skellbama's war...going oh so well

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

As did a lot of the contemporaries from the liberal side. They don't seem to still feel the way you do though. That's where I was going with it. If you don't see it my way then that's cool but I see you as a man of integrity on the matter. I ain't gonna argue with ya though. You know you better than I do.

Which ones? I haven't heard much support for Libya from the lefties here.


Implement the Houndawg doctrine now:

1) Kill Osama bin Laden
2) Declare victory
3) Go home
4) Unass half of our military bases abroad

HD doctrine has my full support. The two that were somewhat outspoken from what I remember are GATW, & Skelly but as I said...it was all cursory review on my part last week.

[Grizalltheway]

From my point of view, when you've got a known psychopath threatening to murder the population of entire cities in their homes...you've gotta do something(see Rwanda for the consequences of doing nothing). Yes, I realize Saddam wasn't exactly a benevolent father to the people of Iraq, but as far as I know, the no-fly zone we had imposed there largely put a stop to his butchering of the Kurds.

Military force should always be a last resort, and I feel Obama and co. held off on intervening until it became clear that it would turn into a bloodbath if they didn't.

There's a known psychopath in Ivory Coast who's already killed 1500 people because he didn't get "reelected". Yet we stand by and do nothing. How many civilians does one have to kill before we take action?

The fact that we can't do it everywhere doesn't justify not doing it anywhere. Again, see Rwanda.

[AZGrizFan]

There's a known psychopath in Ivory Coast who's already killed 1500 people because he didn't get "reelected". Yet we stand by and do nothing. How many civilians does one have to kill before we take action?

The fact that we can't do it everywhere doesn't justify not doing it anywhere. Again, see Rwanda.

BullSHIT, and you know it. If there was oil in dem dare hills, we'd be in like Flynn in Ivory Coast.

We won't go help a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT take over what it rightfully was awarded, but we'll arm/assist a shadow group of terrorists who more than likely will be burning US flags and serving as a haven for terrorism if they're fortunate enough to oust Quadaffi with our help.

Makes perfect sense to me.

[houndawg]

Jelly will tell you that Afghanistan was the right war.

It was the right war right up to the moment the President said that he really didn't think about bin Laden very much. About two weeks after he said "Dead or Alive".

[Skjellyfetti]

Seriously. I'd like t hear the argument how Afghanistan WASN'T the right war.

I've never said it was carried out very well. But, does anyone on this board think we should have left Afghanistan alone after 9/11?

[Grizalltheway]

The fact that we can't do it everywhere doesn't justify not doing it anywhere. Again, see Rwanda.

BullSHIT, and you know it. If there was oil in dem dare hills, we'd be in like Flynn in Ivory Coast.

We won't go help a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT take over what it rightfully was awarded, but we'll arm/assist a shadow group of terrorists who more than likely will be burning US flags and serving as a haven for terrorism if they're fortunate enough to oust Quadaffi with our help.

Makes perfect sense to me.

I won't argue with the fact that oil is a huge factor in our foreign policy. Too bad your hero Regan reversed the attempts Carter made in trying to steer us away from it.

[AZGrizFan]

BullSHIT, and you know it. If there was oil in dem dare hills, we'd be in like Flynn in Ivory Coast.

We won't go help a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT take over what it rightfully was awarded, but we'll arm/assist a shadow group of terrorists who more than likely will be burning US flags and serving as a haven for terrorism if they're fortunate enough to oust Quadaffi with our help.

Makes perfect sense to me.

I won't argue with the fact that oil is a huge factor in our foreign policy. Too bad your hero Regan reversed the attempts Carter made in trying to steer us away from it.

And every president since has had a chance to reverse THAT and has chosen not to. Wonder why?

That's a HUGE red herring, and you know it. Fact remains, we DO pick and choose, and it's not EVER because it's the "right thing to do" from a moral standpoint. It's only when it's the "right thing to do" from a political standpoint.

[Grizalltheway]

I won't argue with the fact that oil is a huge factor in our foreign policy. Too bad your hero Regan reversed the attempts Carter made in trying to steer us away from it.

And every president since has had a chance to reverse THAT and has chosen not to. Wonder why?

That's a HUGE red herring, and you know it. Fact remains, we DO pick and choose, and it's not EVER because it's the "right thing to do" from a moral standpoint. It's only when it's the "right thing to do" from a political standpoint.

Angola provides a much greater percentage of our oil imports, why didn't we intervene in their civil war if it's entirely about oil?

[AZGrizFan]

And every president since has had a chance to reverse THAT and has chosen not to. Wonder why?

That's a HUGE red herring, and you know it. Fact remains, we DO pick and choose, and it's not EVER because it's the "right thing to do" from a moral standpoint. It's only when it's the "right thing to do" from a political standpoint.

Angola provides a much greater percentage of our oil imports, why didn't we intervene in their civil war if it's entirely about oil?

