National Review article about tax code

[OL FU]

I only have one question: do you guys really believe that any of this will change the next time a Republican is elected?

No

[AZGrizFan]

You know what? You're right.....nothing will change.

Let's all just lay back while they fuck us in the ass with no vaseline....

You can do whatever you want to try and change the situation, but voting for people like McCain certainly isn't going to do jack shit.

I voted for McCain because I had no choice. Much like the last 30 years, he was the better alternative, nothing more.

Something WILL change, however. There's an element of America that's getting VERY pissed off. And it ain't the "teabaggers" ya'll like to bag on constantly. Those white-trash fucks aren't in the 47% (and dropping) that still pay INTO the system.

[grizzaholic]

You know what? You're right.....nothing will change.

Let's all just lay back while they fuck us in the ass with no vaseline....

You can do whatever you want to try and change the situation, but voting for people like McCain certainly isn't going to do jack shit.

And you voting obama into office was such a victory and a success.

[Skjellyfetti]

I voted for McCain because I had no choice. Much like the last 30 years, he was the better alternative, nothing more.

BULLSHIT.

You are infatuated with the dude. How many times have you cast your ballot for him? 2000 primary. 2008 primary. 2008 general election. How many times as Senator? You had a signature of him on AGS for at least 6 months. You spent all of 2008 babbling on and on about how great a president he would be.

And now you "voted for McCain because [you] had no choice."

[grizzaholic]

I voted for McCain because I had no choice. Much like the last 30 years, he was the better alternative, nothing more.

BULLSHIT.

You are infatuated with the dude. How many times have you cast your ballot for him? 2000 primary. 2008 primary. 2008 general election. How many times as Senator? You had a signature of him on AGS for at least 6 months. You spent all of 2008 babbling on and on about how great a president he would be.

And now you "voted for McCain because [you] had no choice."

You have lost it.

[Grizalltheway]

You can do whatever you want to try and change the situation, but voting for people like McCain certainly isn't going to do jack shit.

And you voting obama into office was such a victory and a success.

I'm not the one acting like the apocalypse is nigh because a Democrat, and a darkie to boot, is in office, am I?

[Col Hogan]

I don't see why that is so shocking or bad.

~1.5 million active soldiers probably make up a significant chunk of that.

I didn't think about that, I wonder if they used soldiers, other government employees and those being paid with federal funds to calculate that statistic. If so, I guess I'm part of the 20% as I get paid from a federally funded research grant. Hey Col, aren't you paid privately through the Gubernment too?

Yep, my company is paid by the federal government to provide a service...and I receive a check from that company...

I also receive military retirement...

Still, the majority of that 20% has nothing to do with the military, as jellybelly tried to intimate...

[grizzaholic]

And you voting obama into office was such a victory and a success.

I'm not the one acting like the apocalypse is nigh because a Democrat, and a darkie to boot, is in office, am I?

Not quite sure how him being a black is a problem. Some inner racist in ya? Reconsidering your decision to vote for obama?

[JMU DJ]

I didn't think about that, I wonder if they used soldiers, other government employees and those being paid with federal funds to calculate that statistic. If so, I guess I'm part of the 20% as I get paid from a federally funded research grant. Hey Col, aren't you paid privately through the Gubernment too?

Yep, my company is paid by the federal government to provide a service...and I receive a check from that company...

I also receive military retirement...

Still, the majority of that 20% has nothing to do with the military, as jellybelly tried to intimate...

Yeah, that's why I was thinking about other people who receive federal monies. We are paid through State or Private companies, but all of the money that we are paid with comes from Federal dollars. So I'm wondering if those types of employees were factored into the 20% as it is Federal dollars being spent. Mind you, I doubt that all together, it will account for more than 7-10% of that total 20%.

[Baldy]

I'm not the one acting like the apocalypse is nigh because a Democrat, and a darkie to boot, is in office, am I?

Typical Donk tactic...play the race card when you have no leg to stand on.

[danefan]

The EIC is nothing more than a welfare program that was put in the Tax Code for "Administrative Efficiency".

The amount of abuse in the system right now is staggering.

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[Skjellyfetti]

I'm not the one acting like the apocalypse is nigh because a Democrat, and a darkie to boot, is in office, am I?

Typical Donk tactic...play the race card when you have no leg to stand on.

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[OL FU]

The EIC is nothing more than a welfare program that was put in the Tax Code for "Administrative Efficiency".

The amount of abuse in the system right now is staggering.

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That was my point. If everyone was honest or there was a reliable way to verify dependants, it would be an extremely efficient way to encourage work and make welfare payments. But at present there is not verification system. The IRS is not going to audit this, not unless the fraud is obvious and it is a group of people perpetuating the fraud.

As I sad the other problems is that there are recipients of these payments that have significant non taxable income, so they are receiving a welfare check that is not needed.

No animosity here to legitimate recipients but the way the earned income credit is monitored is ridiculous.

PS the other reason for this is as I said, it is easier to swallow this presented as tax refunds than welfare payments from a political perspective.

[AZGrizFan]

I voted for McCain because I had no choice. Much like the last 30 years, he was the better alternative, nothing more.

BULLSHIT.

You are infatuated with the dude. How many times have you cast your ballot for him? 2000 primary. 2008 primary. 2008 general election. How many times as Senator? You had a signature of him on AGS for at least 6 months. You spent all of 2008 babbling on and on about how great a president he would be.

