College Education

[Baldy]

I know Georgia subsidizes college education through the HOPE scholarship funded through the state lottery. What I don't understand is how these dumb asses mess that up. I've met a bunch of kids who come through here with the HOPE scholarship only to lose it. You only have to keep a 3.0.

I also know the state of Georgia is cutting tons of money from the university systems budgets... UGA is taking the biggest hit and will be cutting the number of incoming students and will need to cut over 1,000 jobs. The same goes for a lot of other Georgia universities... haven't seen anything mentioned about GSU cuts though. The state probably figures they're already at rock bottom anyway and that most students go on to become ditch diggers or convicts anyway.

You're obviously referring to Georgia State U and yes, I would agree. Either ditch diggers or maybe chicken catchers if they have their Graduate degree.

As for the real GSU...we're having to cut a little over $24 million. Painful, no doubt.

[JMU DJ]

You're obviously referring to Georgia State U and yes, I would agree. Either ditch diggers or maybe chicken catchers if they have their Graduate degree.

As for the real GSU...we're having to cut a little over $24 million. Painful, no doubt.

Touche salesman.


I didn't see anything about "real" GSU in an AJC writeup. Thought it was odd the state would make cuts across the board but not at one of it's large schools.

[clenz]

I agree and disagree. Too many people are getting in and graduating I agree.


However those of us who are going to school for a reason other than getting a degree to get one are getting stuck with 100K of debt and are getting fucked in the ass for no reason.

oh contrare mon frere: On the contrary my friend
If you're getting fucked in the ass, there's a reason...

Yep...the reason is that my parents (while not paying for my education at all claimed me as a dependent and had to be used on the FAFSA) make just enough combined (roughly 50K combined during a good year) for me to not qualify for need based aid.


Meanwhile, high school classmates I graduated with that had parents who owned their own companies (mostly hog farms) get to go to school for free because they claim no income and write everything off as a business expense. Brand new cars every year written off as business expenses, while the kids get to drive them. Write off that expensive dinner they went out for because they talked about hogs, so it was a "business dinner', etc... They all live in million dollar plus houses (and in rural NW Iowa that kind of money gets you a hell of a lot in terms of a house), brand new cars, nicest gadgets money can buy, etc... but they go to school for free.


OR we can talk about the black football players that were on the football team at Wartburg the same time I was. I had higher grades in HS, higher ACT, class rank, etc... than they did. My family made much less money than they did (some of these kids had both parents as doctors, professors, lawyers, etc...) and yet they get a free ride because of a "minority scholarship". Yep, they went to school at a $30+k a year school. I got zero aid.


So you tell me who is getting fucked in the ass.

[Grizalltheway]

I don't see the present system as "broken"..
Colleges and Universities are packed beyond capacity with even average institutions receiving 10 times more applicants then they can churn through the meat grinder

So a percentage of students are stupid enough to graduate with $100K in loan debt...
My guess this same person would accumulate similar debt left to their own devices in the free market

Mr. Coffee says: Meh.. things are fine

I agree and disagree. Too many people are getting in and graduating I agree.


However those of us who are going to school for a reason other than getting a degree to get one are getting stuck with 100K of debt and are getting fucked in the ass for no reason.

Not to delve too deeply into your personal finances, but how in the hell are you accumulating 100k in student debt going to a state school, in the state where you're from?

[clenz]

I agree and disagree. Too many people are getting in and graduating I agree.


However those of us who are going to school for a reason other than getting a degree to get one are getting stuck with 100K of debt and are getting fucked in the ass for no reason.

Not to delve too deeply into your personal finances, but how in the hell are you accumulating 100k in student debt going to a state school, in the state where you're from?

Cost of going to UNI for a year, including living arrangements and everything is roughly (as esimated by UNI) 18K for instate. I went to Wartburg for awhile and I went to Wartburg for a while (30K a year). Keep in mind I get NO financial aid outside of loands. I don't get grants, scholarships, etc... to help cover my costs.

I work 25 hours a week on campus and go to school

[Grizalltheway]

Not to delve too deeply into your personal finances, but how in the hell are you accumulating 100k in student debt going to a state school, in the state where you're from?

Cost of going to UNI for a year, including living arrangements and everything is roughly (as esimated by UNI) 18K for instate. I went to Wartburg for awhile and I went to Wartburg for a while (30K a year). Keep in mind I get NO financial aid outside of loands. I don't get grants, scholarships, etc... to help cover my costs.

I work 25 hours a week on campus and go to school

Christ! In-state tuition here is only 4-5k a year, plus living expenses, books and such.

[Baldy]

You're obviously referring to Georgia State U and yes, I would agree. Either ditch diggers or maybe chicken catchers if they have their Graduate degree.

As for the real GSU...we're having to cut a little over $24 million. Painful, no doubt.

Touche salesman.


I didn't see anything about "real" GSU in an AJC writeup. Thought it was odd the state would make cuts across the board but not at one of it's large schools.

I think every college in the state is suffering from major cuts.
The last I read:
UGA is +/- $60 Million
GA State is +/- $34 Million
GSU is +/- $24+ Million
GA Tech +/- $18 Million

[OL FU]

I think all Americans should own and apartment complex no smaller than 150 units

[clenz]

Cost of going to UNI for a year, including living arrangements and everything is roughly (as esimated by UNI) 18K for instate. I went to Wartburg for awhile and I went to Wartburg for a while (30K a year). Keep in mind I get NO financial aid outside of loands. I don't get grants, scholarships, etc... to help cover my costs.

I work 25 hours a week on campus and go to school

Christ! In-state tuition here is only 4-5k a year, plus living expenses, books and such.