We get 3.3% of our oil from Angola. 22% of Italy's oil, 16% of France's oil and 13% of Spain's oil comes from Libya. 85% of Libya's oil goes to Europe.

We're fighting a proxy war for the gutless wonders across the pond. They launch a couple token tomahawks and call it a "coalition".

[citdog]

Angola provides a much greater percentage of our oil imports, why didn't we intervene in their civil war if it's entirely about oil?

We get 3.3% of our oil from Angola. 22% of Italy's oil, 16% of France's oil and 13% of Spain's oil comes from Libya. 85% of Libya's oil goes to Europe.

We're fighting a proxy war for the gutless wonders across the pond. They launch a couple token tomahawks and call it a "coalition".

The above is the opinion of the South.

[Grizalltheway]

Angola provides a much greater percentage of our oil imports, why didn't we intervene in their civil war if it's entirely about oil?

We get 3.3% of our oil from Angola. 22% of Italy's oil, 16% of France's oil and 13% of Spain's oil comes from Libya. 85% of Libya's oil goes to Europe.

We're fighting a proxy war for the gutless wonders across the pond. They launch a couple token tomahawks and call it a "coalition".

We're not fighting a war, we're enforcing a no-fly zone. Conks here have conveniently glossed over that fact since this thing started.

[CitadelGrad]

Sherman?

No. Quantrill.

Quantrill formed his raiders only after years of unprovoked attacks from those Kansas pieces of shit. Jayhawker motherfuckers.

[CID1990]

We get 3.3% of our oil from Angola. 22% of Italy's oil, 16% of France's oil and 13% of Spain's oil comes from Libya. 85% of Libya's oil goes to Europe.

We're fighting a proxy war for the gutless wonders across the pond. They launch a couple token tomahawks and call it a "coalition".

We're not fighting a war, we're enforcing a no-fly zone. Conks here have conveniently glossed over that fact since this thing started.

You're even more on an idiot apologist than KY, and you completely ignored my comment repoy to this very same assertion on another thread. You're just another broken record.

What exactly do you think firing missles and dropping bombs is? An act of peace?

Shall I quote the SecDef for you? "Let's be clear.. any no fly zone begins with an attack on Libya."

We are destroying all kinds of military hardware over there, and we're killing Libyan soldiers. OUTSIDE the contraints of the WPA, I might add.

[AZGrizFan]

We get 3.3% of our oil from Angola. 22% of Italy's oil, 16% of France's oil and 13% of Spain's oil comes from Libya. 85% of Libya's oil goes to Europe.

We're fighting a proxy war for the gutless wonders across the pond. They launch a couple token tomahawks and call it a "coalition".

We're not fighting a war, we're enforcing a no-fly zone. Conks here have conveniently glossed over that fact since this thing started.

And donks conveniently gloss over the fact that that's how our involvement in Bosnia, Iraq, etc., started....

[Grizalltheway]

We're not fighting a war, we're enforcing a no-fly zone. Conks here have conveniently glossed over that fact since this thing started.

You're even more on an idiot apologist than KY, and you completely ignored my comment repoy to this very same assertion on another thread. You're just another broken record.

What exactly do you think firing missles and dropping bombs is? An act of peace?

Shall I quote the SecDef for you? "Let's be clear.. any no fly zone begins with an attack on Libya."

We are destroying all kinds of military hardware over there, and we're killing Libyan soldiers. OUTSIDE the contraints of the WPA, I might add.

Yes, I understand that's it's a military action. I'm pointing out the fact that it doesn't have the same consequences as invading like we did in Iraq. Did you ever think that I may have ignored you because your point was completely irrelevant?

[houndawg]

We get 3.3% of our oil from Angola. 22% of Italy's oil, 16% of France's oil and 13% of Spain's oil comes from Libya. 85% of Libya's oil goes to Europe.

We're fighting a proxy war for the gutless wonders across the pond. They launch a couple token tomahawks and call it a "coalition".

We're not fighting a war, we're enforcing a no-fly zone. Conks here have conveniently glossed over that fact since this thing started.

It became a war when the president said Qaddafi must go. If he has to have this war then go to Congress and declare war.

[Chizzang]

I stopped defending Obama after his first HUGE lie...
"I will govern from the middle"

Yeesh what a fucking con-man
He turned out to be pretty much exactly like George Bush Lite except he speaks English instead of gibberish but other than that they are the same guy with a different hairdo and a different cabinet

I just chalk it up to me desperately wanting to believe (I was willfully blind)

[houndawg]

I stopped defending Obama after his first HUGE lie...
"I will govern from the middle"

Yeesh what a **** con-man
He turned out to be pretty much exactly like George Bush Lite except he speaks English instead of gibberish but other than that they are the same guy with a different hairdo and a different cabinet

I just chalk it up to me desperately wanting to believe (I was willfully blind)

Desperately wanting to believe and figuring anything was better than the last miserable failure that held the office.