And now you "voted for McCain because [you] had no choice."

You're absolutely correct. I respect John McCain the man, the Naval Officer, the POW, and the senator. And he was and is miles better than GWB and light years better than the communist currently occupying the White House.

But, I entirely understand your desire to change the subject to one more palatable, and one in which you're not getting your ass handed to you.

[dbackjon]

I probably pay as high, or higher net % of income than anybody on here.

No dependents.
No mortgage interest deduction.
Income gap between Alex and I is high enough that we pay more total tax separately than if we were able to legally marry.

[dbackjon]

And yes, only 47% of Americans paying Federal Tax is unsupportable.

How many of those 47% are retirees? Living off of SS, or non-wage income? (pensions, etc)?

As Americans live longer, there are going to be more and more Americans retired, and many will not be paying taxes, but being HUGE receipiants of Federal Dollars.

[danefan]

I probably pay as high, or higher net % of income than anybody on here.

No dependents.
No mortgage interest deduction.
Income gap between Alex and I is high enough that we pay more total tax separately than if we were able to legally marry.

The upper middle class are the ones with the real grip about taxes. That's where you'll find the highest effective tax rates.

[grizzaholic]

I probably pay as high, or higher net % of income than anybody on here.

No dependents.
No mortgage interest deduction.
Income gap between Alex and I is high enough that we pay more total tax separately than if we were able to legally marry.

I would ask your boy obama. I heard he is paying people these days just for voting for him.

[OL FU]

I probably pay as high, or higher net % of income than anybody on here.

No dependents.
No mortgage interest deduction.
Income gap between Alex and I is high enough that we pay more total tax separately than if we were able to legally marry.

And I think you and I agree, if we are going to have an income tax it should be based on income, not deductions

[AZGrizFan]

I probably pay as high, or higher net % of income than anybody on here.

No dependents.
No mortgage interest deduction.
Income gap between Alex and I is high enough that we pay more total tax separately than if we were able to legally marry.

The upper middle class are the ones with the real grip about taxes. That's where you'll find the highest effective tax rates.

I just wrote a check to the Federal Jackstompers for mid 5-figures. BEFORE the decimal point. And that's in addition to the mid-5 figures I'd ALREADY paid in through payroll.

Fuck all of the teet-suckin', money-grubbin', lazy, POS, welfare-usin', crack-smokin', baby-makin' motherfuckers who don't carry their OWN weight in this country. Black or White. Young or old. Liberal or Conservative. You all are fucking Exhibit A for legalized abortion.

I've got NO sympathy for you. I've got NO use for you. None. Zip. Nada.

[dbackjon]

I probably pay as high, or higher net % of income than anybody on here.

No dependents.
No mortgage interest deduction.
Income gap between Alex and I is high enough that we pay more total tax separately than if we were able to legally marry.

And I think you and I agree, if we are going to have an income tax it should be based on income, not deductions

Yup.

I favor a progressive income tax with zero deductions, loopholes, etc. No difference for capital gains, either.

You make $100K - if the rate for that bracket is 20% - you pay $20K

[AZGrizFan]

And I think you and I agree, if we are going to have an income tax it should be based on income, not deductions

Yup.

I favor a progressive income tax with zero deductions, loopholes, etc. No difference for capital gains, either.

You make $100K - if the rate for that bracket is 20% - you pay $20K

WHY?

What could possibly by wrong with a FLAT tax?

[OL FU]

Yup.

I favor a progressive income tax with zero deductions, loopholes, etc. No difference for capital gains, either.

You make $100K - if the rate for that bracket is 20% - you pay $20K

WHY?

What could possibly by wrong with a FLAT tax?

He's a progressive. He's not a Flative

[dbackjon]

WHY?

What could possibly by wrong with a FLAT tax?

He's a progressive. He's not a Flative

That is right, just like Jesus

I would favor a flat tax on all income, even capital gains, with absolutely no deductions, exemptions over our current system.



Oh - and NOTHING for having kids - no extra deductions...

[Ibanez]

You know what? You're right.....nothing will change.

Let's all just lay back while they fuck us in the ass with no vaseline....

You can do whatever you want to try and change the situation, but voting for people like McCain certainly isn't going to do jack shit.

Listen up. We all know what needs to be done. We all know that we need some legislators and an executive branch that is truly interested in the American Republic and not worried about the voters back home. Drastic measures need to be taken. We spend 6% on Education and +50% on Defense.

First, suspend all foreign aid. Why should we pay for the world, when we are in trouble back home. We take care of other people in the world but not ourselves.

Secondly, Increase funding for Education, Science and Technology. I'm talking a serious increase, we could scale back the defense budget 20% and STILL spend more on defense than the rest of the world combined. We roughly spend 9 times as much money on defense as the Chinese do. We can cut out some programs, become more leaner and common. In my line of work we have 5 variations for the same truck and most of those variations are differences in color and things like rubber. I truly believe that if we SUCCESSFULLY educate more people and keep more people on track, then that will allow more people to become productive members of society and reduce the amount of leeches on the government.

Of course, you need a Government that isn't afraid to make the difficult decisions inspite of thier career aspirations. If it truly is in the best interest of the Republic, and we see that, I think we should have no issue re-electing those people.


Then again, that's just my