Federal Jobs pay more than private, job by job comparison

[houndawg]

I'm pretty well hung, if that's what you're asking....

No, I'm wondering if you're blac or black.

What's blac?

[native]

I have a hard time believing you said such a thing in jest, dawg. Maybe you were drunk or high. I thought you had some inner decency. Maybe you should apologize and retract your statement.

Perhaps my humor is a little on the black side, Nathan, but apologize to who, exactly? No effing way, they were mercenaries, plain and simple, and they knew the rules and they were there only for the money and you know as well as I do that the grunts resent the fcvk out of their high salaries and lack of accountability. Don't even think about trying to put some patriotic spin on hired killers who mostly killed civilians and got paid $10,000 a month for it.

The Blackwater "mercs" were patriots who risked their lives protecting that convoy and were only a couple of years and a couple of tours away from the grunts who may or may not resented their pay and relative freedom but not the men themselves. They could have been making ten MILLION a month and not deserved the treatment they received. And they damm sure deserved more respect from you, no matter what you thought about them.

[houndawg]

Perhaps my humor is a little on the black side, Nathan, but apologize to who, exactly? No effing way, they were mercenaries, plain and simple, and they knew the rules and they were there only for the money and you know as well as I do that the grunts resent the fcvk out of their high salaries and lack of accountability. Don't even think about trying to put some patriotic spin on hired killers who mostly killed civilians and got paid $10,000 a month for it.

The Blackwater "mercs" were patriots who risked their lives protecting that convoy and were only a couple of years and a couple of tours away from the grunts who may or may not resented their pay and relative freedom but not the men themselves. They could have been making ten MILLION a month and not deserved the treatment they received. And they damm sure deserved more respect from you, no matter what you thought about them.

Boolsheet. They were there for money and nothing else. Many of them used their lack of accountability to get away with gratuitously killing civilians and each and every one of them is/was a disgrace to the uniform they once wore. Scum like that get paid very well in lieu of respect.

[bobbythekidd]

I'm with Hound on this one. They are high payed mercs. Nothing more.

[Appaholic]

I have a hard time believing you said such a thing in jest, dawg. Maybe you were drunk or high. I thought you had some inner decency. Maybe you should apologize and retract your statement.

Perhaps my humor is a little on the black side, Nathan, but apologize to who, exactly? No effing way, they were mercenaries, plain and simple, and they knew the rules and they were there only for the money and you know as well as I do that the grunts resent the fcvk out of their high salaries and lack of accountability. Don't even think about trying to put some patriotic spin on hired killers who mostly killed civilians and got paid $10,000 a month for it.

Gotta agree with dawg on this one...if the blackwaters guys were doing it out of patriotism, why leave the service?? No, they were chasing the buck...not a bad thing, but no more patriotic than the driver of a delivery truck who gets killed in a highway accident...

[native]

Shame on you knuckleheads. The Blackwater boys were patriots chasing a buck in a good cause, as were the contract truck drivers. They had already paid their dues in uniform, and they were NOT out-of-control nut jobs gratuitously killing civilians.

You turn your back on them because they took off their uniform and risked their lives in a cause you did not support?

With their skills, the Blackwater boys could have chosen any of a number of even higher paying illegitimate careers, but they did not. I suppose dawg would be happier if they had chosen to support drug cartels, considering his braggadoccio about his former doper days while serving on Fort Polk.

I still can't believe you are not outraged at the treatment of the Blackwater employees. If any American - even d1b or sad sack dawg - were treated the same way doing the same job, I would be equally outraged and standing up for you. Remind me not to trust any of you cynical, fickle buttheads with anything important.

[Appaholic]

Shame on you knuckleheads. The Blackwater boys were patriots chasing a buck in a good cause, as were the contract truck drivers. They had already paid their dues in uniform, and they were NOT out-of-control nut jobs gratuitously killing civilians.

You turn your back on them because they took off their uniform and risked their lives in a cause you did not support?

With their skills, the Blackwater boys could have chosen any of a number of even higher paying illegitimate careers, but they did not. I suppose dawg would be happier if they had chosen to support drug cartels, considering his braggadoccio about his former doper days while serving on Fort Polk.

Remind me not to trust any of you cynical, fickle buttheads with anything important.

As I stated in the PM, these guys died chasing a paycheck & there is nothing wrong with that...paychecks provide for your family. So, they died trying to provide for their families which is more honorable than dying for country IMO...especially if your country is using questinable justifications for placeing you in harm's way. I'm not turning my back on them, just not willing to "diefy" their death's "in some noble arena"...they died a horrible death no perrson should have to suffer in a shithole of a place....that's not heroic, that's a shame for their families....

[native]

Shame on you knuckleheads. The Blackwater boys were patriots chasing a buck in a good cause, as were the contract truck drivers. They had already paid their dues in uniform, and they were NOT out-of-control nut jobs gratuitously killing civilians.

You turn your back on them because they took off their uniform and risked their lives in a cause you did not support?

With their skills, the Blackwater boys could have chosen any of a number of even higher paying illegitimate careers, but they did not. I suppose dawg would be happier if they had chosen to support drug cartels, considering his braggadoccio about his former doper days while serving on Fort Polk.

