More Nanny State - Thanks Michelle Obama

[OL FU]

Interesting idea but here is the problem. The federal government takes substantially all of the available tax dollars from state residents to the point where states can't raise taxes without harming their citizens and their economies. So since the all powerful federal government takes what it wants and the doles it out to the states, the states have little choice but to take it since they can't raise additional revenues while the feds are taking the bulk.

If the above wasn't true, I would agree with your statement.

Now, if you said cut all that **** out of the federal government and the states can fend for themselves on issues such as school lunches, I would be right there with you. But since that isn't going to happen, the feds need to concern themselves with books and such and not dessert.

I would have no problem with cutting federal subsidies for education. And I don't know how things are in SC, but the Great North State manages to ding me for nearly as big a chunk of money as the feds.

Not even close for me.Taking SS into consideration the feds get damn near 4 times what the state does but the point isn't what they get from me or what they get from you. The point is what they get as a whole and right now they spend somewhere between 25 and 30% of GDP. That doesn't leave much for the states.

[89Hen]

Not even close for me.Taking SS into consideration the feds get damn near 4 times what the state does

Same goes for AA, he just didn't realize it.

[AshevilleApp]

Maybe so. But the fact is if you accept money from another entity, whether it is public or private, there are likely going to be strings attached.

I'm only guessing, but I'm thinking there was no such stipulation when they accepted the money. This is the Fed overstepping it's bounds, plain and simple.

I agree. The federal government shouldn't be subsidizing deserts at all.

[AshevilleApp]

I would have no problem with cutting federal subsidies for education. And I don't know how things are in SC, but the Great North State manages to ding me for nearly as big a chunk of money as the feds.

Not even close for me.Taking SS into consideration the feds get damn near 4 times what the state does but the point isn't what they get from me or what they get from you. The point is what they get as a whole and right now they spend somewhere between 25 and 30% of GDP. That doesn't leave much for the states.

I admit that I didn't factor SS in, but for me it wouldn't equal 4 times that amount.

That aside, you make a good point about the % of GDP. Should we just eliminate the 4.5% of GDP that is non-defense discretionary spending?

[HI54UNI]

The money our school gets from the feds that has these strings attached is specifically for the hot lunch program. The fed program subsidizes the lunch program because we have nearly 50% of our kids meeting the low income guidelines. The feds also pay for a breakfast program at our school to make sure these low income kids get breakfast everyday. So if we tell the feds to shove it we lose the money to help these low income kids.

Personally I wish the feds would get out of education completely. Leave it to the states or local governments.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

The money our school gets from the feds that has these strings attached is specifically for the hot lunch program. The fed program subsidizes the lunch program because we have nearly 50% of our kids meeting the low income guidelines. The feds also pay for a breakfast program at our school to make sure these low income kids get breakfast everyday. So if we tell the feds to shove it we lose the money to help these low income kids.

Personally I wish the feds would get out of education completely. Leave it to the states or local governments.

see? you have the right to refuse the federal money and be all independent and whatnot...

so - nut up and do it... the feds aren't forcing anyone to take the money... there are no guns to heads...

imagine that, money comes with strings attached...

[Grizalltheway]

More recently a college here in North Carolina accepted a large contribution from a donor on the condition that incoming Freshmen read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand.

Great another generation of assholes.

If I hit the lottery I'm gonna donate to that same school and make 'em read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance".

Have them read Ishmael instead.

[bandl]

Great another generation of assholes.

If I hit the lottery I'm gonna donate to that same school and make 'em read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance".

Have them read Ishmael instead.

Prequel to Moby Dick?

[Grizalltheway]

No.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Great another generation of assholes.

If I hit the lottery I'm gonna donate to that same school and make 'em read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance".

Have them read Ishmael instead.

that book FUCKED UP most of the kids in my senior year english class in HS... they had it coming... but seriously... wow

and I agree with "zen" damn good book to give a young person.

[bandl]

No.

Boo.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

More recently a college here in North Carolina accepted a large contribution from a donor on the condition that incoming Freshmen read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand.

Great another generation of assholes.

If I hit the lottery I'm gonna donate to that same school and make 'em read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance".

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

[Grizalltheway]

Great another generation of assholes.

If I hit the lottery I'm gonna donate to that same school and make 'em read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance".

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

Glad I chose LOTR when I was 14 (13?).

[Grizalltheway]

Have them read Ishmael instead.

that book FUCKED UP most of the kids in my senior year english class in HS... they had it coming... but seriously... wow

and I agree with "zen" damn good book to give a young person.

Fucked up? In what way?

[TwinTownBisonFan]

that book FUCKED UP most of the kids in my senior year english class in HS... they had it coming... but seriously... wow

and I agree with "zen" damn good book to give a young person.

Fucked up? In what way?

I grew up in a redneck-ass suburb/exurb man... most of the kids I went to HS with never had anything in their lives challenged - they accepted their parents version of how the world was and that was that... then all the sudden they've got this book and this english teacher doing all of that.

we had about 1/3 go down the freshman in college experience path (it opened pandora's box on all sorts of shit for them) about 1/3 flat rejected everything and went in to their shell (not surprisingly almost ALL of them still live within 5 miles of where we grew up and haven't changed a bit in 10 years) and about 1/3 literally, i shit you not... told their parents about the book and brought down their wrath on the teacher for teaching their kids "dangerous" things.

[travelinman67]

Great another generation of assholes.

If I hit the lottery I'm gonna donate to that same school and make 'em read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance".

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

Feeling threatened by industry, TTBF?

