that Johnson wins 1 state, forces the election to go to the HoR and they choose Johnson as POTUS.

Johnson, on his most stoned day, would be better than Clinton or Trump.

That's meme worthy right there.

It'll never happen...but there's probably a very slim chance that it could. A lot of what I've read, a vote for Johnson hurts Clinton more than Trump due to most of his supporters are young (re: Sanders supporters).

[93henfan]

WOW! You know things are bad for Hillary when CNN goes back to an actual non-election news story as the headline during the final week of the election.




Here's what they usually look like:

[BDKJMU]

Holy shit! ABC in a 4 way had Clinton +12 a week+ ago and now has Trump +1. RCP 4 way avg 10/20 had Hillary +6.4. Now she is + 2.2 and the majority of the polling was done before the 10/28 Comey announcement. Yeah I know its all about the swing states & electoral college, but she has to be dropping there too.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5952.html

Clinton had an incredibly terrible week.
-Continued daily wikileaks releases (esp damning was the stuff on the Clinton Foundation).
-Announcement of Obamcare premium increases of avg 25% nationwide.
-Comey's bombshell.

[93henfan]

If they do not have another Trump tape, they need to invent one.

James Carville is probably splicing something as we speak. While Donna Brazile gives him head.

[BDKJMU]

If they do not have another Trump tape, they need to invent one.

James Carville is probably splicing something as we speak. While Donna Brazile gives him head.

He's gone full JSO/Exspandos retard:
Carville Melts Down: Asserts FBI, GOP, and KGB in Cahoots
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/carv ... b-cahoots/

[CAA Flagship]

The largest group of people likely to not make an effort to vote is donks. This poll is just a ploy to try and motivate them to get out and vote. It's all BS. All polls are BS. I won't believe anything until the last hanging chad is counted.

Also, vote switching and Black Panther intimidation.

[SDHornet]

The irony with Trips hilldog spin and stance on “meh only follow the rules as you want” is that he is an engineer and deals with specifications on a regular basis. He of all people should know and understand the importance of “following the rules”, or more specifically as it pertains to his profession, “following the specifications”.

Trip what would you do if a contractor took the flippant attitude towards your specs as you are to the hilldog NDA requirements? Say a contractor grabs whatever equipment he finds regardless of the spec requirements you wrote and installs them at whatever tolerances he felt like regardless of the specs? Would you take a “meh, oh well” attitude? If so, please don’t pursue your professional engineering license. It’s not for you.

Signed,
SDHornet, PE

[89Hen]

I still think Clinton big, but we actually held a mock election in my office today and it was a dead draw. That is amazing because I would have guessed it would have been 80-20 in favor of Hillary. My office is EXTREMELY liberal.

[CID1990]

Anyone ever read Lord of the Flies where at the end of the book the soldier who is fighting a war is scolding the boys on how savage they are acting?

We have the exact same kind of irony here. Liberals are losing their minds over Trump and how completely banana republic he and his whole campaign is all the while Hillary with her obvious contempt for rules must be above the law 'cause reasons.

All while donks have their own less-flagrant brand of demagoguery and post-truth politics.

God is on sabbatical and his substitute is a satire writer.

This is what we deserve. The electorate has allowed this crap to go on for so long that we're stuck between choosing between 2 steaming piles of crap.

I kind of pray that Johnson wins 1 state, forces the election to go to the HoR and they choose Johnson as POTUS.

Johnson, on his most stoned day, would be better than Clinton or Trump.

I've thought a lot about this scenario.

The only way Johnson prevents either candidate from getting to 270 is if the race is a dead heat, but Johnson actually has to win a state or two. Possible, but not likely.

However, I think McMullen is going to carry Utah, so throw out those electoral votes.

Johnson might deny Clinton one or two states- not by winning them, but by throwing them to Trump.

If the election goes to the House I think it will go this way:

Clinton obviously is out.

House GOP running for reelection in the next cycle will want to go with someone vanilla, but someone who doesn't piss off the Trump/Tea Party voters too much.

That means this faction would push either Rubio or Ryan. They all hate Cruz.

The more "safe" seats could go in one or two directions- hard right (Cruz) or hard moderate (Kasich or Ryan).

In the end, I think it would go to Ryan. He is prominently positioned. His nomination wouldn't hurt too badly at the polls in the next cycle for house members. He's less moderate than Kasich. Most importantly, the messaging will be that after such a contentious election, we need a moderating force to bring us all back to earth. That, to me, means Ryan with Kasich as a possible sop to Democrats.

OR, if the House was REALLY serious about settling the dust....

President James Webb
Vice President Ryan

That's my fantasy ticket with no possibility of happening


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[∞∞∞]

The irony with Trips hilldog spin and stance on “meh only follow the rules as you want” is that he is an engineer and deals with specifications on a regular basis. He of all people should know and understand the importance of “following the rules”, or more specifically as it pertains to his profession, “following the specifications”.

Trip what would you do if a contractor took the flippant attitude towards your specs as you are to the hilldog NDA requirements? Say a contractor grabs whatever equipment he finds regardless of the spec requirements you wrote and installs them at whatever tolerances he felt like regardless of the specs? Would you take a “meh, oh well” attitude? If so, please don’t pursue your professional engineering license. It’s not for you.

Signed,
SDHornet, PE

It's don't consider this a valid comparison; you're comparing physics with people.

And I'm a year away from the PE exam. But after that, I'm probably leaving engineering; it's a boring profession.

[Ibanez]

The irony with Trips hilldog spin and stance on “meh only follow the rules as you want” is that he is an engineer and deals with specifications on a regular basis. He of all people should know and understand the importance of “following the rules”, or more specifically as it pertains to his profession, “following the specifications”.

