Donks Just Don't Get It...

[travelinman67]

Citizens need to pay for the Government that allows them to accumulate the wealth in the first place.

Bullshit. Exactly how does the government allow anyone to accumulate wealth? It's actually quite the opposite... the government does everything in their power to keep you from accumulating wealth. Your statement only proves libs don't get it.

Beat me to it.

Wealth emanates from and idea or industry created by private citizens. Govt. attempts to control, regulate and tax those ideas and industries, effectively suppressing their progress. Jon will never understand the concept.

[D1B]

Bullshit. Exactly how does the government allow anyone to accumulate wealth? It's actually quite the opposite... the government does everything in their power to keep you from accumulating wealth. Your statement only proves libs don't get it.

Beat me to it.

Wealth emanates from and idea or industry created by private citizens. Govt. attempts to control, regulate and tax those ideas and industries, effectively suppressing their progress. Jon will never understand the concept.

Government also protects its citizens from homicidal corporations and assholes like you who are solely interested in accumulating wealth and willing to harm people and our natural environment to get it.

You filthy fucking pigs.

[GannonFan]

Because of the house democrats ignoring the absolute irrefutable evidence that lower marginal rates increase revenue and productive behavior in the private sector, everybody's taxes will go up come January 1.

It's very refutable. What's irrefutable is that when the top marginal rates were cut in the '20's, the 80's, and the 2000's, a bubble followed. Even Reagan understood this and had to increase taxes to balance the loss in revenue from his tax cuts. Bush I also understood.

Chicago school and supply side = epic fail.

Well, of course classic Keynesian demand side fails equally epic when viewed in similar isolation. Talking about how both work well in compromise with each other doesn't make for good message board declarations, however.

[kalm]

It's very refutable. What's irrefutable is that when the top marginal rates were cut in the '20's, the 80's, and the 2000's, a bubble followed. Even Reagan understood this and had to increase taxes to balance the loss in revenue from his tax cuts. Bush I also understood.

Chicago school and supply side = epic fail.

Well, of course classic Keynesian demand side fails equally epic when viewed in similar isolation. Talking about how both work well in compromise with each other doesn't make for good message board declarations, however.

Agree completely Gannon. And we have rhetorically become a free market economy when in reality we are a mixed economy.

[89Hen]

Bullshit. Exactly how does the government allow anyone to accumulate wealth? It's actually quite the opposite... the government does everything in their power to keep you from accumulating wealth. Your statement only proves libs don't get it.

Tell that to Rand Paul and all his medicare patient created wealth.

RR act
Homestead Act
Public University Research
Natural resource extraction of public lands
Government construction contracts
Defense contracts

There's a whole bunch of smart wealthy people who have used government to accumulate wealth.

What you've described is a market, not the allowance of the government for an individual to accumulate wealth. There is only one way the the government "allows" somebody to accumulate anything... it's called welfare and grants. That's where the government GIVES you something, with NOTHING in return.

[kalm]

Tell that to Rand Paul and all his medicare patient created wealth.

RR act
Homestead Act
Public University Research
Natural resource extraction of public lands
Government construction contracts
Defense contracts

There's a whole bunch of smart wealthy people who have used government to accumulate wealth.

What you've described is a market, not the allowance of the government for an individual to accumulate wealth. There is only one way the the government "allows" somebody to accumulate anything... it's called welfare and grants. That's where the government GIVES you something, with NOTHING in return.

Oh, so you're an anarchist then.

[89Hen]

I thought this is a government of, for, and by the people. Not a people of, for, and by the government. Apparently, you believe the latter.

[89Hen]

What you've described is a market, not the allowance of the government for an individual to accumulate wealth. There is only one way the the government "allows" somebody to accumulate anything... it's called welfare and grants. That's where the government GIVES you something, with NOTHING in return.

Oh, so you're an anarchist then.

Holy shit, are you OK? That was a pretty big leap you just took there. Without proper spotters you could really hurt yourself.

[D1B]

To add to my previous post: It would seem like Princess Pelosi and her defeated minions should pay more attention to the economic numbers like the weak monthly employment report this morning than to the politics of divisiveness. They are hurting all of us with this behavior.

Good riddance and Obama can't get out of office fast enough either. Unfortunately for all of us he has two more years to inflict further damage.

Yep, we need W back! He was great for America.

[kalm]

Oh, so you're an anarchist then.

Holy ****, are you OK? That was a pretty big leap you just took there. Without proper spotters you could really hurt yourself.

A healthy capitalistic market cannot exist outside of government.

[89Hen]

Holy ****, are you OK? That was a pretty big leap you just took there. Without proper spotters you could really hurt yourself.

A healthy capitalistic market cannot exist outside of government.

And I said otherwise where? That's the leap you made.

[kalm]

A healthy capitalistic market cannot exist outside of government.

And I said otherwise where? That's the leap you made.

I'll admit it was a semi sarcastic leap.

[HI54UNI]

It is the Conks that don't get it. Tax Cuts for the wealthy HURT the country. It doesn't create any jobs, and it ties money up, and creates a dangerous wealth imbalance in this country.

