Students Expelled for Wearing American Flag

[OL FU]

American flag bandanas? Seriously?



**** rednecks.

sk, are you home?

[grizzaholic]

so what if they did? It's not against the law to be an asshole. If it was, you'd be at Tent City right now, motherfucker.

Sharing a tent with you...

Wrong. AZ is a straight white male.

[dbackjon]

Sharing a tent with you...

Wrong. AZ is a straight white male.

He won't be in prison...

[GannonFan]

Well, you can't wear the flag on athletic uniforms and it can't touch ANYTHING underneath it (people holding those giant flags at sporting events is a violation). Of course no one really follows these rules so it's not like it matters. I'm just saying there are so many of 'em for the general public to remember, that I'm sure if we were actually to enforce it with consequences, we'd have to cut down on the number of rules.

This is not a law that should have consequences. Good taste and pride is all that it should take to enforce it.

You are a sharp guy and reading your statements on this is a bit disturbing. It shows that some things have lost their reverence. In the 70's & 80's you learned about proper flag etiquette in school. I think I went to at least two or three different 1/2 hr. sessions on how to properly care for the American Flag. There are some rules but to not remember them is my fault. I am the one that would be responsible for not knowing them. I can't believe that the youth think that the rules should be disregarded because there are too many of them and they don't hold any weight because it has went out of fashion.
As far as the topic goes I agree that these issue of suspending these kids is **** ludicrous and there should be some action taken to slap the wrists of the ones that perpetrated this on the kids wearing the T Shirts.

I agree also that the kids if they were truly a fan of the American Flag should have known that it is not a proper to wear as a bandanna, a T shirt, a Poncho, or what the **** ever else they were wearing it as.

People don't follow these "rules" not because they are out of fashion, but rather because the "rules" are farcical. They can't be enforced because the Supreme Court has already said that following these "rules" is un-Constitutional. They are still on the books because some people like having them there, but they are de facto nullified laws in that they can't be and won't be enforced without infringing on another Constitutional right. And "good taste" and "pride" mean different things to different people - some people revere the flag, some prefer to revere the rights that the flag represents - it's a big country, we can all get along just fine even with those different viewpoints.

[GSUhooligan]

Well, you can't wear the flag on athletic uniforms and it can't touch ANYTHING underneath it (people holding those giant flags at sporting events is a violation). Of course no one really follows these rules so it's not like it matters. I'm just saying there are so many of 'em for the general public to remember, that I'm sure if we were actually to enforce it with consequences, we'd have to cut down on the number of rules.

The National Flag Code is one of those "funny" laws in that while it's a law, there's no consequences or penalties for not following it.

Kind of like our immigration code...

[Skjellyfetti]

sk, are you home?

Nope, I'm here until my sister's wedding in June.

[OL FU]

sk, are you home?

Nope, I'm here until my sister's wedding in June.

Well have fun

[JayJ79]

Question for the kids wearing the T-shirts - is this a normal part of their wardrobe, or did they get them just to be assholes on that day?

If they had shirts that said something derogatory, I could see it. But simply having the American flag on the shirt, in AMERICA shouldn't offend anyone. If I travel to Mexico on July 4th, should I take offense at anyone who wears Mexican colors? No, that would be dumb.

I used to make a point of wearing ORANGE on St. Patrick's Day, as I am Protestant and not Catholic. Is that "offensive"?

[Col Hogan]

Question for the kids wearing the T-shirts - is this a normal part of their wardrobe, or did they get them just to be ******* on that day?

If they had shirts that said something derogatory, I could see it. But simply having the American flag on the shirt, in AMERICA shouldn't offend anyone. If I travel to Mexico on July 4th, should I take offense at anyone who wears Mexican colors? No, that would be dumb.

I used to make a point of wearing ORANGE on St. Patrick's Day, as I am Protestant and not Catholic. Is that "offensive"?

And I refuse to wear green on St. Patricks day...same question...

This administrator is out of touch with reality...

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

This is not a law that should have consequences. Good taste and pride is all that it should take to enforce it.

You are a sharp guy and reading your statements on this is a bit disturbing. It shows that some things have lost their reverence. In the 70's & 80's you learned about proper flag etiquette in school. I think I went to at least two or three different 1/2 hr. sessions on how to properly care for the American Flag. There are some rules but to not remember them is my fault. I am the one that would be responsible for not knowing them. I can't believe that the youth think that the rules should be disregarded because there are too many of them and they don't hold any weight because it has went out of fashion.
As far as the topic goes I agree that these issue of suspending these kids is **** ludicrous and there should be some action taken to slap the wrists of the ones that perpetrated this on the kids wearing the T Shirts.

