Trump vs Harris

[kalm]

You may be confusing terms here. And reality.

(Fascism is not a collectivist ideology. It’s the opposite.)

Nope.

Wrong.

Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual.

https://education.cfr.org/learn/reading ... 5zEALw_wcB
That IS Collectivism.

Mussolini, who was the OG facist, called it collectivist.

Fascism is the name Benito Mussolini chose for his movement and later it was applied to similar movements elsewhere. Mussolini came from a socialist revolutionary family that named him after Benito Jaurez, the Mexican revolutionary. He grew up as a socialist and maintained his belief in the efficacy of socialism until the end of his life. He undoubtedly considered Fascism as just a variant, if not of socialism at least of collectivism, that was nationalistic. The internationalist socialists expelled him when he advocated for nationalistic reasons the entry of Italy into World War I.

https://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/fascismnature.htm

Buzz….wrong. That’s just a redux like the Nazi Party describing themselves as “national socialists.” Hey! Did you know North Korea is a “Democratic People’s Republic ”?

Giovanni Gentile, Mussolini, and Hitler hated the Marxists/socialists, finding them only a temporary means to an end. They first tried to convert workers away from socialism to join their nationalistic and xenophobic parties. But once they had used the industrialists (Germany) and syndicalists (Italy) to consolidate power, any trappings of class warfare or social democracy fell aside.

Fascism can be a mass movement with consolidated power held by the state but it is not a democratic or freedom loving one.

Trump’s economic policy proposals including tax cuts on corporations and the rich along with union busting absolutely do not represent socialist-workers type movements. They’re in fact, the opposite.

This is why Musk, Thiel, Bezos, etc. are cheerleading for him.

[UNI88]

Lol the NYT has LOST IT. Gone full blown TDS.

The headline might be over the top but you can't reasonably argue that he didn't say those things.

[UNI88]

(I meant to post the 3 tweets about the MSG event in this thread, not the Memes thread so replied here).

This wasn’t a convention and I’d like to think you know what the pic I posted was from.

There was zero attempt to court undecided voters here. Just a dog whistle for MAGA. Weird.

Yes I know what the pic you posted was from.

It was no different than other rallies: meant to drive turnout. This one was just on a grander stage. And no Trump isn’t going to be even close in NY. But this was about driving turnout going for the popular vote. And to troll the left, which is clearly working. The left is becoming more and more unhinged with their ‘Trump is Hitler’ lol.

I guess doneOLD is unhinged with repeatedly calling harris a Marxist, communist, fascist, socialist ...

[kalm]

Lol the NYT has LOST IT. Gone full blown TDS.

The headline might be over the top but you can't reasonably argue that he didn't say those things.

He literally said those things. Are we not to believe him? Or how do we tell when he’s serious about policy and not just “owning the libs” and joshin’ us?

Can MAGA tell or does it even matter to them?

Serious wuestion.

[kalm]

(I meant to post the 3 tweets about the MSG event in this thread, not the Memes thread so replied here).

This wasn’t a convention and I’d like to think you know what the pic I posted was from.

There was zero attempt to court undecided voters here. Just a dog whistle for MAGA. Weird.

Yes I know what the pic you posted was from.

It was no different than other rallies: meant to drive turnout. This one was just on a grander stage. And no Trump isn’t going to be even close in NY. But this was about driving turnout going for the popular vote. And to troll the left, which is clearly working. The left is becoming more and more unhinged with their ‘Trump is Hitler’ lol.

Yep. Except he needs indies and for the far left to stay home more than he needs MAGA to be engaged. So making yourself look unhinged doesn’t help in this regard. There’s a ceiling to MAGA.

The choice for indies boils down to radical change promised by Trump versus big government illiberal control. The choice for the far left is the status quo of establishment Dems not listening to progressive policy demands vs. the fascist and Nazi adjacent Cheetogenes, the Elder.

Fail.

[BDKJMU]

Nope.

Wrong.

https://education.cfr.org/learn/reading ... 5zEALw_wcB
That IS Collectivism.

Mussolini, who was the OG facist, called it collectivist.

https://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/fascismnature.htm

Buzz….wrong. That’s just a redux like the Nazi Party describing themselves as “national socialists.” Hey! Did you know North Korea is a “Democratic People’s Republic ”?

Giovanni Gentile, Mussolini, and Hitler hated the Marxists/socialists, finding them only a temporary means to an end. They first tried to convert workers away from socialism to join their nationalistic and xenophobic parties. But once they had used the industrialists (Germany) and syndicalists (Italy) to consolidate power, any trappings of class warfare or social democracy fell aside.

Fascism can be a mass movement with consolidated power held by the state but it is not a democratic or freedom loving one.

Trump’s economic policy proposals including tax cuts on corporations and the rich along with union busting absolutely do not represent socialist-workers type movements. They’re in fact, the opposite.

This is why Musk, Thiel, Bezos, etc. are cheerleading for him.

