One party had a detailed plan investing tens of billion into retraining Americans for 21st century jobs.SDHornet wrote:You realize that is what killed the Rust Belt and what ultimately cost hilldog the election right?
Oh the irony of the left advocating for such nonsense.
Big picture, Trip. As the world's biggest economic power, we should not be dependent on anyone else in any category, especially when it is because of financial manipulation by our trading partners.∞∞∞ wrote:One party had a detailed plan investing tens of billion into retraining Americans for 21st century jobs.SDHornet wrote:You realize that is what killed the Rust Belt and what ultimately cost hilldog the election right?
Oh the irony of the left advocating for such nonsense.
The other said they'll bring back outdated 20th century jobs, and MAGA!
Adaptation is key to survival. See Pittsburgh.
Gee, thanks for the coaching, Simon Sinek!CAA Flagship wrote:Several important things I learned from my work experiences over the years:kalm wrote:
He wants Trump to fail but I don’t think he wants the country to.
Did you see the Trump v. Jimmy Fallon faux controversy? Trump’s penchant for lying sends many honest people over the ledge and i think JSO is a very honest person.
1. Tell people "why". Explain the reason for your statement.
2. Make sure your decisions are defendable.
3. Focus on what really matters. (Don't get tangled in the noise)
4. .....
Those are the top 3. #1 also applies to coaching sports. People tend to grasp the idea better if presented with the "why". #2 is what I have been raising my sons (SONS) on. I tell them to picture themselves having to explain their actions in front of authority (parent, teacher, boss, police, etc.) before you act. #3 comes from the consulting business where time is money. This is mastered with experience. Knowing what is more important and what is less important is the key. Mastering this will increase your effectiveness.
#3 is where many people, especially JSO, fail. Trump's little lies, misstatements, etc. don't matter nearly as much as the policy results. I happen to like the issues Trump is focused on. Do I like the way he goes about addressing them? Not completely. But that is peanuts compared to the importance of getting the issues corrected/resolved/improved.
<steps down from soap box>
Exactly.CAA Flagship wrote:Big picture, Trip. As the world's biggest economic power, we should not be dependent on anyone else in any category, especially when it is because of financial manipulation by our trading partners.∞∞∞ wrote: One party had a detailed plan investing tens of billion into retraining Americans for 21st century jobs.
The other said they'll bring back outdated 20th century jobs, and MAGA!
Adaptation is key to survival. See Pittsburgh.
The United States is only made up of 330 million people, and the working class in any first-world society is typically ~35% of the population...so lets go with 115 million working adults.CAA Flagship wrote:Big picture, Trip. As the world's biggest economic power, we should not be dependent on anyone else in any category, especially when it is because of financial manipulation by our trading partners.∞∞∞ wrote: One party had a detailed plan investing tens of billion into retraining Americans for 21st century jobs.
The other said they'll bring back outdated 20th century jobs, and MAGA!
Adaptation is key to survival. See Pittsburgh.
Trading for natural resources, goods and services you can produce domestically is wealth transfer from bottom to top and from the domestic economy, abroad. It is also amoral from a labor and environmental standpoint.∞∞∞ wrote:The United States is only made 330 million people, and the working class in any society is typically ~35% of the population...so lets go with 115 million adults.CAA Flagship wrote: Big picture, Trip. As the world's biggest economic power, we should not be dependent on anyone else in any category, especially when it is because of financial manipulation by our trading partners.
So if you want to be independent in all categories, you need the appropriate workforce. If that's the case, you need to bring in lots of new, likely unskilled and low-educated immigrants. But Americans don't want that.
So to continue production capacity, American companies need to shift facilities to cheaper nations and/or increase the use or robots. But Americans don't want that.
So the other option is focus on retraining for innovative, 21st century jobs and limit yourself in what can produce. But apparently Americans don't want that.
So the other option is closing off the borders, producing everything with limited capacity and increased prices in all sectors. Americans kinda want that?
And then there's two radical ideas. The first is war and simply taking over other resources (doubt Americans care for that). The other is letting robots do ALL work while Americans enjoy a universal basic-income based on the total gross domestic product of US manufacturing. Any non-robotic jobs is extra income for those working them. But that's a tough social contract to sell since it goes against everything capitalism believes in.