[Grizalltheway]

I stopped defending Obama after his first HUGE lie...
"I will govern from the middle"

Yeesh what a **** con-man
He turned out to be pretty much exactly like George Bush Lite except he speaks English instead of gibberish but other than that they are the same guy with a different hairdo and a different cabinet

I just chalk it up to me desperately wanting to believe (I was willfully blind)

Desperately wanting to believe and figuring anything was better than the last miserable failure that held the office.

Funny, many here consider Obama a miserable failure, and firmly believe he has no shot at reelection. How quickly they forget 2004.

[Grizalltheway]

We're not fighting a war, we're enforcing a no-fly zone. Conks here have conveniently glossed over that fact since this thing started.

It became a war when the president said Qaddafi must go. If he has to have this war then go to Congress and declare war.

Fair enough, but do you believe that Obama would go to the same lengths to get rid of him as Bush did in Iraq?

[houndawg]

It became a war when the president said Qaddafi must go. If he has to have this war then go to Congress and declare war.

Fair enough, but do you believe that Obama would go to the same lengths to get rid of him as Bush did in Iraq?

I think he'd be more likely to go to the same lengths to get rid of him as Bush did in Afghanistan.

[Bronco]

With the new Rules of Engagement it's time to get out of all the wars. Fighting a politically correct war means we'll have more US soldiers killed.


60% of U.S. Military Deaths in Afghanistan Have Occurred Since Obama Was Inaugurated in 2009
CNS Newa ^ | 4/4/11 | Edwin Mora

(CNSNews.com) – At least 858 U.S. soldiers have died in the Afghanistan war since President Barack Obama took office in January 2009. That equals 60.13 percent of the 1,427 American soldier fatalities so far in the ongoing 10-year war in that country.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.cloud.clearpathhosting.com ...

[houndawg]

With the new Rules of Engagement it's time to get out of all the wars. Fighting a politically correct war means we'll have more US soldiers killed.


60% of U.S. Military Deaths in Afghanistan Have Occurred Since Obama Was Inaugurated in 2009
CNS Newa ^ | 4/4/11 | Edwin Mora

(CNSNews.com) – At least 858 U.S. soldiers have died in the Afghanistan war since President Barack Obama took office in January 2009. That equals 60.13 percent of the 1,427 American soldier fatalities so far in the ongoing 10-year war in that country.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.cloud.clearpathhosting.com ...

Tell us about the new Rules of Engagement, Bronco. What is different about them?

[YoUDeeMan]

Cluck U your war tune has changed a bit it seems
I'm glad you finally see it my way - these wars are quite simply and very obviously bullsh!t - I'm glad you've come around
and I don't care if it's Obama or Bush - they're both wrong

For a Harvard grad...I mean, former student...you sure can't comprehend what you read.

My tune hasn't changed at all. From the beginning, I said that if we went into Affy, we should have just gone in and killled anything and anyone associated with the fvck jobs who attacked us. That means killing the actual AQ fighters and their supporters, Taliban or not. No sense in playing fair...just make it very clear that we will hurt you more than anyone can if you attack us or support those who attack us. Getting into a prolonged war with troops on the ground is not what I ever supported. Cripes, even Ralph thought I was a loving lib when I was whacking bush for the ground war. But, if we are in there - thanks to some stupid leadership, then support the soldiers so that they don't die for nothing.

But, I would not be in there.

We have enough technology to put bullseyes in urinals that would launch cruise missles at targets in our favorite terrorist countries. People would pay a lot to piss on a wall to launch a missle and then the next guy would have to keep peeing on the bullseye to track the missle and see where their missle landed. The pee lines would line up around the block. Close up satellite pics of dead AQ trainees at camps hit by your missle would be $100 extra. A personal letter of thanks from the President or Secretary of State would also sell well.

The war would be paid for by those wanting to take part in the shooting (yup, I'd pay for a few shots) and the pacifists could start their own "pee for education" funding. Everyone wins.

As far as Iraq goes, sure I was for going in and eliminating any WMDs. But get in and get out. And, while you are looking for the WMDs, kill anything that shoots at you. Leave a message that says, "Hey, you are welcome...glad we could remove a whack job despot that suppressed you and whom we thought had WMDs. Sorry about the WMD error, but enjoy your new found freedom. Live in peace or kill each other...we don't care. But, if you ever decide to allow or support some terrorists that we consider bad guys, we'll come back and bomb your cities into rubble, stuff sausages down the throats of your dead bodies, and rape your women. Have a nice day."

But Libya? Hey, we should have killed Q-boy a long time ago. But, he decided that he wanted to live so he stopped screwing with us. So why remove him now? Obama's ego.

Let the Libyans kill each other...and the Frogs can go pound sand. If the Euros want a war or a ridiculous "no fly zone", let them handle it.

[YoUDeeMan]

The Cuckmeister's new found pacifism is something to behold. Must have been near a lightning strike and the field effect restarted a synapse or two....

Pacifism? Nope.

Killing bad guys is good...but I'd choose my targets a bit differently than the clowns in charge.