[OL FU]

Not even close for me.Taking SS into consideration the feds get damn near 4 times what the state does but the point isn't what they get from me or what they get from you. The point is what they get as a whole and right now they spend somewhere between 25 and 30% of GDP. That doesn't leave much for the states.

I admit that I didn't factor SS in, but for me it wouldn't equal 4 times that amount.

That aside, you make a good point about the % of GDP. Should we just eliminate the 4.5% of GDP that is non-defense discretionary spending?

The discussion wasn't about eliminating anything but we can have that discussion if you want. The discussion was about why the states don't say no to the feds and I am not going to re-invent all of those posts. Simply, the Fed takes the vast majority of resources available for taxation and doles out portions to the states telling them how to behave. The states can either say "fuck you" we don't want it and lose any competitive value the money gives them because they can't take more from their citizens or say "Thank you sir may I have another" which is exactly what the states do.

[kalm]

Great another generation of assholes.

If I hit the lottery I'm gonna donate to that same school and make 'em read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance".

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

[Grizalltheway]

Fucked up? In what way?

I grew up in a redneck-ass suburb/exurb man... most of the kids I went to HS with never had anything in their lives challenged - they accepted their parents version of how the world was and that was that... then all the sudden they've got this book and this english teacher doing all of that.

we had about 1/3 go down the freshman in college experience path (it opened pandora's box on all sorts of shit for them) about 1/3 flat rejected everything and went in to their shell (not surprisingly almost ALL of them still live within 5 miles of where we grew up and haven't changed a bit in 10 years) and about 1/3 literally, i shit you not... told their parents about the book and brought down their wrath on the teacher for teaching their kids "dangerous" things.

Wow. Pretty sad how closed-minded a lot of people are.

[HI54UNI]

The money our school gets from the feds that has these strings attached is specifically for the hot lunch program. The fed program subsidizes the lunch program because we have nearly 50% of our kids meeting the low income guidelines. The feds also pay for a breakfast program at our school to make sure these low income kids get breakfast everyday. So if we tell the feds to shove it we lose the money to help these low income kids.

Personally I wish the feds would get out of education completely. Leave it to the states or local governments.

see? you have the right to refuse the federal money and be all independent and whatnot...

so - nut up and do it... the feds aren't forcing anyone to take the money... there are no guns to heads...

imagine that, money comes with strings attached...

If only it were that simple. If the feds would pass a law saying no fed money and no fed rules our school board would vote for it in a heartbeat. The rules cost us a lot more than the money they give us. Complying with NCLB for example.

I would also do this personally. I won't pay into SS and I won't ever take a check from SS either.

[bandl]

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

I was wondering why my bowels have been so out of control today...

[Appaholic]

The money our school gets from the feds that has these strings attached is specifically for the hot lunch program. The fed program subsidizes the lunch program because we have nearly 50% of our kids meeting the low income guidelines. The feds also pay for a breakfast program at our school to make sure these low income kids get breakfast everyday. So if we tell the feds to shove it we lose the money to help these low income kids.

Personally I wish the feds would get out of education completely. Leave it to the states or local governments.

see? you have the right to refuse the federal money and be all independent and whatnot...

so - nut up and do it... the feds aren't forcing anyone to take the money... there are no guns to heads...

imagine that, money comes with strings attached...

Ummm....actually, there is gun to the head. Let's take this a step further. I'll refuse the money & be all independent and whatnot....but I'll also refuse to pay into the system since I'm not using it...will the feds go for that scenario? No. They'll take my possessions eventually. So yes, money comes with strings attached except if the government wants more money...you shut up, nut up, and pay it -- no questions asked....

[TwinTownBisonFan]

see? you have the right to refuse the federal money and be all independent and whatnot...

so - nut up and do it... the feds aren't forcing anyone to take the money... there are no guns to heads...

imagine that, money comes with strings attached...

Ummm....actually, there is gun to the head. Let's take this a step further. I'll refuse the money & be all independent and whatnot....but I'll also refuse to pay into the system since I'm not using it...will the feds go for that scenario? No. They'll take my possessions eventually. So yes, money comes with strings attached except if the government wants more money...you shut up, nut up, and pay it -- no questions asked....

I'm not talking about your income taxes... I'm talking about school districts and nutrition money - same thing with state DOT's and federal highway dollars... it's there for the taking - but it comes with strings...

[TwinTownBisonFan]

see? you have the right to refuse the federal money and be all independent and whatnot...

so - nut up and do it... the feds aren't forcing anyone to take the money... there are no guns to heads...

imagine that, money comes with strings attached...

If only it were that simple. If the feds would pass a law saying no fed money and no fed rules our school board would vote for it in a heartbeat. The rules cost us a lot more than the money they give us. Complying with NCLB for example.

I would also do this personally. I won't pay into SS and I won't ever take a check from SS either.

I agree on NCLB it's a complete shitshow... mostly just one big unfunded mandate - a waste of time, money and effort.

[Appaholic]

Ummm....actually, there is gun to the head. Let's take this a step further. I'll refuse the money & be all independent and whatnot....but I'll also refuse to pay into the system since I'm not using it...will the feds go for that scenario? No. They'll take my possessions eventually. So yes, money comes with strings attached except if the government wants more money...you shut up, nut up, and pay it -- no questions asked....

I'm not talking about your income taxes... I'm talking about school districts and nutrition money - same thing with state DOT's and federal highway dollars... it's there for the taking - but it comes with strings...

Where do you think Fed funds come from? As a taxpayer, do I get to look at a breakdown of how my income tax dollars are used and decide which funds I don't agree with and then deduct from my witholding? It comes as no shock that as a dem operative, you don't see the connection between income taxes & federal funding..