I agree also that the kids if they were truly a fan of the American Flag should have known that it is not a proper to wear as a bandanna, a T shirt, a Poncho, or what the **** ever else they were wearing it as.

People don't follow these "rules" not because they are out of fashion, but rather because the "rules" are farcical. They can't be enforced because the Supreme Court has already said that following these "rules" is un-Constitutional. They are still on the books because some people like having them there, but they are de facto nullified laws in that they can't be and won't be enforced without infringing on another Constitutional right. And "good taste" and "pride" mean different things to different people - some people revere the flag, some prefer to revere the rights that the flag represents - it's a big country, we can all get along just fine even with those different viewpoints.

I don't disagree with any of that. I'm just a little taken aback by the casual nature of it all.

[Baldy]

American flag t-shirts, bandanas, boxers, briefs, toothpaste, etc. are against the US flag code. The little redneck children should be taught the proper ways to respect the American flag. Covering yourself from head-to-toe in the stars and stripes is not the correct way.

You slay me jellybelly

Never thought you would be a right-winger when it comes to the flag. I guess the disrespect these kids have shown for the flag has shoved you in the far right anti-flag burning camp.

I like your new found flexibility.

[catamount man]

any American that defends the sending home of these students is just a fucking douchebag and I stand by that comment. If you agreed with this, you are a fucking prick that would sell out your nation's own soverignty for this liberal hippie peace, love, dope bullshit. To me, you are all fucking dead and not worth the same breath I breathe.

[Pwns]

American flag t-shirts, bandanas, boxers, briefs, toothpaste, etc. are against the US flag code. The little redneck children should be taught the proper ways to respect the American flag. Covering yourself from head-to-toe in the stars and stripes is not the correct way.

If the school wants to enforce the flag code on campus, then I think that's their right. But part of the flag code is not burning a flag unless it is worn or faded. I'd imagine the schoool would deem it "Free speech" if a group wanted to burn a flag at a demonstration. You can't cherry-pick which parts of the flag code you want to enforce.

[Skjellyfetti]

If the school wants to enforce the flag code on campus, then I think that's their right. But part of the flag code is not burning a flag unless it is worn or faded. I'd imagine the schoool would deem it "Free speech" if a group wanted to burn a flag at a demonstration. You can't cherry-pick which parts of the flag code you want to enforce.

And I'd expect them to not let a kid set an American flag on fire at school.

There was a douchebag kid at my high school that announced he was going to burn an American flag at such and such location and such and such time. Mainly to create controversy (and attention for himself... similarly to these kids dressing head-to-toe in American flag paraphernalia for Cinco de Mayo). He was forcibly stopped from burning the flag and wasn't allowed to graduate with the class. If you antagonize people and intentionally try to piss them off (also like the guy in this thread that said he wears orange on St. Patrick's Day) you deserve anything you get.

There's "freedom of speech" but not "freedom to be a douchebag"

[Skjellyfetti]

Right, the flag itself should never be used for apparel, bedding, or drapery.

READ BETTER! It's a long sentence filled with lawyerese... but, not you can handle it!

The words 'flag, standard, colors, or ensign', as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

[native]

If the school wants to enforce the flag code on campus, then I think that's their right. But part of the flag code is not burning a flag unless it is worn or faded. I'd imagine the schoool would deem it "Free speech" if a group wanted to burn a flag at a demonstration. You can't cherry-pick which parts of the flag code you want to enforce.

And I'd expect them to not let a kid set an American flag on fire at school.

There was a douchebag kid at my high school that announced he was going to burn an American flag at such and such location and such and such time. Mainly to create controversy (and attention for himself... similarly to these kids dressing head-to-toe in American flag paraphernalia for Cinco de Mayo). He was forcibly stopped from burning the flag and wasn't allowed to graduate with the class. If you antagonize people and intentionally try to piss them off (also like the guy in this thread that said he wears orange on St. Patrick's Day) you deserve anything you get.

There's "freedom of speech" but not "freedom to be a douchebag"

Buuuuulllllshiiiiiiiiit! This is America (unless you're in south Boston) not Northern Ireland. Half the Irish bars in the midwest, south and on the west coast have a bit of orange decoration as well as green. In most places in the U.S. orange and green alike drink green beer on St. Patty's Day. Most of our ancestors came to the New World to get away from that sectarian crap.