Either way, the math limits what we can and can't do. We're not as large as China or India; so either people start procreating or we pick which path we want to go on. But we can't simply lead in the financial sector and the manufacturing sector and the energy sector and the transportation sector and the arms sector and the technology sector and the agricultural sector and the natural resources sector and every other sector. The numbers just don't add up, unless we're willing to add the numbers.
Trip says that economically, we are being left behind. Maybe we should invest in ourselves...just in case.CAA Flagship wrote:Big picture, Trip. As the world's biggest economic power, we should not be dependent on anyone else in any category, especially when it is because of financial manipulation by our trading partners.∞∞∞ wrote: One party had a detailed plan investing tens of billion into retraining Americans for 21st century jobs.
The other said they'll bring back outdated 20th century jobs, and MAGA!
Adaptation is key to survival. See Pittsburgh.
You're right. We're not China or India. We don't have to feed and cloth and house and employ 1.5 billion people. A few less coffee shops and a few more engineers and we could lead in all those sectors and supply everything we as Americans need. PLUS feed half the world. Your argument (as usual) makes no sense.∞∞∞ wrote:The United States is only made up of 330 million people, and the working class in any first-world society is typically ~35% of the population...so lets go with 115 million working adults.CAA Flagship wrote: Big picture, Trip. As the world's biggest economic power, we should not be dependent on anyone else in any category, especially when it is because of financial manipulation by our trading partners.
So if you want to be independent in all categories, you need the appropriate workforce. If that's the case, you need to bring in lots of new, likely unskilled and low-educated immigrants. But Americans don't want that.
So to continue production capacity, American companies need to shift facilities to cheaper nations and/or increase the use or robots. But Americans don't want that.
So the other option is focus on retraining for innovative, 21st century jobs and limit yourself in what can produce. But apparently Americans don't want that.
So the other option is closing off the borders, producing everything with limited capacity and increased prices in all sectors. Americans kinda want that?
And then there's two radical ideas. The first is war and simply taking over other resources (doubt Americans care for that). The other is letting robots do ALL work while Americans enjoy a universal basic-income based on the total gross domestic product of US manufacturing. Any non-robotic jobs is extra income for those working them. But that's a tough social contract to sell since it goes against everything capitalism believes in.
Either way, the math limits what we can do. We're not as large as China or India; so either people start procreating or we pick which path we want to go on. But we can't simply lead in the financial sector and the manufacturing sector and the energy sector and the transportation sector and the arms sector and the technology sector and the agricultural sector and the natural resources sector and every other sector. The numbers just don't add up, unless we're willing to add the numbers.
But it takes a will and commitment, from Americans, to actually better themselves.AZGrizFan wrote:You're right. We're not China or India. We don't have to feed and cloth and house and employ 1.5 billion people. A few less coffee shops and a few more engineers and we could lead in all those sectors and supply everything we as Americans need. PLUS feed half the world. Your argument (as usual) makes no sense.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trum ... SKBN1D14G0When Mike Sylvester entered a career training center earlier this year in southwestern Pennsylvania, he found more than 100 federally funded courses covering everything from computer programming to nursing.
He settled instead on something familiar: a coal-mining course.
"I think there is a coal comeback," the 33-year-old son of a miner said.
Jesus H. Tittyfucking Christ you argue like a 12 year old girl. Nobody...and I mean NOBODY is getting upset because "brown people" are using ESTABLISHED VISA PROGRAMS and coming here to be doctors, dentists, professionals, engineers. comparing that to what's going on at the border is like comparing apples and beer farts. You are literally creating angst and a problem where none exists.∞∞∞ wrote:But it takes a will and commitment, from Americans, to actually better themselves.AZGrizFan wrote:You're right. We're not China or India. We don't have to feed and cloth and house and employ 1.5 billion people. A few less coffee shops and a few more engineers and we could lead in all those sectors and supply everything we as Americans need. PLUS feed half the world. Your argument (as usual) makes no sense.
If my job is gone and someone offers me a free education to train myself into a growing, high-paying sector where careers are available NOW, I'm taking that offer. But Americans being left behind have no one left to blame but themselves:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trum ... SKBN1D14G0When Mike Sylvester entered a career training center earlier this year in southwestern Pennsylvania, he found more than 100 federally funded courses covering everything from computer programming to nursing.
He settled instead on something familiar: a coal-mining course.
