Phx Bishop: Mother should have died, kicks Hospital out

[JoltinJoe]

As a Catholic, I have a real problem with this... those people did the right thing. This was not some abortion on demand - this was a necessary life saving procedure... the kind of thing that used to be a no-brainer until the church decided a decade or two ago that ramming a narrow political agenda down everyone's throat mattered more than adhering to our core values. The sanctity of life is paramount in the Church - the life of an unborn infant is no more valuable than the life of the mother. The hospital made a horribly difficult decision to let one live and the other die, but only because the alternative was the death of both... Guess a "better" Catholic than I is going to have to explain how that violated the Catechism - because from where I sit, they performed a miracle in saving the mothers life.

I respect the bishop's right to instruct, but he really needs to let trained doctors make necessary medical judgments. IN this case the bishop is straying too far into the actual practice of medicine. This doctor acted to save a life, not to terminate a life. Although the death of the fetus was expected, it was not intended.

[D1B]

As a Catholic, I have a real problem with this... those people did the right thing. This was not some abortion on demand - this was a necessary life saving procedure... the kind of thing that used to be a no-brainer until the church decided a decade or two ago that ramming a narrow political agenda down everyone's throat mattered more than adhering to our core values. The sanctity of life is paramount in the Church - the life of an unborn infant is no more valuable than the life of the mother. The hospital made a horribly difficult decision to let one live and the other die, but only because the alternative was the death of both... Guess a "better" Catholic than I is going to have to explain how that violated the Catechism - because from where I sit, they performed a miracle in saving the mothers life.

I respect the bishop's right to instruct, but he really needs to let trained doctors make necessary medical judgments. IN this case the bishop is straying too far into the actual practice of medicine. This doctor acted to save a life, not to terminate a life. Although the death of the fetus was expected, it was not intended.

That bishop is an asshole. Sugarcoat it all you want.

Your god aborts millions of fetuses each year in the form of spontaneous abortions, when the life of the mother is not in question. What an asshole and he sure as hell aint catholic.

[D1B]

If I point out that people anymore are just ignoring your, uh, "contributions" to these threads -- would I be guilty of not ignoring you?

Here's the deal, Joe. (And I think all of the regular posters understand this.)

Agree or disagree, Jon and UNH come here to debate the issues in an intelligent, collegial manner. Period.

D1B, on the other hand, is nothing more than a vitriolic troll who gets his jollies from bullying those who disagree.

Jon and UNH are therefore hightly valued members of the board even when we conservatives don't agree with them. D1B is the perfect example of why some boards have ignore buttons.

Of course, you already knew that, Joe....

Fuck you. Your religion sucks dick and is ruining the world. I'm gonna take a swipe at it every chance I get you pissant military dweeb.

When your stupid ass superstition aint front page news, which it is practically every day, then I'll quit.

[Cap'n Cat]

D1B +1
Jon +1
Joltin -1
SuperHornet - whackjob Jesus fvck.

[SuperHornet]

How does Joe get -1 but I get verbal abuse? How is what I said any worse than what Joe said, especially after I gave props to Jon?

(BTW, what I said about Jon IS true: I do value his presence here. Jon contributes a lot, and it's always in a positive direction. Can't say that about everyone, but it certainly is for Jon.)

[Cap'n Cat]

How does Joe get -1 but I get verbal abuse? How is what I said any worse than what Joe said, especially after I gave props to Jon?

(BTW, what I said about Jon IS true: I do value his presence here. Jon contributes a lot, and it's always in a positive direction. Can't say that about everyone, but it certainly is for Jon.)

Your avatar pisses me off, Jesus Boy.

[SuperHornet]

OK.

[SuperHornet]

Does this work?

I went through several, but it took forever to find one that fit the required dimensions. I'm not very good with cropping programs.

[Cap'n Cat]

Does this work?

I went through several, but it took forever to find one that fit the required dimensions. I'm not very good with cropping programs.

It sucks, too. Half-naked chicks or go home.

[mainejeff]

God came to me last night and told me that I am the chosen one......and the rest of you have to bow down to me and do what I tell you to do! I am right and you are wrong because God told me.......

[Cap'n Cat]

God came to me last night and told me that I am the chosen one......and the rest of you have to bow down to me and do what I tell you to do! I am right and you are wrong because God told me.......

89Hen, JoltinJoe, SuperHorny - get down on your knees and beg forgiveness from Messiah Jeff for worshippin' that false god asshole from Galilee all these centuries!

[andy7171]

Does this work?

I went through several, but it took forever to find one that fit the required dimensions. I'm not very good with cropping programs.

Holy crap, he's found the exact opposite of my avatar!

[Appaholic]

I respect the bishop's right to instruct, but he really needs to let trained doctors make necessary medical judgments. IN this case the bishop is straying too far into the actual practice of medicine. This doctor acted to save a life, not to terminate a life. Although the death of the fetus was expected, it was not intended.

That bishop is an asshole. Sugarcoat it all you want.

Your god aborts millions of fetuses each year in the form of spontaneous abortions, when the life of the mother is not in question. What an asshole and he sure as hell aint catholic.

[Vidav]

God came to me last night and told me that I am the chosen one......and the rest of you have to bow down to me and do what I tell you to do! I am right and you are wrong because God told me.......

[D1B]

That bishop is an asshole. Sugarcoat it all you want.

Your god aborts millions of fetuses each year in the form of spontaneous abortions, when the life of the mother is not in question. What an asshole and he sure as hell aint catholic.

Really? Flawed god who created creatures with defects and a 20% (or more) failure (abortion) rate in the womb, yet commands us that abortion is murder? Pretty fucking stupid god and ever more stupid sheep.