Serious question, what is your definition of wealthy?

[blueballs]

To add to my previous post: It would seem like Princess Pelosi and her defeated minions should pay more attention to the economic numbers like the weak monthly employment report this morning than to the politics of divisiveness. They are hurting all of us with this behavior.

Good riddance and Obama can't get out of office fast enough either. Unfortunately for all of us he has two more years to inflict further damage.

Yep, we need W back! He was great for America.

Never said that, but the guy in there now is well on his way to causing more damage than Bush ever could imagine.

[Col Hogan]

It is the Conks that don't get it. Tax Cuts for the wealthy HURT the country. It doesn't create any jobs, and it ties money up, and creates a dangerous wealth imbalance in this country.

Serious question, what is your definition of wealthy?

Apparently the democrats feel a person who makes $249,999.99 is not wealthy...but make one penny more and you are a millionaire...

"We do not support giving tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires," said Reid. " We are disappointed that we couldn't show the American people anything."

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[native]

How many net jobs have the bush tax cuts created?

4.7 million NET new jobs were created under the Bush administation.

[native]

Holy ****, are you OK? That was a pretty big leap you just took there. Without proper spotters you could really hurt yourself.

A healthy capitalistic market cannot exist outside of government.

Your statement is not true for the kind of big, intrusive, overbearing government you are in love with, kalm.

80% or more of the population would be better off with about a third of the government we have now.

[kalm]

A healthy capitalistic market cannot exist outside of government.

Your statement is not true for the kind of big, intrusive, overbearing government you are in love with, kalm.

80% or more of the population would be better off with about a third of the government we have now.

Call bullshit on laissez faire and get labeled a commie. You corporate, neo-feudalistic, fascisti need to change your playbook and quit sniffing Ayn Rand's jock once in a while.

[death dealer]

Serious question, what is your definition of wealthy?

Apparently the democrats feel a person who makes $249,999.99 is not wealthy...but make one penny more and you are a millionaire...

"We do not support giving tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires," said Reid. " We are disappointed that we couldn't show the American people anything."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/03/ ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The problem with that is the definition of income. I have an S corporation. Because of that, much of my expenditures are "passed" through to me in the form of K-1 income that actually never came anywhere near my bank account. It can run up into the six figures pretty easily. That is income, and would go towards my threshold of 250k. That number is way too low, and if the dems get their wish, small businesses like mine are going to feel a lot of pain, and by definition, so will the employees or potential employees of those small businesses. Shit flows downhill.

[houndawg]

Bullshit. Exactly how does the government allow anyone to accumulate wealth? It's actually quite the opposite... the government does everything in their power to keep you from accumulating wealth. Your statement only proves libs don't get it.

Beat me to it.

Wealth emanates from and idea or industry created by private citizens. Govt. attempts to control, regulate and tax those ideas and industries, effectively suppressing their progress. Jon will never understand the concept.

Wealth also emanates from pork-laden defense contracts for stuff the Pentagon doesn't even want.

Our so-called free-market system is a failure and only exists today because the government forced the taxpayers to foot the cost of not letting them join Soviet collectivism on the rubbish heap of history. Same way we foot the cost in blood and money for the oil industry.

[Appaholic]

You were saying...

Exactly who's money is it Jon?

Citizens need to pay for the Government that allows them to accumulate the wealth in the first place.

Most Americans don't mind paying for the government necessary to provide infrastructure & protection that enables this country to accumulate wealth. What they have a problem with is paying for an ever-expanding government that provides very little value-added service to the majority of Americans. They don't like paying for a government that continues to pour money into unnecessary wars abroad while being unwilling to secure their own southern border. If they're not going to perform their basic constitutional responsibilities, then most Americans would just as soon keep the money themselves instead of funneling it through the cheese cloth of regulation.

[89Hen]

Wealth also emanates from pork-laden defense contracts for stuff the Pentagon doesn't even want.

And who's fault is that? The contractors that bid legally for the contracts?

[Appaholic]

Wealth also emanates from pork-laden defense contracts for stuff the Pentagon doesn't even want.

And who's fault is that? The contractors that bid legally for the contracts?

Of course....god forbid we hold the legislators, and by default the voters, accountable...

[houndawg]

And who's fault is that? The contractors that bid legally for the contracts?

Of course....god forbid we hold the legislators, and by default the voters, accountable...

Just noting that so many of these so-called free market capitalists survive on government money just as surely as any other welfare recipient.

[BlueHen86]

Citizens need to pay for the Government that allows them to accumulate the wealth in the first place.

Most Americans don't mind paying for the government necessary to provide infrastructure & protection that enables this country to accumulate wealth. What they have a problem with is paying for an ever-expanding government that provides very little value-added service to the majority of Americans. They don't like paying for a government that continues to pour money into unnecessary wars abroad while being unwilling to secure their own southern border. If they're not going to perform their basic constitutional responsibilities, then most Americans would just as soon keep the money themselves instead of funneling it through the cheese cloth of regulation.