NOBODY, green, orange or purple, gets jumped in an Irish bar or at school for wearing an American flag on St. Patty's Day.

...So you are saying that all the douchebag illegal aliens deserve whatever they get?!???

tsk tsk tsk

[JayJ79]

If you antagonize people and intentionally try to piss them off (also like the guy in this thread that said he wears orange on St. Patrick's Day) you deserve anything you get.

There's "freedom of speech" but not "freedom to be a douchebag"

How is wearing US-patriotic gear IN the US "being a douchebag" regardless of what day of the year it is?

but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans

If they are Americans, then they shouldn't mind of people wear American colors.

[native]

If you antagonize people and intentionally try to piss them off (also like the guy in this thread that said he wears orange on St. Patrick's Day) you deserve anything you get.

There's "freedom of speech" but not "freedom to be a douchebag"

How is wearing US-patriotic gear IN the US "being a douchebag" regardless of what day of the year it is?

but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans

If they are Americans, then they shouldn't mind of people wear American colors.

Exactly!

[Skjellyfetti]

...So you are saying that all the douchebag illegal aliens deserve whatever they get?!???

Yes... Have I said differently? I've always said illegals should be punished as the law deems just... I've never stuck up for them. I've always stuck up for legal Mexicans. But, somehow that always translates into support for illegals. Why is that?

How is wearing US-patriotic gear IN the US "being a douchebag" regardless of what day of the year it is?

I admit I am reading into these kids' motives. I don't know them. But, I'm assuming they do not typically dress from head-to-toe in American flag. I'm guessing they don't usually wear American flag bandanas and American flag shorts and American flag t-shirts. I'm assuming these kids did it to be assholes about Cinco de Mayo. The kids were acting like douchebag attention whores... the school administration played right into their hands... and I'm not defending the school's decision... but, the kids are douchebags and I hope some Mexican students settle it with them after school the old fashioned way.

Huge douchebags (notice the shorts.... ):

[JohnStOnge]

Obviously I think it's ridiculous that kids would be given grief for wearing t shirst with American flags on them.

I also think it's ridiculous that there's a flag code. It's a piece of cloth. It's amazing to me that there are many people who want to put people in jail and/or fine them for disrepecting, burning, or whatever a flag. It's just a flag.

Sometimes I think this flag thing is like idol worship.

[SDHornet]

Just saw this story on the local news. The school administration has no defense to this one. The kicker I like was that at least one of the students was of Hispanic decent (I think the mom is of Hispanic decent). When asked if the students or their parents would issue an apology, one of the mothers (looked like the one of Hispanic decent) was pretty adamant that there would be no apology and that her son did nothing wrong. And I have to agree, these kids did nothing wrong.

[JohnStOnge]

By the way, why should an American school be involved in a celebration of a Mexican victory over the French? Seriously, there is no reason why an American public school should be doing what this school was doing to begin with. That's the underlying problem in this situation.

[Chizzang]

By the way, why should an American school be involved in a celebration of a Mexican victory over the French? Seriously, there is no reason why an American public school should be doing what this school was doing to begin with. That's the underlying problem in this situation.

Agreed John...
but I do enjoy on CS.Com how almost every thread turns into a "who's more American" contest..!!!

It's awesome


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[SDHornet]

.. but, the kids are douchebags and I hope some Mexican students settle it with them after school the old fashioned way.

Settle what?

[JayJ79]

I admit I am reading into these kids' motives. I don't know them. But, I'm assuming they do not typically dress from head-to-toe in American flag. I'm guessing they don't usually wear American flag bandanas and American flag shorts and American flag t-shirts. I'm assuming these kids did it to be assholes about Cinco de Mayo. The kids were acting like douchebag attention whores

What I'm saying, is how does wearing red, white, and blue make them assholes? Regardless of if it was a "mexican holiday" or not. If they were yelling insults or whatnot at Mexicans, then I'm all for there being repercussions. But simply wearing one's own country's colors should not be offensive.

but, the kids are douchebags and I hope some Mexican students settle it with them after school the old fashioned way.

So if someone wore Mexican (or Canadian, or Irish, or Italian, or British) colors, you wouldn't have a problem with someone "settling things with them the old fashioned way"?