Buzz wrong. Facism is the antithesis of individual rights. It is collectivist. Not like Marxism/communism, but collectivist nonetheless. I provided links to back that up. You provided none to refute it.

[kalm]

Buzz….wrong. That’s just a redux like the Nazi Party describing themselves as “national socialists.” Hey! Did you know North Korea is a “Democratic People’s Republic ”?

Giovanni Gentile, Mussolini, and Hitler hated the Marxists/socialists, finding them only a temporary means to an end. They first tried to convert workers away from socialism to join their nationalistic and xenophobic parties. But once they had used the industrialists (Germany) and syndicalists (Italy) to consolidate power, any trappings of class warfare or social democracy fell aside.

Fascism can be a mass movement with consolidated power held by the state but it is not a democratic or freedom loving one.

Trump’s economic policy proposals including tax cuts on corporations and the rich along with union busting absolutely do not represent socialist-workers type movements. They’re in fact, the opposite.

This is why Musk, Thiel, Bezos, etc. are cheerleading for him.

Buzz wrong. Facism is the antithesis of individual rights. It is collectivist. Not like Marxism/communism, but collectivist nonetheless. I provided links to back that up. You provided none to refute it.

Yes. Fascism is indeed the antithesis of individual rights. Thank you.

That does not make it collectivist in any political or historical sense of the word, academically or in practice. We have actual history about this.

Both extreme ends of the political spectrum can be rights crushing authoritarians.

This doesn’t require links. This is your mountain to climb.

‘The collectivist Nazi’s fought the socialist Russians…over freedom…or something’.

[BDKJMU]

Buzz wrong. Facism is the antithesis of individual rights. It is collectivist. Not like Marxism/communism, but collectivist nonetheless. I provided links to back that up. You provided none to refute it.

Yes. Fascism is indeed the antithesis of individual rights. Thank you.

That does not make it collectivist in any political or historical sense of the word, academically or in practice. We have actual history about this.

Both extreme ends of the political spectrum can be rights crushing authoritarians.

This doesn’t require links. This is your mountain to climb.

‘The collectivist Nazi’s fought the socialist Russians…over freedom…or something’.

Wrong. I have already climbed the mtn. I provided evidence that facism is a collectivist ideology. You have provided none. Show me links where it is stated facism is NOT a collectivist ideology.

[Bobcat]

Lol the NYT has LOST IT. Gone full blown TDS.

The headline might be over the top but you can't reasonably argue that he didn't say those things.

I am voted for him because he BETTER do those things.

[Bobcat]

The KKK rally in 1992 when the DNC held its NATIONAL convention at MSG was slightly better, than yesterdays rally.

[UNI88]

It's Quora so take it with a grain of salt ...

Mussolini said that fascism is collectivist. How can it be right-wing and collectivist?

Read Mussolini’s words:

“The theory of Fascist authority has nothing to do with the police State. A party that governs a nation in a totalitarian way is a new fact in history. References and comparisons are not possible. Fascism takes over from the ruins of Liberal Socialistic democratic doctrines those elements which still have a living value. It preserves those that can be called the established facts of history, it rejects all the rest, that is to say the idea of a doctrine which holds good for all times and all peoples. If it is admitted that the nineteenth century has been the century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy, it does not follow that the twentieth must also be the century of Liberalism, Socialism and Democracy. Political doctrines pass; peoples remain. It is to be expected that this century may be that of authority, a century of the "Right," a Fascist century. If the nineteenth was the century of the individual it may be expected that this one may be the century of "collectivism" and therefore the century of the State. . . . The doctrine itself, therefore, must be, not words, but an act of life. hence, the pragmatic veins in Fascism, its will to power, its will to be, its attitude in the face of the fact of "violence" and of its own courage.”

Mussolini is referring to collectivism in terms of its relation and obeisance to the State, not Communist collectivism.

Fascism prioritizes loyalty to the state over loyalty to the proletariat.

[kalm]

Buzz….wrong. That’s just a redux like the Nazi Party describing themselves as “national socialists.” Hey! Did you know North Korea is a “Democratic People’s Republic ”?

Giovanni Gentile, Mussolini, and Hitler hated the Marxists/socialists, finding them only a temporary means to an end. They first tried to convert workers away from socialism to join their nationalistic and xenophobic parties. But once they had used the industrialists (Germany) and syndicalists (Italy) to consolidate power, any trappings of class warfare or social democracy fell aside.

Fascism can be a mass movement with consolidated power held by the state but it is not a democratic or freedom loving one.

Trump’s economic policy proposals including tax cuts on corporations and the rich along with union busting absolutely do not represent socialist-workers type movements. They’re in fact, the opposite.

This is why Musk, Thiel, Bezos, etc. are cheerleading for him.

Buzz wrong. Facism is the antithesis of individual rights. It is collectivist. Not like Marxism/communism, but collectivist nonetheless. I provided links to back that up. You provided none to refute it.

You provided two opinions pieces that match your own. Nothing more. You’re like Trump calling Harris a marxistsocialistcommiefascist.

