Profiling is valid

[Franks Tanks]

Then tell me why it is. You seem awfully opposed to the idea that it's due to their environment.

A black person that grows up in wealth is no more likely than a wealthy white person to commit a violent crime. A black person that grows up in the middle class is no more likely than a middle class white person to commit a violent crime. A black person that grows up in poverty is no more likely than an impoverished white person to commit a violent crime.

Do you disagree? If so explain.... and try to do so in terms that aren't racist. Good luck.

Your statistics are wrong, skelly, but nobody here is opposed to the idea that environment affects behavior, and nobody is blaming black people for being black.

You are just making up a bunch of false "racist" bullsh!t to create controversy and argument, and maybe to feel sorry for yourself or morally superior (go figure!).

Behavior is what intelligent people profile, knucklehead.

That is the key-thanks.

You profile because a certain group of people have exibited a certain set of behavior over a period of time. Profiling or stereotyping takes place every day. Marketing and Risk Management departments use past trends to find new customers and manage credit risk for example. There is nothing wrong with it.

[Skjellyfetti]

Your superior condescension, talking about blacks from on high the way you just did is just as bad as what you perceive AZ and others as doing.

How have I been "talking about blacks from on high"....?

All I've done is say they are equal to whites. I know that seems to be a shocking concept on this site and all........

[AZGrizFan]

I'm not sure how you got that out of what I said or what CitGrad said (unless you're LOOKING to slant something a certain way)....

YOU'RE the one sitting here giving them excuses about WHY they are prone to act the way they do.

Then tell me why it is. You seem awfully opposed to the idea that it's due to their environment.

A black person that grows up in wealth is no more likely than a wealthy white person to commit a violent crime. A black person that grows up in the middle class is no more likely than a middle class white person to commit a violent crime. A black person that grows up in poverty is no more likely than an impoverished white person to commit a violent crime.

Do you disagree? If so explain.... and try to do so in terms that aren't racist. Good luck.

It's their environment, stupid....just not the environment YOU'RE talking about. Much like inner city welfare professionals, they are raised on the gangbanger, drug dealer, crack-whore mother mentality from the time they're BORN. It's so ingrained in their psyche and their culture (and celebrated in their music) now I'm not sure we could break that cycle even if we WANTED to (and believe me, Donks do NOT want to....they're GUARANTEED donk voters, why would you EVER want to disrupt THAT?). We're on 3rd, 4th, and in some cases 5th generation "projects" kids now....perhaps the ORIGINAL cause was poverty, but that ain't no fuckin' excuse 60 years later.

Much like never-ending unemployment benefits, if you keep giving them a crutch, they're going to keep using it.

Oh, and BTW, I feel the same about White trash.

[Skjellyfetti]

It's their environment, stupid....just not the environment YOU'RE talking about. Much like inner city welfare professionals, they are raised on the gangbanger, drug dealer, crack-whore mother mentality from the time they're BORN. It's so ingrained in their psyche and their culture (and celebrated in their music) now I'm not sure we could break that cycle even if we WANTED to (and believe me, Donks do NOT want to....they're GUARANTEED donk voters, why would you EVER want to disrupt THAT?). We're on 3rd, 4th, and in some cases 5th generation "projects" kids now....perhaps the ORIGINAL cause was poverty, but that ain't no ****' excuse 60 years later.

Much like never-ending unemployment benefits, if you keep giving them a crutch, they're going to keep using it.

Oh, and BTW, I feel the same about White trash.

Exactly. White trash and poor, inner city blacks have a lot in common. And their fuckeduped lives have to do with shitty parenting (read: no parenting). And I think poverty has a lot to do with shitty parenting. You may think that's just an excuse... but, I think you'd rather just ignore the truth.

And, if you say you feel the same about white trash. How can you profile based on race? Shouldn't you profile off of economic background?





Also, (real) country music is just as violent as rap music. And white trash culture celebrates violence just as much as inner city black culture.

[blueballs]

Also, (real) country music is just as violent as rap music.

Really? I'd have never guessed that.

BTW, most gansta' rap CD's and downloads are sold to white youths under 30.

[AZGrizFan]

It's their environment, stupid....just not the environment YOU'RE talking about. Much like inner city welfare professionals, they are raised on the gangbanger, drug dealer, crack-whore mother mentality from the time they're BORN. It's so ingrained in their psyche and their culture (and celebrated in their music) now I'm not sure we could break that cycle even if we WANTED to (and believe me, Donks do NOT want to....they're GUARANTEED donk voters, why would you EVER want to disrupt THAT?). We're on 3rd, 4th, and in some cases 5th generation "projects" kids now....perhaps the ORIGINAL cause was poverty, but that ain't no ****' excuse 60 years later.

Much like never-ending unemployment benefits, if you keep giving them a crutch, they're going to keep using it.

Oh, and BTW, I feel the same about White trash.

Exactly. White trash and poor, inner city blacks have a lot in common. And their fuckeduped lives have to do with shitty parenting (read: no parenting). And I think poverty has a lot to do with shitty parenting. You may think that's just an excuse... but, I think you'd rather just ignore the truth.

And, if you say you feel the same about white trash. How can you profile based on race? Shouldn't you profile off of economic background?

Also, (real) country music is just as violent as rap music. And white trash culture celebrates violence just as much as inner city black culture.

If the white trash is dressed like a gangbanger I ain't picking him/her up either. If they put on a suit and tie, they might fool me...