Remind me not to trust any of you cynical, fickle buttheads with anything important.

As I stated in the PM, these guys died chasing a paycheck & there is nothing wrong with that...paychecks provide for your family. So, they died trying to provide for their families which is more honorable than dying for country IMO...especially if your country is using questinable justifications for placeing you in harm's way. I'm not turning my back on them, just not willing to "diefy" their death's "in some noble arena"...they died a horrible death no perrson should have to suffer in a shithole of a place....that's not heroic, that's a shame for their families....

Appy, I still can't believe you and others are not outraged at the treatment of the Blackwater employees. If any American - even d1b or sad sack dawg - were treated the same way doing the same job, I would be equally outraged and standing up for you.

[Appaholic]

As I stated in the PM, these guys died chasing a paycheck & there is nothing wrong with that...paychecks provide for your family. So, they died trying to provide for their families which is more honorable than dying for country IMO...especially if your country is using questinable justifications for placeing you in harm's way. I'm not turning my back on them, just not willing to "diefy" their death's "in some noble arena"...they died a horrible death no perrson should have to suffer in a shithole of a place....that's not heroic, that's a shame for their families....

Appy, I still can't believe you and others are not outraged at the treatment of the Blackwater employees. If any American - even d1b or sad sack dawg - were treated the same way doing the same job, I would be equally outraged and standing up for you.

I was outraged at the time. But it has diminished over time as most things do & I also realize those BW employees were there by choice...even moreso than members of an all-volunteer army. What really outrages me more are the defenseless contractors (oil co. employees etc) who were beheaded on camera...those still outrage me...& I fully support a 10-1 response on camera as retribution....

[houndawg]

Shame on you knuckleheads. The Blackwater boys were patriots chasing a buck in a good cause, as were the contract truck drivers. They had already paid their dues in uniform, and they were NOT out-of-control nut jobs gratuitously killing civilians.

You turn your back on them because they took off their uniform and risked their lives in a cause you did not support?

With their skills, the Blackwater boys could have chosen any of a number of even higher paying illegitimate careers, but they did not. I suppose dawg would be happier if they had chosen to support drug cartels, considering his braggadoccio about his former doper days while serving on Fort Polk.

I still can't believe you are not outraged at the treatment of the Blackwater employees. If any American - even d1b or sad sack dawg - were treated the same way doing the same job, I would be equally outraged and standing up for you. Remind me not to trust any of you cynical, fickle buttheads with anything important.

They're scum, Nathan, pure and simple. It's a free country and you're free to suport hired killers if you wish and I understand that you probably have friends of yours among them. But all is not well in your brotherhood of love,trust, and understanding: Federal Prosecutors have sworn statements from former employees that Erik Prince "views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Mulims and the Islamic faith from the globe", and that his compamies encouraged and rewarded the taking of Iraqi life. Sound like any of your old service buddies, Norman?

[native]

Shame on you knuckleheads. The Blackwater boys were patriots chasing a buck in a good cause, as were the contract truck drivers. They had already paid their dues in uniform, and they were NOT out-of-control nut jobs gratuitously killing civilians.

You turn your back on them because they took off their uniform and risked their lives in a cause you did not support?

With their skills, the Blackwater boys could have chosen any of a number of even higher paying illegitimate careers, but they did not. I suppose dawg would be happier if they had chosen to support drug cartels, considering his braggadoccio about his former doper days while serving on Fort Polk.

I still can't believe you are not outraged at the treatment of the Blackwater employees. If any American - even d1b or sad sack dawg - were treated the same way doing the same job, I would be equally outraged and standing up for you. Remind me not to trust any of you cynical, fickle buttheads with anything important.

They're scum, Nathan, pure and simple. It's a free country and you're free to suport hired killers if you wish and I understand that you probably have friends of yours among them. But all is not well in your brotherhood of love,trust, and understanding: Freral Prosecutors have sworn statements from former employees that Erik Prince "views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Mulims and the Islamic faith from the globe". Sound like any of your old service buddies?

I don't know Erik, but your attacks on his company are unfounded. Obama's "feral prosecutors" are merely on a witch hunt. Prince's personal views are irrelevant, as long as Blackwater followed whatever rules of engagement they were given by our government.

As an aside, I am damm glad that someone gives a shit about standing up to the aggressive, conquering Islamist horde.

[houndawg]

They're scum, Nathan, pure and simple. It's a free country and you're free to suport hired killers if you wish and I understand that you probably have friends of yours among them. But all is not well in your brotherhood of love,trust, and understanding: Freral Prosecutors have sworn statements from former employees that Erik Prince "views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Mulims and the Islamic faith from the globe". Sound like any of your old service buddies?

I don't know Erik, but your attacks on his company are unfounded.

As an aside, I am damm glad that someone gives a **** about standing up to the aggressive, conquering Islamist horde.

The crusader mentality. They're not my attacks, they're Federal Prosecutor's attacks.

I'm a little embarassed to have to point out to somebody of your experience that the "aggressive, conquering Islamist horde" is the one fighting against an invading force.

[native]

I don't know Erik, but your attacks on his company are unfounded.