Now…run along and read some more. If you can manage a little open-mindedness you’ll eventually figure this all out. I’m not gonna be your history professor explaining the obvious much longer.

[Bobcat]

If you guys want fascism so much you should move somewhere that appreciates it like you two clowns.

[kalm]

It's Quora so take it with a grain of salt ...

Mussolini said that fascism is collectivist. How can it be right-wing and collectivist?

Read Mussolini’s words:

“The theory of Fascist authority has nothing to do with the police State. A party that governs a nation in a totalitarian way is a new fact in history. References and comparisons are not possible. Fascism takes over from the ruins of Liberal Socialistic democratic doctrines those elements which still have a living value. It preserves those that can be called the established facts of history, it rejects all the rest, that is to say the idea of a doctrine which holds good for all times and all peoples. If it is admitted that the nineteenth century has been the century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy, it does not follow that the twentieth must also be the century of Liberalism, Socialism and Democracy. Political doctrines pass; peoples remain. It is to be expected that this century may be that of authority, a century of the "Right," a Fascist century. If the nineteenth was the century of the individual it may be expected that this one may be the century of "collectivism" and therefore the century of the State. . . . The doctrine itself, therefore, must be, not words, but an act of life. hence, the pragmatic veins in Fascism, its will to power, its will to be, its attitude in the face of the fact of "violence" and of its own courage.”

Mussolini is referring to collectivism in terms of its relation and obeisance to the State, not Communist collectivism.

Fascism prioritizes loyalty to the state over loyalty to the proletariat.

Thank you.

[UNI88]

If you guys want fascism so much you should move somewhere that appreciates it like you two clowns.

Heads I move to florida, tails I move to texas.

[Bobcat]

You can support the cultures of hate anywhere you want, but if it was me I would move somewhere that supports it, instead of fighting everyday but you do you. Its America we dont want to control who you hate, thats your agenda

[Bobcat]

If you guys want fascism so much you should move somewhere that appreciates it like you two clowns.

Heads I move to florida, tails I move to texas.

They are turning blue, haven't you heard!!!

[Bobcat]

Funny, the only real racist in this race is Kamala Harris.

Her family fucking owned slaves, they beat and sold them but not a word from the media.

EAD

[UNI88]

Funny, the only real racist in this race is Kamala Harris.

Her family fucking owned slaves, they beat and sold them but not a word from the media.

EAD

Was harris' mother or father ever arrested during a Ku Klux Klan (KKK) rally?

[Bobcat]

Funny, the only real racist in this race is Kamala Harris.

Her family fucking owned slaves, they beat and sold them but not a word from the media.

EAD

Was harris' mother or father ever arrested during a Ku Klux Klan (KKK) rally?

Wouldn't know, the media doesn't cover that. Even if they were it would get buried

Don't think I didn't notice your "but Trump" yet again

[Bobcat]

The left approves of this, they want/need someone to kill him. Liberals always want late term abortions to be legal

This is the rhetoric of the left, the hate and needs to be dealt with, with prison time just like they did to Jan 6th protesters

[kalm]

The left approves of this, they want/need someone to kill him. Liberals always want late term abortions to be legal

This is the rhetoric of the left, the hate and needs to be dealt with, with prison time just like they did to Jan 6th protesters

It’s freedom of speech from a country who knows a thing or two about who the bad guys are.

Why do you hate freedom of speech?

[Bobcat]

I dont.

I was just pointing out the dangerous rhetoric that the left does when they want to kill someone. Not once did I ever say anything about the right to say it. Just like the mostly peaceful protesters on Jan 6th the people doing this need to have some consequences for their actions.

If Trump doenst go after them he can fuck off too, we just want consistency

[BDKJMU]

Buzz wrong. Facism is the antithesis of individual rights. It is collectivist. Not like Marxism/communism, but collectivist nonetheless. I provided links to back that up. You provided none to refute it.

You provided two opinions pieces that match your own. Nothing more. You’re like Trump calling Harris a marxistsocialistcommiefascist.

Now…run along and read some more. If you can manage a little open-mindedness you’ll eventually figure this all out. I’m not gonna be your history professor explaining the obvious much longer.

Two more than you have. All you have provided is your own opinion. Next thing you know you’re going to try to argue than Trump is Hitler like.

Provide evidence or take the L.

[UNI88]

The left approves of this, they want/need someone to kill him. Liberals always want late term abortions to be legal

This is the rhetoric of the left, the hate and needs to be dealt with, with prison time just like they did to Jan 6th protesters

To paraphrase SeattleDingleberry ...

Bitch please. Go fuck yourself and then open a history book. You're uninformed and unhinged rantings match perfectly with the MAQA yahoo talking points. Just like 2020 election was stolen. You'd think that you had learned a lesson by trotting out bullshit, but apparently not.

This is no more likely to put doneOLD at risk than him calling harris a "Marxist, Communist, Fascist, Socialist" is putting her at risk. Only a chickenshit snowflake thinks otherwise.