Trip what would you do if a contractor took the flippant attitude towards your specs as you are to the hilldog NDA requirements? Say a contractor grabs whatever equipment he finds regardless of the spec requirements you wrote and installs them at whatever tolerances he felt like regardless of the specs? Would you take a “meh, oh well” attitude? If so, please don’t pursue your professional engineering license. It’s not for you.

Signed,
SDHornet, PE

It's don't consider this a valid comparison; you're comparing physics with people.

And I'm a year away from the PE exam. But after that, I'm probably leaving engineering; it's a boring profession.

Then why even go for the PE?

We don't have the luxury of choosing which laws, guidelines and signed agreements we get to follow.

[SDHornet]

The irony with Trips hilldog spin and stance on “meh only follow the rules as you want” is that he is an engineer and deals with specifications on a regular basis. He of all people should know and understand the importance of “following the rules”, or more specifically as it pertains to his profession, “following the specifications”.

Trip what would you do if a contractor took the flippant attitude towards your specs as you are to the hilldog NDA requirements? Say a contractor grabs whatever equipment he finds regardless of the spec requirements you wrote and installs them at whatever tolerances he felt like regardless of the specs? Would you take a “meh, oh well” attitude? If so, please don’t pursue your professional engineering license. It’s not for you.

Signed,
SDHornet, PE

It's don't consider this a valid comparison; you're comparing physics with people.

And I'm a year away from the PE exam. But after that, I'm probably leaving engineering; it's a boring profession.

Actually it's about following the rules and cherry picking which rules to follow. I take it you have never been on a project where a CM lets a contractor pick and choose which specs to follow (you know, the people side of engineering). It get's fun watching the CM trying to reel in the contractor after letting him slide on certain aspects of the project. Maybe someday you'll understand.

[Ivytalk]

If they do not have another Trump tape, they need to invent one.

James Carville is probably splicing something as we speak. While Donna Brazile gives him head.

Mary Matalin should dump that fugly prick. Not that she's any prize.

[TheDancinMonarch]

Hillary Clinton is to blame for all of her problems. If she had just used a State Department account for the publics business and a private account for her personal business, legal or otherwise, she would be home free. But she didn't and when caught, if that's the right word, she retreated to what she does worst, she lied. Now it is said that Trump does not have the temperament to be President but I would question whether an habitual liar has the proper temperament. But that's just me.

There is one reason to consider Trump. Do you remember the scene in Breaking Bad where the Salamanca brothers, Leonel and Marco, were low-crawling to the shrine with the other peasants. Consider a Trump victory and all of the never-Trumpers reprising that scene across the White House lawn. Almost worth the price of admission. Almost.

I am not a particularly religious person but I hope there is a God and that He/She looks down or up favorably on us for the next 4 years for we will need all the help we can get to survive the Presidency of one of these extremely flawed people.

[BDKJMU]

I still think Clinton big, but we actually held a mock election in my office today and it was a dead draw. That is amazing because I would have guessed it would have been 80-20 in favor of Hillary. My office is EXTREMELY liberal.

Pussy? Cock?

[∞∞∞]

It's don't consider this a valid comparison; you're comparing physics with people.

And I'm a year away from the PE exam. But after that, I'm probably leaving engineering; it's a boring profession.

Actually it's about following the rules and cherry picking which rules to follow. I take it you have never been on a project where a CM lets a contractor pick and choose which specs to follow (you know, the people side of engineering). It get's fun watching the CM trying to reel in the contractor after letting him slide on certain aspects of the project. Maybe someday you'll understand.

I do the construction management on most my projects, or at least as many hours we have in the contract. I review submittals for accuracy and guide the contractors when they need help. There's a ton of times I've allowed contractors to use alternative methods if they make a case for it, but there's no way to ensure they do everything by the books. A lot of these contractors are smarter than me so I try to learn from them if it makes sense to.

Ibanez, I want the PE because it'll help me get into other technical industries, even if I don't use it. I'm a LEED AP and ENV SP, so I've always wanted to get into the sustainability and environmental fields...perhaps at the EPA or USGBC or a non-profit. I don't want to get pigeon-holed in my line of work for too long.

[CAA Flagship]

Hillary Clinton is to blame for all of her problems. If she had just used a State Department account for the publics business and a private account for her personal business, legal or otherwise, she would be home free. But she didn't and when caught, if that's the right word, she retreated to what she does worst, she lied. Now it is said that Trump does not have the temperament to be President but I would question whether an habitual liar has the proper temperament. But that's just me.

There is one reason to consider Trump. Do you remember the scene in Breaking Bad where the Salamanca brothers, Leonel and Marco, were low-crawling to the shrine with the other peasants. Consider a Trump victory and all of the never-Trumpers reprising that scene across the White House lawn. Almost worth the price of admission. Almost.

I am not a particularly religious person but I hope there is a God and that He/She looks down or up favorably on us for the next 4 years for we will need all the help we can get to survive the Presidency of one of these extremely flawed people.

That's pretty good.

The way I see it, this country cannot continue in this direction another 4 years. If so, it will become the norm and it will be virtually impossible to reverse it. I believe Hillary would not be as bad as Obama, but we would still be heading in that direction. I believe a Trump administration would reverse the trajectory. It may be only a slight rise, but even that would be a drastic difference from the steep decline that we see now. We need a reason for businesses to take risks. The stock market is ripe for a big decline because of the stock buybacks that have artificially raised valuations. Companies have borrowed tons of cheap money to buy back their stock, but revenues are not there to maintain these levels. Once the buybacks diminish because of rising interest rates, the market will fall hard. Neither nominee will be able to stop this, but Trump may be the only one who can keep it under control and get it to recover quicker.