"I think there is a coal comeback," the 33-year-old son of a miner said.
Translation: "I don't want to learn in order to help my family and my town and my nation."
This stubbornness is exactly why there are visa programs designed to bring in talented immigrants to be their doctors, dentists, technical professionals, engineers, etc.
And then the stubborn locals get upset because "the brown people are stealing our jobs!"
From that same article:AZGrizFan wrote:Oh, and that guy? Mike Sylvester? I believe they call that "anecdotal evidence".
The Pennsylvania Department of Labor has received about $2 million since 2015 from the federal POWER program, an initiative of former President Barack Obama to help retrain workers in coal-dependent areas. But the state is having trouble putting even that modest amount of money to good use.
In Greene and Washington counties, 120 people have signed up for jobs retraining outside the mines, far short of the target of 700, said Ami Gatts, director of the Washington-Greene County Job Training Agency. In Westmoreland and Fayette counties, participation in federal job retraining programs has been about 15 percent of capacity, officials said.
“I can’t even get them to show up for free food I set up in the office,” said Dave Serock, an ex-miner who recruits in Fayette County for Southwest Training Services.
Programs administered by the Appalachian Regional Commission, a federal and state partnership to strengthen the region’s economy, have had similar struggles. One $1.4 million ARC project to teach laid-off miners in Greene County and in West Virginia computer coding has signed up only 20 people for 95 slots. Not a single worker has enrolled in another program launched this summer to prepare ex-miners to work in the natural gas sector, officials said.
I did return from New Years break at a job, and found several people from India sitting in our work area. Large company, technical job, good pay. We were told our area was going to be off-shored by a company from India, and we had 3 months to train them. In this case, they brought in talented technical professionals at a lower pay rate to replace American workers that had the same skills. We received nice severance packages, and it wasn't that hard to find new jobs, but they are not always the immigrant field and factory workers the left is telling us about.∞∞∞ wrote: This stubbornness is exactly why there are visa programs designed to bring in talented immigrants to be their doctors, dentists, technical professionals, engineers, etc.
And then the stubborn locals get upset because "the brown people are stealing our jobs!"
Technical people lose their jobs too. I fully expect to lose mine at some point in life, probably to someone overseas. And good for them, they competed me out of the market with lower prices. And if I can't find another in my field, I'll retrain myself for something that's in-demand. Or move to where I can support myself.Gil Dobie wrote:I did return from New Years break at a job, and found several people from India sitting in our work area. Large company, technical job, good pay. We were told our area was going to be off-shored by a company from India, and we had 3 months to train them. In this case, they brought in talented technical professionals at a lower pay rate to replace American workers that had the same skills. We received nice severance packages, and it wasn't that hard to find new jobs, but they are not always the immigrant field and factory workers the left is telling us about.∞∞∞ wrote: This stubbornness is exactly why there are visa programs designed to bring in talented immigrants to be their doctors, dentists, technical professionals, engineers, etc.
And then the stubborn locals get upset because "the brown people are stealing our jobs!"
Is the company you're talking about run by Americans, is it an American company with a stock..?Gil Dobie wrote:I did return from New Years break at a job, and found several people from India sitting in our work area. Large company, technical job, good pay. We were told our area was going to be off-shored by a company from India, and we had 3 months to train them. In this case, they brought in talented technical professionals at a lower pay rate to replace American workers that had the same skills. We received nice severance packages, and it wasn't that hard to find new jobs, but they are not always the immigrant field and factory workers the left is telling us about.∞∞∞ wrote: This stubbornness is exactly why there are visa programs designed to bring in talented immigrants to be their doctors, dentists, technical professionals, engineers, etc.
And then the stubborn locals get upset because "the brown people are stealing our jobs!"
So? Are they still mining coal there? Maybe those folks already found other jobs? Maybe they've got enough set aside they don't need to work? Maybe they won the lottery? Maybe they don't like computers? Maybe they've turned to a life of crime?∞∞∞ wrote:From that same article:AZGrizFan wrote:Oh, and that guy? Mike Sylvester? I believe they call that "anecdotal evidence".
The Pennsylvania Department of Labor has received about $2 million since 2015 from the federal POWER program, an initiative of former President Barack Obama to help retrain workers in coal-dependent areas. But the state is having trouble putting even that modest amount of money to good use.