And I have NO idea what you're talking about regarding the music. I've never heard a country song with lyrics that go like this:

"Suck my dick while I fuck that ass, baby"
"Suck my dick while I fuck that ass, baby"
"Suck my dick while I fuck that ass, baby"

Nor have I ever heard a country song that celebrated killing cops and crackers.

Yep....Walt Whitman they ain't.

[Skjellyfetti]

Also, (real) country music is just as violent as rap music.

Really? I'd have never guessed that.

BTW, most gansta' rap CD's and downloads are sold to white youths under 30.

Yeah. The old stuff is. And the old stuff is the good stuff.

I went up to Memphis and I met Delia there
Found her in her parlor and I tied to her chair
Delia's gone, one more round Delia's gone

She was low down and trifling and she was cold and mean
Kind of evil make me want to make me grab my sub machine
Delia's gone, one more round Delia's gone

First time I shot her I shot her in the side hard to watch her suffer
But with the second shot she died
Delia's gone, one more round Delia's gone

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Lots of old ballads have lyrics that have pretty fucked up lyrics and stories. Like Matty Groves:

He took her by the lily white hand
And led her across the hall.
He pulled out his sword and cut off her head,
And he kicked it against the wall, wall,
And he kicked it against the wall.

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And Henry Lee...
A guy loves another woman more than this girl... so she kills him and stashes his body in a well.


I could go on and on.

[Skjellyfetti]

Nor have I ever heard a country song that celebrated killing cops and crackers.

Old fiddle tune from Mt. Airy, NC called "Police" or "Policeman"...

chorus goes:
Police come, I didn't want to go this morning
Police come, I didn't want to go this morning
Police come, I didn't want to go
Shot him in the head with my 44 this morning.

(not great quality, but the best I could find)
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[Franks Tanks]

Exactly. White trash and poor, inner city blacks have a lot in common. And their **** lives have to do with shitty parenting (read: no parenting). And I think poverty has a lot to do with shitty parenting. You may think that's just an excuse... but, I think you'd rather just ignore the truth.

And, if you say you feel the same about white trash. How can you profile based on race? Shouldn't you profile off of economic background?

Also, (real) country music is just as violent as rap music. And white trash culture celebrates violence just as much as inner city black culture.

If the white trash is dressed like a gangbanger I ain't picking him/her up either. If they put on a suit and tie, they might fool me...

And I have NO idea what you're talking about regarding the music. I've never heard a country song with lyrics that go like this:

"Suck my dick while I **** that ass, baby"
"Suck my dick while I **** that ass, baby"
"Suck my dick while I **** that ass, baby"

Nor have I ever heard a country song that celebrated killing cops and crackers.

Yep....Walt Whitman they ain't.

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[Skjellyfetti]

Yep....Walt Whitman they ain't.

Hm. And Walt Whitman wrote some pretty vulgar and sexualized poetry. He was banned back in the day for it... just like rappers are today. So, maybe not the best choice of words, AZ.

Read "A Woman Waits For Me":
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Now, I think that is much more beautiful language. But, it's pretty subjective, right?

And, I mean... this old sailor's song "On the Good Ship Venus" is about as bawdry as they come:

On the good ship Venus
By Christ you should have seen us
The figurehead was a whore in bed
Sucking a dead man's penis

The captain's name was Lugger
By Christ he was a bugger
He wasn't fit to shovel shit
From one ship to another

And the second mate was Andy
By Christ he had a dandy
Till they crushed his cock on a jagged rock
For cumming in the brandy

The third mate's name was Morgan
By God he was a gorgon
From half past eight he played till late
Upon the captain's organ

The captain's wife was Mabel
And by God was she able
To give the crew their daily screw
Upon the galley table

The captain's daughter Charlotte
Was born and bred a harlot
Her thighs at night were lily white
By morning they were scarlet

The cabin boy was Kipper
By Christ he was a nipper
He stuffed his ass with broken glass
And circumcised the skipper

The captain's lovely daughter
Liked swimming in the water
Delighted squeals came when some eels
Found her sexual quarters

The cook his name was Freeman
And he was a dirty demon
And he fed the crew on menstrual stew
And hymens fried in semen

And the ship's dog was called Rover
And we turned the poor thing over
And ground and ground that faithful hound
From Teneriff to Dover

When we reached our station
Through skillful navigation
The ship got sunk in a wave of spunk
From too much fornication

On the good ship Venus
By Christ you should have seen us
The figurehead was a whore in bed
Sucking a dead man's penis

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That one is especially awesome.

[AZGrizFan]

Nor have I ever heard a country song that celebrated killing cops and crackers.

Old fiddle tune from Mt. Airy, NC called "Police" or "Policeman"...

chorus goes:
Police come, I didn't want to go this morning
Police come, I didn't want to go this morning
Police come, I didn't want to go
Shot him in the head with my 44 this morning.

(not great quality, but the best I could find)
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Ah. I didn't realize that by "real" country music you meant HILLBILLY redneck Deliverance music.

Carry on.

[Skjellyfetti]

Ah. I didn't realize that by "real" country music you meant HILLBILLY redneck Deliverance music.

Carry on.

[youngterrier]

No, it's the epitome of the ability to read violent crime statistics.

I don't think it's just race either. Like I'd bet if a black guy looks like the guy in the picture below he'd have no problem being picked up by taxis.



To me it's like some people want to go out of their way to look weird then they complain when people are put off. If a White guy looks like the picture below I'd bet could have a problem with getting picked up too.

As a current High School student, I can say from experience that (young) white people are more likely to cause trouble for absolutely no reason than (young) black people...but then again there are a lot more white stoners at my school so my data may be skewed