Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

[AZGrizFan]

Instances like this make you wonder whether parts of the Patriot Act were all bad - I'm all about first amendment and the right against unlawful search and seizure, but lives are sometimes lost by not acting on info in your grasp.

Or, we could just outlaw handgun ownership since we're deciding to have a fire sale on our constitutionally guaranteed rights....they're are certainly more people who exercise thy're right to privacy than exercise they're right to own a gun, so shouldn't we impact the least amount of people when "voluntarily" giving up our rights to feel safe?

FAIL


I can't kill an intruder with my privacy.

[JoltinJoe]

I'm not entitled to take pride in the heroism of a Munley?

I know, just hadn't fokked with you in a while since I've grown weary of D1B's redundant threads attacking your religion....

I know it seems strange to have such pride just because she has the same name. But the Munleys have always been heroic, just more quietly. I never met my grandfather. He died from black lung when my mom was three. He started as a breaker-boy in the coal mines of NE Pa when he was just a kid, and so he was a coal miner for all his life. He gave his life trying to provide for his family during the depression. He was like the other Munleys in the family: sent to work in the mines as a young man, only to die before middle age from black lung.

I have never known a living male relative of my mother. They all gave their lives trying to provide for their loved ones. I am very proud to be a descedent of the Munleys, and I am grateful for what they allowed me to have in this country.

[ASUG8]

Instances like this make you wonder whether parts of the Patriot Act were all bad - I'm all about first amendment and the right against unlawful search and seizure, but lives are sometimes lost by not acting on info in your grasp.

Or, we could just outlaw handgun ownership since we're deciding to have a fire sale on our constitutionally guaranteed rights....they're are certainly more people who exercise thy're right to privacy than exercise they're right to own a gun, so shouldn't we impact the least amount of people when "voluntarily" giving up our rights to feel safe?

With Facebook, Myspace, and a bazillion other public blogs out there it doesn't exactly take a Phd in data mining to find the crazies. If you want total privacy, stay off the blogs and don't tell your 500 FB friends how much you hate Obama and the US. I don't think I advocated stripping Americans of their Constitutional rights, but I'll re-read my post.....

Nope, didn't imply it.

[Appaholic]

Or, we could just outlaw handgun ownership since we're deciding to have a fire sale on our constitutionally guaranteed rights....they're are certainly more people who exercise thy're right to privacy than exercise they're right to own a gun, so shouldn't we impact the least amount of people when "voluntarily" giving up our rights to feel safe?

FAIL


I can't kill an intruder with my privacy.

...and I shouldn't have to give up my privacy for the government to make you feel safer...

[Appaholic]

Or, we could just outlaw handgun ownership since we're deciding to have a fire sale on our constitutionally guaranteed rights....they're are certainly more people who exercise thy're right to privacy than exercise they're right to own a gun, so shouldn't we impact the least amount of people when "voluntarily" giving up our rights to feel safe?

With Facebook, Myspace, and a bazillion other public blogs out there it doesn't exactly take a Phd in data mining to find the crazies. If you want total privacy, stay off the blogs and don't tell your 500 FB friends how much you hate Obama and the US. I don't think I advocated stripping Americans of their Constitutional rights, but I'll re-read my post.....

Nope, didn't imply it.

Yeah, I misread what you were saying....certainly information offered on public sites should be used as any other investigative tool....& in the case of this idiot Hasan, he signed away his right to privacy the day he was commissioned an officer...

[AZGrizFan]

FAIL


I can't kill an intruder with my privacy.

...and I shouldn't have to give up my privacy for the government to make you feel safer...

Nope, but using "gun ownership" is a strawman argument.

[native]

Instances like this make you wonder whether parts of the Patriot Act were all bad - I'm all about first amendment and the right against unlawful search and seizure, but lives are sometimes lost by not acting on info in your grasp.

They just need to follow the law and get the warrant, so that there is a legal paper trail. With all the technology at our fingertips, speed should not be an issue.

[ASUG8]

Instances like this make you wonder whether parts of the Patriot Act were all bad - I'm all about first amendment and the right against unlawful search and seizure, but lives are sometimes lost by not acting on info in your grasp.

They just need to follow the law and get the warrant, so that there is a legal paper trail. With all the technology at our fingertips, speed should not be an issue.

Did I lose my PC cap for you, native?

[clenz]

FAIL


I can't kill an intruder with my privacy.

...and I shouldn't have to give up my privacy for the government to make you feel safer...