Tution at UNI with all the fees is about $6500 before room and board are added. Living on campus at UNI will run you about 14K a year just for tuition, books, room and board.


Living off campus is a little more expensive, especially with a mortgage to pay. The UNI financial aid office tells student to budget for about 18k a year

[clenz]

I think all Americans should own and apartment complex no smaller than 150 units

If I could find the money I would buy a complex in a college town in a heartbeat. These douchebag landlords in CF make a killing by charging double what they need too and filling their properties.

[OL FU]

I think all Americans should own and apartment complex no smaller than 150 units

If I could find the money I would buy a complex in a college town in a heartbeat. These douchebag landlords in CF make a killing by charging double what they need too and filling their properties.

Landlords suck. Charging what the market will bear is totally unamerican.

[clenz]

If I could find the money I would buy a complex in a college town in a heartbeat. These douchebag landlords in CF make a killing by charging double what they need too and filling their properties.

Landlords suck. Charging what the market will bear is totally unamerican.

They can charge what they want. What makes them douchebags is the fact that 95% of them in Cedar Falls are slumloards.

[OL FU]

Landlords suck. Charging what the market will bear is totally unamerican.

They can charge what they want. What makes them douchebags is the fact that 95% of them in Cedar Falls are slumloards.

Yeah I know a few of them

[clenz]

They can charge what they want. What makes them douchebags is the fact that 95% of them in Cedar Falls are slumloards.

Yeah I know a few of them

TBH and I lived for one for a year. The main window to our apartment had a big crack running all the way across it before we moved it. He told us he would fix it, this was May 8th of that year. Come November he hadn't even talked to use about it. We finally got on him enough that he fixed it. However, we had to take the measurements and call the window place to set a time up for them to deliver the window, he said he would install it. We get the window, and he comes to install it. Instead of cutting the seal around the old window (it was tempured) he and his buddy just broke the thing out. That took them about an hour and a half to get the window out completely, and another 45 minutes to get the window in. He also didn't clean the glass up on the inside or outside of the apartment. Our dog was finding glass shards for 2 months that the vaccumm didn't get picked up and we couldn't see...and 3 people cut their feet on the glass outside our apartment. Another long story, but this one I'll make short...our AC went out and he didn't fix it for the last 3 months we lived there. That was great.


He is a real douche.

[houndawg]

Welcome to the world, kid. It doesn't get any better.

[GannonFan]

Dawg's got it right - it's a tough world out there, better get used to it.

[Pwns]

As I've said in at least three other threads related to this subject, the costs need to get under control before we do any of that. The reason costs have raced way ahead of inflation is that too many schools have too many unneccesary and expensive bread and circus programs to attract the type of students who want to live it up on their student credit line for 4 or 5 years and then complain they can't get out from under the debt after they graduate.

Also, I think states should get a HOPE-like system like Georgia's. It could be funded through a state lottery and extra taxes on legal casinos.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Dawg's got it right - it's a tough world out there, better get used to it.

Most kids now days will be waiting for their participation trophy while a Mexican sneaks in and takes their job, then they wont even have the class to punch the illegal in the face, while yelling "Tome esa ramera ilegal, América subirá otra vez"!!

[Skjellyfetti]

Also, I think states should get a HOPE-like system like Georgia's. It could be funded through a state lottery and extra taxes on legal casinos.

I remember Alabama trying. The Religious Right bitched and moaned and voted it down on the ballot.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Good.



I would agree with a system kind of like what Col brought up but I wouldnt be interested in anything that didnt have the work done first before they got their school paid for. Not even during..........first.

[Pwns]

Also, I think states should get a HOPE-like system like Georgia's. It could be funded through a state lottery and extra taxes on legal casinos.

I remember Alabama trying. The Religious Right bitched and moaned and voted it down on the ballot.

Which is why it will be hard. Every state will have either nanny-state social justice liberals or holier-than-thou republicans (or possibly both) who will do everything they can to stop it.

Now that all the states are trimming their budgets is a good a time to try it, though.

[JayJ79]

I agree with everyone's comments about needing "ditch diggers"...we really have too many people going to four year colleges...and need lots more to go to technicial schools, etc...

I have a friend who for a couple of years argued with his son...who did not want to go to college, but to become an auto mechanic...

The friend gave in, paid for his son to go to a technician school, and the son is now making good money and is moving up at a dealership fixing today's computerized cars...

We do need that type too...

Couldn't the same systems/incentives be used for technical schools?

[D1B]

Dawg's got it right - it's a tough world out there, better get used to it.

Most kids now days will be waiting for their participation trophy while a Mexican sneaks in and takes their job, then they wont even have the class to punch the illegal in the face, while yelling "Tome esa ramera ilegal, América subirá otra vez"!!

Fucking classic!

Post of the Year Nomination!

[Col Hogan]

I agree with everyone's comments about needing "ditch diggers"...we really have too many people going to four year colleges...and need lots more to go to technicial schools, etc...

I have a friend who for a couple of years argued with his son...who did not want to go to college, but to become an auto mechanic...

The friend gave in, paid for his son to go to a technician school, and the son is now making good money and is moving up at a dealership fixing today's computerized cars...

We do need that type too...

Couldn't the same systems/incentives be used for technical schools?

[GSUhooligan]

I remember Alabama trying. The Religious Right bitched and moaned and voted it down on the ballot.

Which is why it will be hard. Every state will have either nanny-state social justice liberals or holier-than-thou republicans (or possibly both) who will do everything they can to stop it.

Not to mention the bordering state's convenience store lobbyists.