In Greene and Washington counties, 120 people have signed up for jobs retraining outside the mines, far short of the target of 700, said Ami Gatts, director of the Washington-Greene County Job Training Agency. In Westmoreland and Fayette counties, participation in federal job retraining programs has been about 15 percent of capacity, officials said.
“I can’t even get them to show up for free food I set up in the office,” said Dave Serock, an ex-miner who recruits in Fayette County for Southwest Training Services.
Programs administered by the Appalachian Regional Commission, a federal and state partnership to strengthen the region’s economy, have had similar struggles. One $1.4 million ARC project to teach laid-off miners in Greene County and in West Virginia computer coding has signed up only 20 people for 95 slots. Not a single worker has enrolled in another program launched this summer to prepare ex-miners to work in the natural gas sector, officials said.
American company with a stock. It's motivated by bottom line and officer bonuses.Chizzang wrote:Is the company you're talking about run by Americans, is it an American company with a stock..?Gil Dobie wrote:
I did return from New Years break at a job, and found several people from India sitting in our work area. Large company, technical job, good pay. We were told our area was going to be off-shored by a company from India, and we had 3 months to train them. In this case, they brought in talented technical professionals at a lower pay rate to replace American workers that had the same skills. We received nice severance packages, and it wasn't that hard to find new jobs, but they are not always the immigrant field and factory workers the left is telling us about.
Or is it a company based out of India
The structure of programs like this and welfare programs in general are part of the problem too. We make it too easy for these people to live so they have no incentive to go to training or get jobs. I don't have a problem with welfare in general as it is a needed safety net. But it should not be a way of life.∞∞∞ wrote:But it takes a will and commitment, from Americans, to actually better themselves.AZGrizFan wrote:You're right. We're not China or India. We don't have to feed and cloth and house and employ 1.5 billion people. A few less coffee shops and a few more engineers and we could lead in all those sectors and supply everything we as Americans need. PLUS feed half the world. Your argument (as usual) makes no sense.
If my job is gone and someone offers me a free education to train myself into a growing, high-paying sector where careers are available NOW, I'm taking that offer. But Americans being left behind have no one but themselves to blame:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trum ... SKBN1D14G0When Mike Sylvester entered a career training center earlier this year in southwestern Pennsylvania, he found more than 100 federally funded courses covering everything from computer programming to nursing.
He settled instead on something familiar: a coal-mining course.
"I think there is a coal comeback," the 33-year-old son of a miner said.
Translation: "I don't want to learn in order to help my family and my town and my nation."
This stubbornness is exactly why there are visa programs designed to bring in talented immigrants to be their doctors, dentists, technical professionals, engineers, etc.
And then the stubborn locals get upset because "the brown people are stealing our jobs!"
And then there's this.HI54UNI wrote:The structure of programs like this and welfare programs in general are part of the problem too. We make it too easy for these people to live so they have no incentive to go to training or get jobs. I don't have a problem with welfare in general as it is a needed safety net. But it should not be a way of life.∞∞∞ wrote: But it takes a will and commitment, from Americans, to actually better themselves.
If my job is gone and someone offers me a free education to train myself into a growing, high-paying sector where careers are available NOW, I'm taking that offer. But Americans being left behind have no one but themselves to blame:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trum ... SKBN1D14G0
Translation: "I don't want to learn in order to help my family and my town and my nation."
This stubbornness is exactly why there are visa programs designed to bring in talented immigrants to be their doctors, dentists, technical professionals, engineers, etc.
And then the stubborn locals get upset because "the brown people are stealing our jobs!"
Reminds me of an interview on TV a while back. A person was complaining that they might make him work with the street maintenance crew while he was laid off and on Work Comp.AZGrizFan wrote:And then there's this.HI54UNI wrote:
The structure of programs like this and welfare programs in general are part of the problem too. We make it too easy for these people to live so they have no incentive to go to training or get jobs. I don't have a problem with welfare in general as it is a needed safety net. But it should not be a way of life.