You realize that they didn't/don't listen to the average joe's phone calls, right? What part of listening to phone calls or reading e-mails has infringed on the way you live your daily life?

[Col Hogan]

...and I shouldn't have to give up my privacy for the government to make you feel safer...

You realize that they didn't/don't listen to the average joe's phone calls, right? What part of listening to phone calls or reading e-mails has infringed on the way you live your daily life?

How do you know that??? Under the un-Patriot Act, they don't have to tell you....they just do it...

[AZGrizFan]

You realize that they didn't/don't listen to the average joe's phone calls, right? What part of listening to phone calls or reading e-mails has infringed on the way you live your daily life?

How do you know that??? Under the un-Patriot Act, they don't have to tell you....they just do it...

Be careful what you say or type. The black SUV's will be showing up at your door any minute.

Remember: Just because you're a conspiracy theorist doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

[Col Hogan]

How do you know that??? Under the un-Patriot Act, they don't have to tell you....they just do it...

Be careful what you say or type. The black SUV's will be showing up at your door any minute.

Remember: Just because you're a conspiracy theorist doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

I do watch those SUVs that keep going around the block...strange antennas on them...

Seriously, I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist...look at the law, and what the feds can do...and tell me you feel the government doesn't have the ability to just snoop when they want to...too much power in the hands of politically motivated people...I'm glad Richard Nixon didn't have these powers when he was in office...

[Chizzang]

If true, heads should roll.

Political heads should roll, not bureaucratic heads!

By banning the use of the word "terrorist," attacking the intelligence agencies, downplaying the war on terror and encouraging a bureaucratic atmosphere of extreme political correctness, the responsibility lies squarely with the Obama administration and its allies.

The military's inability to manage it's own assets - soldiers - is Obama's fault...

[Col Hogan]

Political heads should roll, not bureaucratic heads!

By banning the use of the word "terrorist," attacking the intelligence agencies, downplaying the war on terror and encouraging a bureaucratic atmosphere of extreme political correctness, the responsibility lies squarely with the Obama administration and its allies.

The military's inability to manage it's own assets - soldiers - is Obama's fault...

Let's review the thread...an Executive Agency (CIA) apparently knew that a member of another Executive Agency (U.S. Army) may be attempting to communicate with a known terrorist organization...and they fail to notify the Army's counter-intelligence agency...

Yea....that's Obama's fault...both agencies work for him...

[Chizzang]

The military's inability to manage it's own assets - soldiers - is Obama's fault...

Let's review the thread...an Executive Agency (CIA) apparently knew that a member of another Executive Agency (U.S. Army) may be attempting to communicate with a known terrorist organization...and they fail to notify the Army's counter-intelligence agency...

Yea....that's Obama's fault...both agencies work for him...

So the president of the united states manages the day to day affairs of the Military and the CIA...
wow - he must be busy

[Col Hogan]

Let's review the thread...an Executive Agency (CIA) apparently knew that a member of another Executive Agency (U.S. Army) may be attempting to communicate with a known terrorist organization...and they fail to notify the Army's counter-intelligence agency...

Yea....that's Obama's fault...both agencies work for him...

So the president of the united states manages the day to day affairs of the Military and the CIA...
wow - he must be busy

He's responsible for both agencies...the Buck Stops Here, and all that stuff...

Or is it OK to simply blame lower level functionaries...

[Chizzang]

So the president of the united states manages the day to day affairs of the Military and the CIA...
wow - he must be busy

He's responsible for both agencies...the Buck Stops Here, and all that stuff...

Or is it OK to simply blame lower level functionaries...

So (with this hyper micromanagement logic) you're saying that 9/11 was 100% Bush's fault then...?
Hmmm. that's a dramatic opinion change from a while back - but okay if you insist

[Col Hogan]

He's responsible for both agencies...the Buck Stops Here, and all that stuff...

Or is it OK to simply blame lower level functionaries...

So (with this hyper micromanagement logic) you're saying that 9/11 was 100% Bush's fault then...?
Hmmm. that's a dramatic opinion change from a while back - but okay if you insist

So, you're OK with Obama simply turning his head when one of his agencies has information that could have helped another agency prevent 13 murders...Didn't he tell the CIA to share info...

I don't care what Happened with the federal agencies in the past...yes, I've said Bush was at fault for not listening to his counter-terrorism advisors...

Apparently Obama is doing the same thing....not listening to advise, this time the advise given by the 9-11 Commission...