As an aside, I am damm glad that someone gives a **** about standing up to the aggressive, conquering Islamist horde.

The crusader mentality. They're not my attacks, they're Federal Prosecutor's attacks.

I'm a little embarassed to have to point out to somebody of your experience that the "aggressive, conquering Islamist horde" is the one fighting against an invading force.

Point taken, dawg, but I encourage you to take a longer historical view, and be more honest with yourself about the inevitable historical consequences of muslim demographic growth and sharia law.

The attacks on Blackwater are a leftist Obama/Holder witch hunt, nothing more.

[houndawg]

The crusader mentality. They're not my attacks, they're Federal Prosecutor's attacks.

I'm a little embarassed to have to point out to somebody of your experience that the "aggressive, conquering Islamist horde" is the one fighting against an invading force.

Point taken, dawg, but I encourage you to take a longer historical view, and be more honest with yourself about the inevitable historical consequences of muslim demographic growth and sharia law.

That isn't the problem, native, the problem is that we aren't making any serious effort to reduce our dependence on their oil.

You want to talk about demographics? Half of Iran's population is under thirty years old and has no memories of us enabling the Shah's secret police, or Khomeini, or the embassy takeover. All we need to send to Iran is bluejeans and rock n roll and they'll be ours in fifteen years. But no, the Armageddon crowd is making money on the status quo hand over fist, so war it remains.

Cue argument that we're fighting them over there so we don't have to repel their landing craft in Florida......

[houndawg]

The crusader mentality. They're not my attacks, they're Federal Prosecutor's attacks.

I'm a little embarassed to have to point out to somebody of your experience that the "aggressive, conquering Islamist horde" is the one fighting against an invading force.

Point taken, dawg, but I encourage you to take a longer historical view, and be more honest with yourself about the inevitable historical consequences of muslim demographic growth and sharia law.

The attacks on Blackwater are a leftist Obama/Holder witch hunt, nothing more.

Way to late for that spin. I guess you forgot that Iraqi government banned Blacwater from operating in Iraq.

[native]

Point taken, dawg, but I encourage you to take a longer historical view, and be more honest with yourself about the inevitable historical consequences of muslim demographic growth and sharia law.

The attacks on Blackwater are a leftist Obama/Holder witch hunt, nothing more.

Way to late for that spin. I guess you forgot that Iraqi government banned Blacwater from operating in Iraq.

I hope the secular parties win the vote count, but I don't view the Iraqi government's position on Blackwater to be anything more than a response to appease various factions and the fickle mob. Fabricated "evidence" is not a new phenomenon in Iraq. Nor are double standards.

[Appaholic]

Fabricated "evidence" is not a new phenomenon in Iraq. Nor are double standards.

How true.... ...you don't even know how right you are.....

[native]

...Cue argument that we're fighting them over there so we don't have to repel their landing craft in Florida......

Despite your preconceived notions, dawg, I am not convinced that our engagement in Iraq either has or has not been successful and/or worth the cost.

[native]

Fabricated "evidence" is not a new phenomenon in Iraq. Nor are double standards.

How true.... ...you don't even know how right you are.....

Touche', Appy, even though the implications may be off target.

[houndawg]

Way to late for that spin. I guess you forgot that Iraqi government banned Blacwater from operating in Iraq.

I hope the secular parties win the vote count, but I don't view the Iraqi government's position on Blackwater to be anything more than a response to appease various factions and the fickle mob. Fabricated "evidence" is not a new phenomenon in Iraq. Nor are double standards.

I guess in all the excitement the mercenaries forgot that the fleeing civilians they were shooting as "payback" for Sept. 11 were the very ones we were supposed to be saving from Saddam and his nuclear weapons that could reach the US in 45 minutes.

[native]

I hope the secular parties win the vote count, but I don't view the Iraqi government's position on Blackwater to be anything more than a response to appease various factions and the fickle mob. Fabricated "evidence" is not a new phenomenon in Iraq. Nor are double standards.

I guess in all the excitement the mercenaries forgot that the fleeing civilians they were shooting as "payback" for Sept. 11 were the very ones we were supposed to be saving from Saddam and his nuclear weapons that could reach the US in 45 minutes.

You can eat those rabbit turds in your own oatmeal if you wish, dawg, but I prefer craisins or blueberries.

[BDKJMU]

The article rightly mentions that several federal jobs are either far more complex than their civilian namesakes (accounting, for instance) or have no civilian equal. How could you even begin to make salary comparison statements there?

The article was ONLY comparing govt jobs (216 occupations) that had civilian counterparts. It excluded 124 occupations that didn't.

"...USA TODAY used Bureau of Labor Statistics data to compare salaries in every federal job that had a private-sector equivalent. For example, the federal government's 57,000 registered nurses — working for the Veterans Administration and elsewhere — were paid an average of $74,460 a year, $10,680 more than the average for private-sector nurses.

The BLS reports that 216 occupations covering 1.1 million federal workers exist in both the federal government and the private sector. An additional 124 federal occupations covering 750,000 employees — air-traffic controllers, tax collectors and others — did not have direct equivalents, according to the BLS..."