There were no flames spreading through the House before Trump got elected. To answer your question: The FBI is one institution he is attacking. He is also attacking the free press. The free press is not perfect, but it is extremely important. It is self-correcting. It is not, overall, "fake news." The mainstream media are WAY more reliable than Trump is. Or Fox News is. Or Breitbart is. Or Rush Limbaugh is. Etc. Trump started off early in his campaign trying to discredit the free press because he knows he's got a lot of skeletons. It's important to him that, when the free press tells the truth about him, people do not believe the truth. That is what's going on.CAA Flagship wrote:What institutions? The FBI? The CIA? The VA? Amazon? Some negative statements may be true, and some may not be true. Same goes with his positive statements - some true, some not true. But it's all bullshit. It does not affect me. It's not the most important thing going forward. That's not to say I like the lies, but I'm not worried about what hat I'm wearing while watching flames spread throughout my house.JohnStOnge wrote:It's not "little" lies on Trump's part. There are some pretty big lies involved in his attacks on the institutions that protect us from Autocracy/Totalitarianism. And I am not rooting for the country to fail. I am rooting for whatever is necessary to happen to create a situation in which the Democrats will be in control of at least one House of Congress so there will be SOME check on Trumps attack on those institutions. That's because that's what would be best for this country.
BTW, lying about the likely impacts of a tax cut is a pretty big lie too.
Wow. You really HAVE drunk the koolaid. You have just completely discredited yourself from this point forward.JohnStOnge wrote:There were no flames spreading through the House before Trump got elected. To answer your question: The FBI is one institution he is attacking. He is also attacking the free press. The free press is not perfect, but it is extremely important. It is self-correcting. It is not, overall, "fake news." The mainstream media are WAY more reliable than Trump is. Or Fox News is. Or Breitbart is. Or Rush Limbaugh is. Etc. Trump started off early in his campaign trying to discredit the free press because he knows he's got a lot of skeletons. It's important to him that, when the free press tells the truth about him, people do not believe the truth. That is what's going on.CAA Flagship wrote: What institutions? The FBI? The CIA? The VA? Amazon? Some negative statements may be true, and some may not be true. Same goes with his positive statements - some true, some not true. But it's all bullshit. It does not affect me. It's not the most important thing going forward. That's not to say I like the lies, but I'm not worried about what hat I'm wearing while watching flames spread throughout my house.
The idea of "fake news" Trump is proffering is absurd. What's "fake" is Trump.
So does campaigning on removing/reducing regulations and then doing so once in office not count? Any possibility that the regulations that were reduced/removed played into the recent economic boost? Or as JSO claims was it all Obomba's doing?∞∞∞ wrote:One party had a detailed plan investing tens of billion into retraining Americans for 21st century jobs.SDHornet wrote:You realize that is what killed the Rust Belt and what ultimately cost hilldog the election right?
Oh the irony of the left advocating for such nonsense.
The other said they'll bring back outdated 20th century jobs, and MAGA!
Adaptation is key to survival. See Pittsburgh.
No JSO did that over a year ago, actually it happened not long after Trump won...like within days if not hours of the Trump win.AZGrizFan wrote:Wow. You really HAVE drunk the koolaid. You have just completely discredited yourself from this point forward.JohnStOnge wrote:
There were no flames spreading through the House before Trump got elected. To answer your question: The FBI is one institution he is attacking. He is also attacking the free press. The free press is not perfect, but it is extremely important. It is self-correcting. It is not, overall, "fake news." The mainstream media are WAY more reliable than Trump is. Or Fox News is. Or Breitbart is. Or Rush Limbaugh is. Etc. Trump started off early in his campaign trying to discredit the free press because he knows he's got a lot of skeletons. It's important to him that, when the free press tells the truth about him, people do not believe the truth. That is what's going on.
The idea of "fake news" Trump is proffering is absurd. What's "fake" is Trump.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/39 ... 47-percentPresident Trump's approval rating has ticked up to 47 percent in the new Harvard CAPS/Harris poll released exclusively to The Hill, a 2 point hike from last month.
Trump's approval rating was lifted in part by a 10 point climb among Hispanic voters. His approval rating rose by 6 points among Republicans and by 4 points among Democrats compared to last month’s poll. According to the same poll, Trump's approval rating reached its highest point last year, at 49 percent.
Fifty-nine percent of Americans approve of the way the government is handling its relationship with North Korea, and three-quarters backed Trump’s decision to take a meeting with Kim.
“[I’m] surprised that given the misstep on immigration that the president’s approval is holding steady or even increasing on the strength of the economy and the success of North Korea," said Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll co-director Mark Penn. "He is holding his base and doing particularly well with men."