Oh yea...I forgot...if Bush made a mistake, it's OK for Obama to make the same mistake...

[Chizzang]

So (with this hyper micromanagement logic) you're saying that 9/11 was 100% Bush's fault then...?
Hmmm. that's a dramatic opinion change from a while back - but okay if you insist

So, you're OK with Obama simply turning his head when one of his agencies has information that could have helped another agency prevent 13 murders...Didn't he tell the CIA to share info...

I don't care what Happened with the federal agencies in the past...yes, I've said Bush was at fault for not listening to his counter-terrorism advisors...

Apparently Obama is doing the same thing....not listening to advise, this time the advise given by the (-11 Commission...


Oh yea...I forgot...if Bush made a mistake, it's OK for Obama to make the same mistake...

So Obama was advised of the situation and then told the CIA to "do nothing"...he actively interefered with the CIA's process and said "do not investigate this person any further"

That's what you are saying..?
or am I understanding you wrong..?

[Col Hogan]

So, you're OK with Obama simply turning his head when one of his agencies has information that could have helped another agency prevent 13 murders...Didn't he tell the CIA to share info...

I don't care what Happened with the federal agencies in the past...yes, I've said Bush was at fault for not listening to his counter-terrorism advisors...

Apparently Obama is doing the same thing....not listening to advise, this time the advise given by the (-11 Commission...


Oh yea...I forgot...if Bush made a mistake, it's OK for Obama to make the same mistake...

So Obama was advised of the situation and then told the CIA to "do nothing"...he actively interefered with the CIA's process and said "do not investigate this person any further"

That's what you are saying..?
or am I understanding you wrong..?

If his agencies had done their job and prevented this...he'd have been out front of the news conference taking credit...

Why isn't he out front taking the blame???

[Chizzang]

So Obama was advised of the situation and then told the CIA to "do nothing"...he actively interefered with the CIA's process and said "do not investigate this person any further"

That's what you are saying..?
or am I understanding you wrong..?

If his agencies had done their job and prevented this...he'd have been out front of the news conference taking credit...

Why isn't he out front taking the blame???

Your BLIND hatred is showing...
Again: This guy was military property - and active grunt - owned and operated by the Military. The CIA is loaded with ineffective douche bags and has been for 30 years - No news there...

Army grunt goes nuts - Obama to blame...

Rush Limbaugh has a chair available on his advisory committee... you might want to get right on that

[Col Hogan]

If his agencies had done their job and prevented this...he'd have been out front of the news conference taking credit...

Why isn't he out front taking the blame???

Your BLIND hatred is showing...
Again: This guy was military property - and active grunt - owned and operated by the Military. The CIA is loaded with ineffective douche bags and has been for 30 years - No news there...

Army grunt goes nuts - Obama to blame...

Rush Limbaugh has a chair available on his advisory committee... you might want to get right on that

No, it's my acceptance of responsibility and duty that you refuse to see...

If I have people working for me and they screw the pooch...it's my responsibility...Bush and Obama both screwed the pooch when it came to handling intelligence...

Army grunt goes nuts...CIA had info they did not share...both work for Obama...why isn't he taking responsibility???

I'd say the same thing about Bush...Clinton...Bush...Reagan...

So put your "Limbaugh" boogeyman away...

[Chizzang]

Your BLIND hatred is showing...
Again: This guy was military property - and active grunt - owned and operated by the Military. The CIA is loaded with ineffective douche bags and has been for 30 years - No news there...

Army grunt goes nuts - Obama to blame...

Rush Limbaugh has a chair available on his advisory committee... you might want to get right on that

No, it's my acceptance of responsibility and duty that you refuse to see...

If I have people working for me and they screw the pooch...it's my responsibility...Bush and Obama both screwed the pooch when it came to handling intelligence...

Army grunt goes nuts...CIA had info they did not share...both work for Obama...why isn't he taking responsibility???

I'd say the same thing about Bush...Clinton...Bush...Reagan...

So put your "Limbaugh" boogeyman away...

Okee-Dokee
The president is responsible to a degree for every department within the federal government... in that regard we've never - in the History of the U.S.A. had a decent president... Not one



and yes you sound just like Rush Limbaugh

[Grizo406]

Not to get too far off topic here, but I just finish making some terrific chili in my crock pot!

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

So we have had an attack on US soil in the first year of the Obama presidency? Maybe Biden called it right after all.