How do we create more sustainable jobs?

[houndawg]

Make it easier/cheaper for small business owners to grow their companies...

I can tell you from personal experience that if you start a small business and play by the rules there will be nothing left to pay yourself with.

I also think it's bullshit that a business with 50 million in sales is considered small.

[OL FU]

So contrary to the Keynesian approach of the last two administrations including short term tax rebates or cuts, increasing government participation in the market place, government stimulus programs and even the less Keynesian ideas of tax increases during recessions, government can only help by creating a pro-growth platform of having fair and stable regulations, lowering the cost of business by permamantly reducing taxes, reducing governments use of eceonomic resources and reducing the cost of hiring and then letting the market do what it does.

In other words we are screwed in the near long term.

[CitadelGrad]

Make it easier/cheaper for small business owners to grow their companies...

I can tell you from personal experience that if you start a small business and play by the rules there will be nothing left to pay yourself with.

I also think it's bullshit that a business with 50 million in sales is considered small.

Which is larger?

Business A: $50 million revenue, 3% profit margin
Business B: $15 million revenue, 15% profit margin

Both of these companies would generally be referred to as "middle-market", neither small nor large.

Having spent many years in private equity, specializing in middle-market, mfg. and distribution, I can tell you that there are countless companies that play by the rules and are very successful. There are also many distressed and defunct companies that didn't play by the rules. Some companies fail simply because they weren't managed well.

[native]

So, we regulate companies/industries into oblivion, then act surprised when they move their finances and labor offshore?

Does regulatory over-reach occurr? Of course.

But quick, place a value for me on all of the regulations that increase your standard of living. Start with something like clean air or clean water and go on from there.

Those values seem to absent from conk calculations.

Your strawman dilemma comparing overreach and economic strangulation is bullsh!t! Republicans want clean air and water. Unlike donks, they have a concept of economics and don't feel compelled to to delay oil cleanups by months with regulatory and political overreach.

[native]

Make it easier/cheaper for small business owners to grow their companies...

I can tell you from personal experience that if you start a small business and play by the rules there will be nothing left to pay yourself with.

I also think it's bullshit that a business with 50 million in sales is considered small.

It's all about you, eh, howndawg? $50M is too big because you yourself could not make a $50k business successful? Since you failed to make the grade, you think we should regulate to the point of strangulation anyone bold enough, bright enough, hard-working enough, or savvy enough to do better than you?

This mindet of envy and justifiably low self esteem is the fundamental problem with donks and anarchists like dawg. They measure themselves and find the result wanting in hard work, character, abilities, productivity, etc.. Since they themselves won't (not "can't") hack it, so they are bound and determined to bring everybody else down to the lowest common denominator by any and all means necessary. To them, it's the only "fair" way to be.

[kalm]

Does regulatory over-reach occurr? Of course.

But quick, place a value for me on all of the regulations that increase your standard of living. Start with something like clean air or clean water and go on from there.

Those values seem to absent from conk calculations.

Your strawman dilemma comparing overreach and economic strangulation is bullsh!t! Republicans want clean air and water. Unlike donks, they have a concept of economics and don't feel compelled to to delay oil cleanups by months with regulatory and political overreach.

I didn't say Republicans don't want clean air and water. They fail to recognize these things come at a cost - they struggle with the economics. Or are you one of those who think that polluters should regulate themselves?

[native]

Your strawman dilemma comparing overreach and economic strangulation is bullsh!t! Republicans want clean air and water. Unlike donks, they have a concept of economics and don't feel compelled to to delay oil cleanups by months with regulatory and political overreach.

I didn't say Republicans don't want clean air and water. They fail to recognize these things come at a cost - they struggle with the economics. Or are you one of those who think that polluters should regulate themselves?

Conks do measure the economics of quality of life. The EPA and ADA, for example, were created under conk administrations. It's the donks like Obama that ruin good regulations by politicizing them and loading them up with unnecessary job-killing BS.

[kalm]

I didn't say Republicans don't want clean air and water. They fail to recognize these things come at a cost - they struggle with the economics. Or are you one of those who think that polluters should regulate themselves?

Conks do measure the economics of quality of life. The EPA and ADA, for example, were created under conk administrations. It's the donks like Obama that ruin good regulations by politicizing them and loading them up with unnecessary job-killing BS.

Fair enough.

But the meme that regulation is always bad and unneccessary or is not worth the restriction it places on business is extremely overblown. We are not entitled to a clean environment or cheap labor.

[AZGrizFan]

Conks do measure the economics of quality of life. The EPA and ADA, for example, were created under conk administrations. It's the donks like Obama that ruin good regulations by politicizing them and loading them up with unnecessary job-killing BS.

Fair enough.

But the meme that regulation is always bad and unneccessary or is not worth the restriction it places on business is extremely overblown. We are not entitled to a clean environment or cheap labor.

What do you think a business does when it's COGS goes up (either through onerous regulatory changes or increased labor costs)? It passes that cost on to the consumer.

[kalm]

Fair enough.

But the meme that regulation is always bad and unneccessary or is not worth the restriction it places on business is extremely overblown. We are not entitled to a clean environment or cheap labor.

What do you think a business does when it's COGS goes up (either through onerous regulatory changes or increased labor costs)? It passes that cost on to the consumer.

Or it's margins are reduced, or it cuts expenses, or it gets beat by a more efficient business.

[AZGrizFan]

What do you think a business does when it's COGS goes up (either through onerous regulatory changes or increased labor costs)? It passes that cost on to the consumer.

Or it's margins are reduced, or it cuts expenses, or it gets beat by a more efficient business.

All possibilities, to be sure...unless there's labor pressure across their industry...and wouldn't regulations affect every one?

Sure, there's things to do to combat higher COGS, but ultimately the cost gets passed on to the consumer---by EVERY company.

[From the class of 09]

What do you think a business does when it's COGS goes up (either through onerous regulatory changes or increased labor costs)? It passes that cost on to the consumer.

Or it's margins are reduced, or it cuts expenses, or it gets beat by a more efficient business.

Or they outsource the labor

[AZGrizFan]

Or it's margins are reduced, or it cuts expenses, or it gets beat by a more efficient business.

Or they outsource the labor

Exactly.

[houndawg]

I can tell you from personal experience that if you start a small business and play by the rules there will be nothing left to pay yourself with.

I also think it's bullshit that a business with 50 million in sales is considered small.

It's all about you, eh, howndawg? $50M is too big because you yourself could not make a $50k business successful? Since you failed to make the grade, you think we should regulate to the point of strangulation anyone bold enough, bright enough, hard-working enough, or savvy enough to do better than you?

This mindet of envy and justifiably low self esteem is the fundamental problem with donks and anarchists like dawg. They measure themselves and find the result wanting in hard work, character, abilities, productivity, etc.. Since they themselves won't (not "can't") hack it, so they are bound and determined to bring everybody else down to the lowest common denominator by any and all means necessary. To them, it's the only "fair" way to be.

You go girl!